Injury Report: The Eddy Punch Clock Memorial Infirmary Thread | 2024-2025 Edition

[Lat]

think the obvious short term "solution" is to put brannstrom on the right next to Hughes, and then incorporate Forbort and Desharnais.

I think I'd actually prefer Friedman over Forbort. Has he been tried being paired with Quinn Hughes yet?

Hughes-Friedman
Soucy-Myers
Brannstrom-Desharnais

might be passable for an interim solution

 

[Peen]

I think I'd actually prefer Friedman over Forbort. Has he been tried being paired with Quinn Hughes yet?

Hughes-Friedman
Soucy-Myers
Brannstrom-Desharnais

might be passable for an interim solution

I don't think this is any worse or better than Forbort instead, but there's just no world where Tocchet goes for that. He wants the big crease clearers, even at the expense of puck movement.

 

[Ernie]

Are Forbort or Desharnais even travelling with the team right now?

 

[quat]

D-Petey is going to land on the team and excel.

 

[orcatown]

Hope it's not the same shoulder he had the problem with. Given Canuck luck it probably is.

 

[Hodgy]

I'm willing to excuse management for a lot of the bad luck that has happened this season, but I certainly won't excuse them on Hronek's injury. This management absolutely rolled the dice going into the year with basically only two clear top four defensemen, and now its biting them in the ass. Not only that, but they made that gamble with an unhealth Demko and Silovs as their starter.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I'm willing to excuse management for a lot of the bad luck that has happened this season, but I certainly won't excuse them on Hronek's injury. This management absolutely rolled the dice going into the year with basically only two clear top four defensemen, and now its biting them in the ass. Not only that, but they made that gamble with an unhealth Demko and Silovs as their starter.

I mean Hronek’s injury wasn’t a result of wear and tear. It’s more of a freak accident on a rather small hit in which he lost his balance and slammed shoulder first into the boards.

I agree in general that management shit the bed with their free agent decisions on the back end.

 

[Hodgy]

I mean Hronek’s injury wasn’t a result of wear and tear. It’s more of a freak accident on a rather small hit in which he lost his balance and slammed shoulder first into the boards.

I agree in general that management shit the bed with their free agent decisions on the back end.

My point isn't that the injury itself is bad luck, my point is that its bad management if one of your assumptions for success for your defense is that neither of your top two defensemen will be injured for any significant period of time.

Good management is all about contingency plans in the event that assumptions don't go as planned, and obviously, and especially in a cap world, you are only going to have so many contingencies. And I get that. But if you've got like a bottom five defense in the NHL if just one of your assumptions don't go as planned, then you've done a poor job managing the team.

But anyway, we also need to let things play out. While the defense looks dire at this point, its too early to write them off. And who knows, maybe one of their acquisitions will step up and exceed expectations?

 

[Vector]

Are Forbort or Desharnais even travelling with the team right now?

They both are, yes.

 

[Vector]

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm willing to excuse management for a lot of the bad luck that has happened this season, but I certainly won't excuse them on Hronek's injury. This management absolutely rolled the dice going into the year with basically only two clear top four defensemen, and now its biting them in the ass. Not only that, but they made that gamble with an unhealth Demko and Silovs as their starter.

Yeah a good management team would have another top 2 defenceman just for injury insurance, and hey maybe another one also in case that guy gets hurt too. Doesn't seem to be any management groups up to your standards in the nhl these days i guess eh? The 70's Canadians had 4 top 2 d-men: therefore it must be possible.

This management team didn't sign Lankinen? I imagined the whole thing? Holy Shit, I need some different drugs or something. I been having these incredible hallucinations of a starting goalie called Lankinen. Freaky...

 

[thefeebster]

There aren't many criticisms of this mgmt team, but the construction of this defense absolutely is a valid one. A blind man could see this would be our weakness going into the season, and its only been exacerbated with severe regressions of certain defenders and now this injury. How mgmt allocated their money on defense at free agency is looking to be an error.

Gillis once said you need at least 8 NHL calibre defenseman. I don't think we even have that when we are all healthy. We have one top pair and a bunch of bottom pair defenders, some playing at an AHL level. We are not one top 4 defender away, we need at least two.

 

[pitseleh]

Not to excuse management, but they’ve beaten the “with better structure will come better results” drum for a while. From last year they seemed to take away that the team’s success was tied more to structure and getting Tocchet and Foote the type of defenders they like, than to getting better defenders. I don’t they were the only ones based on the comments here and elsewhere over the summer. Unfortunately they’ve been proven wrong.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

There aren't many criticisms of this mgmt team, but the construction of this defense absolutely is a valid one. A blind man could see this would be our weakness going into the season, and its only been exacerbated with severe regressions of certain defenders and now this injury. How mgmt allocated their money on defense at free agency is looking to be an error.

Gillis once said you need at least 8 NHL calibre defenseman. I don't think we even have that when we are all healthy. We have one top pair and a bunch of bottom pair defenders, some playing at an AHL level. We are not one top 4 defender away, we need at least two.

I have said it several times. This isn't even supposed to be our year. This is a gap year where we try to make the playoffs while waiting for Willander and Lekkermaki to be contributors.

We have Hronek (when healthy) and Myers who, selective memory aside, entered the season having had a solid season last year and signed for less than he could have gotten last year.

RD2 is being reserved for Willander long term, so signing a Roy or a Walker was never part of the equation. We just have to ride it out.

Now, we are indeed missing an LD who can be interchanged with Soucy for pairings two and three.

But those acting like this happened because Allvin had no plan just don't understand the long term thinking required. You can't put like 15 million into your RD and then bring in a guy like Willander who we hope will be worth 6-8 million one day himself.

 

[arttk]

Anyone have any idea how long it takes to recover from a separated shoulder?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

There aren't many criticisms of this mgmt team, but the construction of this defense absolutely is a valid one. A blind man could see this would be our weakness going into the season, and its only been exacerbated with severe regressions of certain defenders and now this injury. How mgmt allocated their money on defense at free agency is looking to be an error.

Gillis once said you need at least 8 NHL calibre defenseman. I don't think we even have that when we are all healthy. We have one top pair and a bunch of bottom pair defenders, some playing at an AHL level. We are not one top 4 defender away, we need at least two.

On the one hand, management definitely took a huge risk going into the season with the D core we have, and that 1 injury basically sink our team. Especially risky when we don't have a timeline for Demko's return.

On the other hand, how many top 4 D changed teams that we missed out on? A quick glance at the UFAs, looks like Roy, Walker, maybe Zadorov, Kulikov, Pesce, Montour, Tanev, maybe OEL? Some of them probably wouldn't sign here (Roy, Kulikov, Pesce), some of them you want nothing to do with their contracts (Montour, Zadorov, Tanev), I'm sure nobody wants OEL back. So really, its only maybe Walker? The rest of the UFAs are depth guys that won't move the needle. I don't remember any top 4 D being traded over the summer either, even though Kovacevic played a little bit of that in NJ to start the year when they had lots of injuries.

I think maybe management could've been more proactive in acquiring a top 4 D, but that is easier said than done. You don't want to locked into a horrific UFA contract out of desperation, but everybody is looking for top 4 D and nobody are trading one unless you vastly overpay. It was a tough situation for Allvin, I can kind of understand why he was banking on the Soucy-Myers pairing to be as good as last season. It blew up in his face completely, yes, but I can understand his reasoning behind it.

 

[Hodgy]

Yeah a good management team would have another top 2 defenceman just for injury insurance, and hey maybe another one also in case that guy gets hurt too. Doesn't seem to be any management groups up to your standards in the nhl these days i guess eh? The 70's Canadians had 4 top 2 d-men: therefore it must be possible.

You are missing my point, and being very rude too! The point isn't that they should have gone into the year with 3 or 4 top two defensemen, the point is that they needed more and better quality defensive depth so that in the event one of their top two defensemen got injured for a significant period of time that they wouldn't all of a sudden have a bottom five defense in the NHL which isn't acceptable for a team with Stanley Cup aspirations.

This management team didn't sign Lankinen? I imagined the whole thing? Holy Shit, I need some different drugs or something. I been having these incredible hallucinations of a starting goalie called Lankinen. Freaky...

They signed Lankinen after they had already rolled the dice on going into the season with their defense corps and Silovs as their starter. I give them credit for signing Lankinen, but let's not pretend like the signing of Lankinen was a factor in their decision to enter the season with such thin defensive depth. Moreover, they've got Brannstrom as well who is playing meaningful minutes and was a throw in to the Poolman dump and who this management team waived.

I have said it several times. This isn't even supposed to be our year. This is a gap year where we try to make the playoffs while waiting for Willander and Lekkermaki to be contributors.

I don't think this is true. The OEL buyout doubles next year and the Canucks have to re-sign Boeser an Suter for more money. While Willander and Lekkermaki will hopefully provide some value next year, I am not sure the Canucks will be any better from a performance or cap perspective than they are this year. Plus, Miller and Myers will only be getting older and their performances may decline further.

We have Hronek (when healthy) and Myers who, selective memory aside, entered the season having had a solid season last year and signed for less than he could have gotten last year.

RD2 is being reserved for Willander long term, so signing a Roy or a Walker was never part of the equation. We just have to ride it out.

Now, we are indeed missing an LD who can be interchanged with Soucy for pairings two and three.

But those acting like this happened because Allvin had no plan just don't understand the long term thinking required. You can't put like 15 million into your RD and then bring in a guy like Willander who we hope will be worth 6-8 million one day himself.

No one is saying they necessarily needed to spend big money on another top four right handed defensemen. People are suggesting that the Canucks needed more quality defensemen so that they could absorb an injury of this type.

 

[Ernie]

Management was definitely getting high on their own supply by thinking that Soucy-Myers were a shutdown pair and Forbort-Desharnais were adequate bottom pairing defencemen based solely on the defensive structure.

The frustrating thing is that Friedman played quality minutes last season, and yet Juulsen is the one still with the team. Based on the pieces the Canucks have right now it's hard to see how they patch together a defence capable of getting them into the playoffs.

 

[supercanuck]

Still no news on Hronek is a bit concerning.

 

[Vector]

Rick Dhaliwal on what's going on with Filip Hronek:

• Canucks are seeking multiple opinions; 3-4
• Time frames with and without surgery are different
• If he has surgery he will be out for a while
• Will have to wait and see how long he will be out
• No one seems to know if it’s the same shoulder he hurt with the Red Wings

 

[DFAC]

Still no news on Hronek is a bit concerning.

Didn't look good at all - my gut is telling me he's going to be out long term (eg 3-4 months)

 

[Vector]

 

[supercanuck]

Rick Dhaliwal on what's going on with Filip Hronek:

• Canucks are seeking multiple opinions; 3-4
• Time frames with and without surgery are different
• If he has surgery he will be out for a while
• Will have to wait and see how long he will be out
• No one seems to know if it’s the same shoulder he hurt with the Red Wings

If he does decide to play, I just hope he won't be at like 70% and struggle through the season until off season surgery. Let's not make that mistake again.