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[Smitty93]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

Currently going through something a bit similar to this, but I think it depends on your goals and where you are in your career. I'm closer to the start of my career than the end of it, so growth opportunities matter to me and if I think more are available at the new place, that's going to impact my decision.

In terms of looking at it by %:

Less than 15%: No chance I'm leaving
15-25%: There has to be something really great about the company (talking dream role/company)
25%-50%: I'd want to make sure I had a good grasp of the role and what exactly I'd be doing. This is the point where I'd start being willing to take a gamble on it
50%+: It's been nice knowing you guys, thanks for all the great years we had

But, honestly, if the difference in salary isn't going to make a meaningful impact to your life (earlier retirement, more comfortable lifestyle, etc.) then it's not going to be worth it.

 

[Alicat]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

I had no intentions of leaving the company I was at even though we were re-organizing all the time and I managed to survive a pretty big cut in my department. I finally started looking for a new role when the sale of the division I supported was pushed out a few more months. I also saw how underpaid I was and the volatility and waiting for the shoe to drop was eating at me. It had nothing to do with the work or my colleagues.

I worked for a year at a different company until my current role became available. I was willing to take a pay cut to work where I do but thankfully I got even more money than I asked for.

My biggest takeaway is that it would have to essentially be my dream job or the loss of remote work that would make me consider leaving.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

I started in IT 6 years ago and have had 5 different employers since then.

Stayed with each one about a year and then was headhunted by another company usually on Linkedin.

Ive enjoyed every place I've been at but at the end of the day money talks and I listen. Each headhunter I gave them a specific # it would take to convince me to do an interview (usually minimum 20% raise) and then I would go from there. Always gave my current employer a chance to match and sometimes they tried to come close or offer things other things to close the gap but I ended up moving on.

The place I'm currently at I really enjoy but if someone came along and offered another 20% I'd leave with no hesitation. For 4 of the 6 years I've been fully remote so that definitely plays a part I'm sure.

I sometimes take interviews just to see what's out there and to stay comfortable going through that process.

 

[McGarnagle]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

My coworkers are cool, I have no issues with them, culture here is fine but they're not my best friends and I've seen people cone and go and life goes on, so I don't have loyalty in that sense to them. But for me staying is more about the momentum I've built up and growth potential than anything. I have a pretty good relationship with my manager and am in good standing there and am valued for just knowing the ins and outs of our system and whatever, so I feel like as of now I have more value here than I do on the market as an unknown with a resume that may not display that at face value. I'm working in a field completely unrelated to my education so I'm not sure how it looks on a CV or resume.

I would like more money though. I want to get a certification in my field so I have more value. But I'll probably have to stay at least another year to work up to that and build the resume. But as of now I'd only leave for a dream job (like if an NHL or MLB team or university wanted to hire me).

 

[Gee Wally]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

in my career it ultimately came down with happiness and family.
I left a very lucrative position due to far too much travel and missing things when my kids were small.
We made due with large decrease but my happiness increased by leaps and bounds.
I only regret I didn’t do it sooner.

 

[RoccoF14]

in my career it ultimately came down with happiness and family.
I left a very lucrative position due to far too much travel and missing things when my kids were small.
We made due with large decrease but my happiness increased by leaps and bounds.
I only regret I didn’t do it sooner.

Same here, Wally. That's why I ultimately got out of the Navy. I LOVED my job and got to do some things most people can only dream about, but at the end of the day, I had a small child, and another on the way, and I didn't want to be deployed overseas while they were growing up. That's why I got out after 10yrs and got my MBA, while I was still young enough to start a new career.

If I'd have stuck it out for another 10, I'd have full retirement now. Also, I missed all the action after 9/11 and it absolutely KILLED me that a lot of my squadron mates were out on the tip of the spear during that time and I wasn't with them. But at the end of the day, I have absolutely NO regrets.

 

[RoccoF14]

I could listen to you talk about stuff like this all day, more please.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but if there's something specific you want to know, I'm happy to answer. Just ask.

For those of you curious to what its like to fight in a high performance aircraft, this video is a pretty good approximation., with a couple of caveats:

1. This is a training exercise, so nobody is getting shot at.
2. This Air Force training exercise is very canned. Its a 2 ship formation. One guy sets up in an offensive position (60deg off the other guy's tail) and he's trying to get a quick kill. The other guy is trying to stay alive. Then they switch roles.
3. The guy talking is long winded, and this is tailored for video gamers. Skip the first 3 minutes. The fun stuff starts around minute 6.
4. The red diamonds in the video, over the bandit is not real. That was added for home viewers to keep track of the bandit. In real life, its your eyeballs only, unless the target is in front of you and locked on radar. This gives you a good idea of how hard it is to maintain sight in a turning fight.
5. The video does a really good job of showing the physical toll, maneuvering the jet takes on your body, and how hard it is to maintain sight of your adversary, especially when you are defensive. It beats the shit out of you and its exhausting.



If you want a good idea of what actual combat is like. This is about as accurate as it gets, when stuff starts going sideways. This was a Desert Storm video, where a flight of 4 F-16s kicked over a hornets nest and had a ton of SA-2s shot at them. Its a good representation of how com brevity on the radio is crucially important when the shit hits the fan.....right around the 3min mark of the video.

 

[Kovi]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but if there's something specific you want to know, I'm happy to answer. Just ask.

For those of you curious to what its like to fight in a high performance aircraft, this video is a pretty good approximation., with a couple of caveats:

1. This is a training exercise, so nobody is getting shot at.
2. This Air Force training exercise is very canned. Its a 2 ship formation. One guy sets up in an offensive position (60deg off the other guy's tail) and he's trying to get a quick kill. The other guy is trying to stay alive. Then they switch roles.
3. The guy talking is long winded, and this is tailored for video gamers. Skip the first 3 minutes. The fun stuff starts around minute 6.
4. The red diamonds in the video, over the bandit is not real. That was added for home viewers to keep track of the bandit. In real life, its your eyeballs only, unless the target is in front of you and locked on radar. This gives you a good idea of how hard it is to maintain sight in a turning fight.
5. The video does a really good job of showing the physical toll, maneuvering the jet takes on your body, and how hard it is to maintain sight of your adversary, especially when you are defensive. It beats the shit out of you and its exhausting.



If you want a good idea of what actual combat is like. This is about as accurate as it gets, when stuff starts going sideways. This was a Desert Storm video, where a flight of 4 F-16s kicked over a hornets nest and had a ton of SA-6s shot at them. Its a good representation of how com brevity on the radio is crucially important when the shit hits the fan.....right around the 3min mark of the video.

Holy heart rate, thank you for sharing. That was amazing.


I just came back from the store and on the way back an F35 was turning for a landing.

I can always tell when the F16s are up because their engine has a slight whistle. F35s just be Hell Fire loud.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

30% minimum raise

I've been on the bad side of crap coworkers, crap company to work for...basically hell (aka CVS Corporate). I took a pay cut to leave them and go to my current job and it was worth every penny.

To leave this one would take a lot of extra $ honestly. I'm a bit underpaid but I cant complain. I got moved to permanent remote at the start of COVID, get along great with my manager, PTO is no stress just let them know and its approved, and regularly get an annual bonus. So all in all there's a lot of value here that doesn't show up on the paycheck. Plus I'd hate to end up in another CVS situation.

 

[Kovi]

I had 7 jobs after college graduation in 1991. (10 years of it in educational technology K-12). After that it was marketing, social media and eventually Communications Director (the last through the pandemic, that was fun)
90% of them were toxic where I was either underpaid or undervalued. I was anxious and burned out and unhappy.

I quit 9-5 2 years ago to start my business. I was just saying to GM last night that it feels like a lot of work to keep a sustainable energy going. But I wouldnt trade it for those years of unhappiness and cleaning up other people's messes. I had a lot of CEOs who couldnt read their own calendars and it was like babysitting. I don't miss that anxiety.

 

[McGarnagle]

Speaking of job stuff, does anyone have any side hustles like real estate or anything?

I rent out the back unit to cut down on the mortgage, and the plan is to save up to buy a new house and keep the current one as a rental unit.

I also am trying to learn forex trading. I have my investment portfolio and 401k for long-term holding, but want to learn to trade on the side to build up my income a little bit - nothing reckless and not gambling the house away, but seeing if I can turn a small amount of money into a profit.

I don't mind working for now but I definitely don't want to sit at this desk until I'm 65. Earlier I can retire the better.

 

[RoccoF14]

Speaking of job stuff, does anyone have any side hustles like real estate or anything?

I rent out the back unit to cut down on the mortgage, and the plan is to save up to buy a new house and keep the current one as a rental unit.

I also am trying to learn forex trading. I have my investment portfolio and 401k for long-term holding, but want to learn to trade on the side to build up my income a little bit - nothing reckless and not gambling the house away, but seeing if I can turn a small amount of money into a profit.

I don't mind working for now but I definitely don't want to sit at this desk until I'm 65. Earlier I can retire the better.

I do commercial real estate for Starbucks (19yr anniversary today, BTW), and I own a rental place down in Miramar Beach, FL. If you are thinking about renting your existing place, be sure you can legally do it. Some subdivisions deed restrict that. Also, property management capability and cost is something you definitely want to research unless you plan on doing all of that work yourself.

Best advice I can give you is to be sure you have enough cash reserved to cover lean times and make capital investments when needed. Don't over extend yourself. In the 7 years I've owned my rental place, I've replaced a hot water heater, HVAC, furniture, and done some exterior work. Got a window replacement scheduled for 2025. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss further.

 

[bb74]

Speaking of job stuff, does anyone have any side hustles like real estate or anything?

I rent out the back unit to cut down on the mortgage, and the plan is to save up to buy a new house and keep the current one as a rental unit.

I also am trying to learn forex trading. I have my investment portfolio and 401k for long-term holding, but want to learn to trade on the side to build up my income a little bit - nothing reckless and not gambling the house away, but seeing if I can turn a small amount of money into a profit.

I don't mind working for now but I definitely don't want to sit at this desk until I'm 65. Earlier I can retire the better.

Wouldn't recommend forex trading as a side investment hobby. You need to leverage up way too much to make it worth anything and the hedges take all the $ on their arbitrage cuts. Not worth it.

In my experience if you have time for an hour a day, 5 days a week, pick 5-7 legit well run companies that you feel are undervalued, set your strike price, and execute the sale without emotion. Sell when you get to your strike price and reinvest again on a dip of more than 3.5%, or in another undervalued company on your list. The key here is these are companies that you would invest in as a long term buy and hold even if they had a lull. You'd be surprised at the 5%-7% quarterly volatility of many well run and profitable businesses and if you can turn that 2-3 times a year you are beating the market and worst case you have a medium term hold...

Get's you into that 10%+ range doubling your assets every 7 years min.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

For everyone not named troublesome85:

I'm curious to see how others feel about their current jobs/coworkers. How much more money percentage-wise would it take to get you to leave your current job if you really love the team you work with? I fully expect to never have to go through this process again and just spent a week agonizing over it. Dwight Schrute would not be pleased with my ultimate decision.

All the answers so far point out probably the most relevant thing - it's a very personal choice, based on who you are as a person, your personal financial situation and your relationship with you job and team.

I have been a consultant for 8+ years now, and in those 8 years, I've worked for 14 different clients (one of them twice). Needless to say, I don't have the expectation of not ever going through the job change process again, but that fits me. If that's huge stress for you, I get why you'd not want to repeat it.

As far as the money question goes, since that's the specific question you asked: How much more would it take? I think the best way to answer that is to ask yourself how much more would make a material difference in your life. Remember that any future raises will be based off of that number (what you take to leave, or what you accept if you stay), so that's a factor. For most of us, money is the reason we work, so if you have to work, and the job roles are similar, it may as well be for more money.

Not sure how much that helps, but that's my longwinded take on it.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Same here, Wally. That's why I ultimately got out of the Navy. I LOVED my job and got to do some things most people can only dream about, but at the end of the day, I had a small child, and another on the way, and I didn't want to be deployed overseas while they were growing up. That's why I got out after 10yrs and got my MBA, while I was still young enough to start a new career.

If I'd have stuck it out for another 10, I'd have full retirement now. Also, I missed all the action after 9/11 and it absolutely KILLED me that a lot of my squadron mates were out on the tip of the spear during that time and I wasn't with them. But at the end of the day, I have absolutely NO regrets.

I had a similar experience - very seriously considered taking orders after my shore tour, but (as you know), the typical career path would be disassociated sea tour, followed by a tour with a deploying squadron. My kids were 3, 5 and 6 at the time, and I knew they would just be getting started with activities I'd like to be around for. So being gone for more than half of the next 5-6 years was ultimately the deciding factor. I even interviewed for and got offered a job to be a navigator for NOAA's hurricane hunter P-3's, but found out that they average being away from home around 4 months of every year. That one I do regret a little bit though. It would have been an amazing experience, and I didn't realize how much I was going to miss flying. Plus, being able to say you flew straight into hurricanes on a regular basis would be pretty cool!

We must have gotten out about the same time, because 9/11 happened the day I was in my 6-month follow up training at the custody accounting job I held for a while first thing out.

 

[chizzler]

Good heavens lol

My teeth are vibrating just reading that

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Not one ounce of fruit, nuts or any natural ingredients there.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I have no thread to put this in , but that creepy Steven Singer Jewelers commercial where the guy proposes to a mannequin needs to die in a fire.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I have no thread to put this in , but that creepy Steven Singer Jewelers commercial where the guy proposes to a mannequin needs to die in a fire.

Haha yes please.

 

[GordonHowe]

I am very happy - I now have this amazing filing cabinet in my house. It means a lot to me - my Dad brought it from Windsor Station in Montreal when they renovated in the late 1970s. I was about 16 years old and fell in love with it. They were throwing all this stuff away because no one wanted it.
The handles are brass and it is solid wood and was made in Newmarket, Ontario, but not sure how old it is.
My Mom used to store her knitting patterns and books in it, I have wonderful memories of this cabinet. My brother gave it to my nephew, not knowing how much I loved it. I didn't want to ask for it but when my brother realized how much it meant to me, he got it back and delivered it on Tuesday.

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Handsome.

 

[Terrier]

Tornado warning for southeastern Worcester County.

 

[BMC]

Under tornado warnings until 9:15AM...several places reporting downed lines & we're getting tons of rain.

 

[Ladyfan]

Under tornado warnings until 9:15AM...several places reporting downed lines & we're getting tons of rain.

It is pouring here in Southern NH

 

[Alicat]

Under tornado warnings until 9:15AM...several places reporting downed lines & we're getting tons of rain.

Be safe.

My boss isnt far from the RI border and is in the basement. I cancelled meetings this morning in case shit hits the fan here. We've had so much rain that one gust of wind could do some real damage.

Glad I got my laundry done this am

 

[Alicat]

Way too spicy this morning

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

It is pouring here in Southern NH

We're fine it always gets everyone else but us.