The Curious Case of Mitch Marner discussion thread.

[Racer88]

not talking purely numbers, more of the impact on the opposition, both Winnipeg and Toronto could be considered "offensive juggernauts," but between Montreals' stifling trap with their out and out hustle plus Price making stops he shouldn't have(the Halak part) it was a recipe for disaster.

I honestly thought Montreal would put up a decent fight against the Leafs, but not enough to advance, which they wouldn't have if Auston could've scored at the least 2 more goals. The bigger surprise is that they had more then enough still left in the tank to do it to the Jets and Knights. Price had just enough protection in the the 3 series to be the star of the show, but when the team in front of him had nothing left in the finals he got clobbered!

Or if Marner could have scored even 1 or 2 goals period

 

[mikeyz]

Mitch Marner = DeMar DeRozan

That’s an insult to Derozan. At least he won playoff rounds.

 

[Racer88]

Andy or not....we were out goaltended again.

So the point still stands.

IE: we can argue until the cows come home about our defence and the soft kids up front, etc....bottom line is we cant win a playoff series until our goaltender (whoever it is) isn't badly outplayed by the opposing goaltender.

Andersen is not the solution. He was the biggest part of the problem. Campbell was outplayed by a hall of famer.

We were out played and out worked in almost every position on the team including coaching

 

[Superstar]

geez i thought it was Andy's fault we got knocked out every year

He was still on the roster...

 

[Leafshater67]

geez i thought it was Andy's fault we got knocked out every year

It was other years, yes. It was a lock of scoring compounded with abysmal goaltending. This year, it was just a lack of scoring as Campbell was solid

 

[hotpaws]

It was other years, yes. It was a lock of scoring compounded with abysmal goaltending. This year, it was just a lack of scoring as Campbell was solid

Andy's 4 four playoffs with us
.915
.896
.922
.936
so basically 1 bad year but he also played against much better offensive teams in at least 3 of his 4 playoffs with than Campbell did

Campbell had a .934 in his one playoff so he played well

but i'm guessing your talking about close out games so if you are you should take a look at Campbell's 3 close out games this year which were all abysmal

 

[PromisedLand]

money mitch wondering whether the money was deposited in his bank account. he forgot his atm pin and online banking password

 

[Stephen]

IIRC last offseason there were a couple of stories about Mitch improving his shot. I really hope he has continued to develop his shooting, if he is to be a more complete player he needs to become more dynamic to keep defenses and goalies guessing.

At some point in the season he was really looking off Matthews on some prime passing opportunities. It's like he had the shooters mentality but not the improved shot...

 

[IPS]

Andy's 4 four playoffs with us
.915
.896
.922
.936
so basically 1 bad year but he also played against much better offensive teams in at least 3 of his 4 playoffs with than Campbell did

Campbell had a .934 in his one playoff so he played well

but i'm guessing your talking about close out games so if you are you should take a look at Campbell's 3 close out games this year which were all abysmal

Freddy's bad history of close out games is a lot bigger of a sample size than Campbell's.

 

[hotpaws]

Freddy's bad history of close out games is a lot bigger of a sample size than Campbell's.

i agree but my reply was in response to the poster saying Andy was abysmal while Campbell was solid enough though he shit the bed for 3 straight close out games

 

[tronoleaf]

Marner's presser still bothers me.

"It's a complete lie."

Who is he kidding?

 

[koyvoo]

not talking purely numbers, more of the impact on the opposition, both Winnipeg and Toronto could be considered "offensive juggernauts," but between Montreals' stifling trap with their out and out hustle plus Price making stops he shouldn't have(the Halak part) it was a recipe for disaster.

I honestly thought Montreal would put up a decent fight against the Leafs, but not enough to advance, which they wouldn't have if Auston could've scored at the least 2 more goals. The bigger surprise is that they had more then enough still left in the tank to do it to the Jets and Knights. Price had just enough protection in the the 3 series to be the star of the show, but when the team in front of him had nothing left in the finals he got clobbered!

Having watched their run very closely, my perception was quite different.

Price played his best or most impactful hockey against us, but even still, he was just more solid than otherworldly. I’m not sure you could make a highlight reel pack of more than half a dozen truly stone cold robbery saves vs us.

Against Winnipeg, he wasn’t even really needed tbh.

In the Vegas series, he had a massive game 2, which they needed to ultimately tie the series, but by the last 3 games of that series, Vegas was getting outplayed rather convincingly.

The first 3 games of the final were bar none his absolute worst in the entire post season, and game 2 in Tampa may have been Montreal’s best performance as a team in the entire playoffs. Outshot Tampa by almost double after putting a leafs like performance (no compete) in game 1. It’s ridiculous to put any negative spin on his playoffs, but when they truly needed him the most, he was at his worst. He woke up after 3 terrible games, bit today were down 0-3 by then.

Anyhow, my main point is that we faced an elite NHL goalie, playing solid hockey. Not a goalie who just wasn’t going to be beaten. It was3-1, they pushed back a bit, and rather than anyone on our roster stepping up, we bent over. Our stars bent over the easiest.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner's presser still bothers me.

"It's a complete lie."

Who is he kidding?

Maybe he'll change, anything's possible I guess but based on what we've seen in the playoffs from him so far (and it's not like the sample size is that small any more) and the way he's reacted to his failures, I don't see much reason for optimism going forward. I hate to say it but right now, is seems like Marner is a loser, plain and simple.

 

[tronoleaf]

Maybe he'll change, anything's possible I guess but based on what we've seen in the playoffs from him so far (and it's not like the sample size is that small any more) and the way he's reacted to his failures, I don't see much reason for optimism going forward. I hate to say it but right now, is seems like Marner is a loser, plain and simple.

Yup. Also, an immature, selfish, spoiled brat. Please get this cancer off the team.

 

[saffronleaf]

Marner already has killer instinct. Just look at what he did to Dubas. He destroyed Dubas in negotiations and has Dubas defending him and making excuses for him at every turn like a fanboy.

 

[Walshy7]

Maybe he'll change, anything's possible I guess but based on what we've seen in the playoffs from him so far (and it's not like the sample size is that small any more) and the way he's reacted to his failures, I don't see much reason for optimism going forward. I hate to say it but right now, is seems like Marner is a loser, plain and simple.

this it what 5 years in the league now? his shot is just as weak as it was in junior, maybe he'll change? if he cant be bothered to improve his shot he isnt going to improve much else

 

[ACC1224]

this it what 5 years in the league now? his shot is just as weak as it was in junior, maybe he'll change? if he cant be bothered to improve his shot he isnt going to improve much else

What makes you think he can’t be bothered to improve his shot?

 

[Walshy7]

What makes you think he can’t be bothered to improve his shot?

because its jsut as weak as it was the day he started in the league. But i suppose you are right im assuming perhaps he tries every year and just cant do it, something mechanical maybe

 

[notbias]

Nah that wasn't the problem, Tavares was one of the most sought after Free agents in history and teams were offering up to 13. Giving Marner a better contract than 3x champion Patrick Kane is what permanently destroyed the team's salary structure.

Comparing cap hits from different years is pointless.

Kane - 15.22%
Marner - 13.38%

If you adjust Kane's to the cap when Marner was signed, his cap is 1.5 mil more per season than Marner's. Kane is now at 12.4mil.

 

[mclaren55]

Comparing cap hits from different years is pointless.

Kane - 15.22%
Marner - 13.38%

If you adjust Kane's to the cap when Marner was signed, his cap is 1.5 mil more per season than Marner's. Kane is now at 12.4mil.

Kane is the better player and worth his contract.

 

[17 Clark]

Comparing cap hits from different years is pointless.

Kane - 15.22%
Marner - 13.38%

If you adjust Kane's to the cap when Marner was signed, his cap is 1.5 mil more per season than Marner's. Kane is now at 12.4mil.

Don’t even compare of the players mariner is not even in the same league Kane Will win the Stanley Cup for you all mariner cares about is gone golfing

 

[notbias]

Kane is the better player and worth his contract.

Never said he wasn't.

Don’t even compare of the players mariner is not even in the same league Kane Will win the Stanley Cup for you all mariner cares about is gone golfing

Why are you so angry?

Did either of you read what I replied to or did you both just get emotional that Kane was mentioned beside Marner and think you needed to derail the topic?

Marner makes less than Kane as a % of the cap, comparing people across different years is useless when comparing just the cap hit, all my point was, sorry if that offended you.

 

[Bomber0104]

Comparing cap hits from different years is pointless.

Kane - 15.22%
Marner - 13.38%

If you adjust Kane's to the cap when Marner was signed, his cap is 1.5 mil more per season than Marner's. Kane is now at 12.4mil.

Yeah but one of these guys does this in the playoffs:

The other, this:

 

[paulhiggins]

because its jsut as weak as it was the day he started in the league. But i suppose you are right im assuming perhaps he tries every year and just cant do it, something mechanical maybe

If he spent as much time strengthening his arms as he does strengthening his fingers on the cell phone he could have a better shot. A good shot is important for those willing to shoot instead of pass and willing to go into the tough areas, neither of which really describes Mitch. If he's not traded during the summer, maybe he'll get "Larry Murphy'd" out of town.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If he spent as much time strengthening his arms as he does strengthening his fingers on the cell phone he could have a better shot. A good shot is important for those willing to shoot instead of pass and willing to go into the tough areas, neither of which really describes Mitch. If he's not traded during the summer, maybe he'll get "Larry Murphy'd" out of town.

It's probably going to end up that way. Run out of town. But he made his demands - it's unfortunate that our weak GM caved, but hey, you don't get the "Agent's Poll: Kyle Dubas ranks as Best GM to get client a good deal from" distinction for nothing