The Case for Tyler Bozak: All Tyler Bozak Discussion Here

[hockeyfanz*]

That has nothing to do with it. Just because he plays with Kessel doesn't mean he isn't a good player.

It's ridiculous. It's a stupid, assumative, statement to try and bash Bozak.

I think the argument is that he mostly has ONLY ever played with Kessel., which doesn't make him a good player either. You think if Bozie was on say Anaheim or Chicago, Boston or Pittsburgh that he would have been afforded the same opportunities as he has in Toronto where there is virtually NO center depth thanks in large part to the incompetent management team that has been in place for a decade now?

Answer is NO. He would most likely be a 3rd or 4th line center, face-off specialist probably producing 25 points per year. He would be buried as a role player. Thats the truth of the matter. But in Toronto he is a star riding shotgun with two high scoring wingers....inflating his numbers and thus allowing him a jackpot contract that he would have never ever obtained in a market where there was competent management.

 

[Peasy]

I think the argument is that he mostly has ONLY ever played with Kessel., which doesn't make him a good player either. You think if Bozie was on say Anaheim or Chicago, Boston or Pittsburgh that he would have been afforded the same opportunities as he has in Toronto where there is virtually NO center depth thanks in large part to the incompetent management team that has been in place for a decade now?

Answer is NO. He would most likely be a 3rd or 4th line center, face-off specialist probably producing 25 points per year. He would be buried as a role player. Thats the truth of the matter. But in Toronto he is a star riding shotgun with two high scoring wingers....inflating his numbers and thus allowing him a jackpot contract that he would have never ever obtained in a market where there was competent management.

He wouldn't be a 4th line centre... I remember when Steckle tried to play with Kessel once and it was a joke, same to be said for McClement. You act like any centre in the league can play against other teams best match ups and thats obviously not the case.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

'Whether or not Bozak is a good player away from Kessel is inconclusive at best, because while Bozak/Kessel's WOWY numbers aren't exactly in Bozak's favour thus far, it's also a relatively small sample size and hard to draw conclusions from.'

'SO YOU THINK BOZAK IS A BAD PLAYER BECAUSE HE PLAYS WITH KESSEL? WHAT A STUPID AND RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.'

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[leaffaninvancouver]

'Whether or not Bozak is a good player away from Kessel is inconclusive at best, because while Bozak/Kessel's WOWY numbers aren't exactly in Bozak's favour thus far, it's also a relatively small sample size and hard to draw conclusions from.'

'SO YOU THINK BOZAK IS A BAD PLAYER BECAUSE HE PLAYS WITH KESSEL? WHAT A STUPID AND RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.'

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Bozo the clown! Useless scrub, Bozak sucks, it's not like his detractors are remotely unbiased...

Honestly if we didn't have a few very vocal people people thinking Bozak is stealing Kadri's ice-time this thread would have very few replies.

Apart from maybe one poster, most people seem to be like yeah Bozak's he's alright we have a bigger problems to worry about. I like Bozak would I prefer a great elite center? Yes! definitely but until one shows up ripping apart Bozak in every thread (Not you just in general) is annoying.

 

[Cor]

He wouldn't be a 4th line centre... I remember when Steckle tried to play with Kessel once and it was a joke, same to be said for McClement. You act like any centre in the league can play against other teams best match ups and thats obviously not the case.

It's crazy how some people don't get this man

 

[mikebel111*]

He is our 2nd best C behind Kadri

 

[hockeyfanz*]

He wouldn't be a 4th line centre... I remember when Steckle tried to play with Kessel once and it was a joke, same to be said for McClement. You act like any centre in the league can play against other teams best match ups and thats obviously not the case.

Maybe..maybe not. On those teams I presented...he would certainly be no better than a 3rd line center...still being a faceoff specialist with probably no PP time. He wouldn't have the opportunities he has been gifted in Toronto because of the lack of C depth. 100% true. Sometimes a 3rd line player can easily be a top line player on another team...look at Seguin...I dont think Boston ever used him in the capacity that the Stars do...and he leads the league in scoring. Same in reverse is true.

Bozak on a lousy Leafs team..gets the opportunity he wouldn't have on a team with competent management.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Bozo the clown! Useless scrub, Bozak sucks, it's not like his detractors are remotely unbiased...

Who's criticizing Bozak fans for being biased, though..? I was just pointing out that Durrr's argument was being misrepresented and dismissed as 'ridiculous' when really it was a perfectly valid point that has yet to be honestly addressed, along with Cap'n Flavour showing that JVR/Bozak/Clarkson were anything but a 'solid' or productive line, etc. etc.

It's not about 'hating on' anyone. Check my post history and you'll find plenty of instances of me agreeing with Interactif on the Bozak/Kadri debate in the past. But once I started following some interesting Twitter accounts, reading some articles, letting go of the players' names, personalities, etc. and looking at the team as 'Player A', 'Player B', 'Player C'.... I started coming to some dramatically different conclusions.

Sure guys like Bozak and Reimer are plenty likeable, while others like Kadri and Lupul seem like cocky, prototypical 'jocks' at times, but you can't let that cloud your judgement of them as hockey players. Evander Kane seems like a first-ballot hall of fame assclown, but would anyone not want him playing for the Leafs, or prefer a swell, humble guy who isn't as good of a hockey player?

 

[BorntoLose]

Maybe..maybe not. On those teams I presented...he would certainly be no better than a 3rd line center...still being a faceoff specialist with probably no PP time. He wouldn't have the opportunities he has been gifted in Toronto because of the lack of C depth. 100% true. Sometimes a 3rd line player can easily be a top line player on another team...look at Seguin...I dont think Boston ever used him in the capacity that the Stars do...and he leads the league in scoring. Same in reverse is true.

Bozak on a lousy Leafs team..gets the opportunity he wouldn't have on a team with competent management.

well yeah that kind of goes without saying obviously if we had a better center Bozak wouldn't be on the top line, but we have 3 mediocre C's that are pretty much interchangeable and can be placed on any line 1-3 without any noticeable effect.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

well yeah that kind of goes without saying obviously if we had a better center Bozak wouldn't be on the top line, but we have 3 mediocre C's that are pretty much interchangeable and can be placed on any line 1-3 without any noticeable effect.

Dont disagree with your statement. Its the others in this thread that do.

 

[Durrr]

That has nothing to do with it. Just because he plays with Kessel doesn't mean he isn't a good player.

It's ridiculous. It's a stupid, assumative, statement to try and bash Bozak.

See, I'd disagree, lots of players have made careers piggy-backing off real elite talents. Bozak is proving to be a useful player with Kessel, but what it actually means is Bozak might not have value outside of the first line. If this is the case, and were looking to improve C depth long term, then Bozak should be traded while his value is at his peak, and not after he's been moved from Kessel and everyone finds out he's a potential 30 pt center who is going to be 30 in two years.

It's not stupid, nor assumptive, because the stats we actually have show that he doesn't have much offensive value away from Kessel, and that he is barley providing defensive value with Kessel.

 

[Menzinger]

well yeah that kind of goes without saying obviously if we had a better center Bozak wouldn't be on the top line, but we have 3 mediocre C's that are pretty much interchangeable and can be placed on any line 1-3 without any noticeable effect.

Except there are observable differences in terms of puck possession and even strength scoring. Not all Leaf centres are equal in this regards.

With that said, the Leafs group of centres is considerably weak compared to the better teams in the league.

 

[Durrr]

Serious question, would you guys trade Bozak for ROR?

The av's might be looking to unload ROR at the TD, I think this would be a good trade for both parties.

 

[ACC1224]

Serious question, would you guys trade Bozak for ROR?

The av's might be looking to unload ROR at the TD, I think this would be a good trade for both parties.

I think most would but I'm not sure the Leafs would when you consider the Cap. I think they value him a lot more than the fans do.

 

[The Apologist]

Serious question, would you guys trade Bozak for ROR?

The av's might be looking to unload ROR at the TD, I think this would be a good trade for both parties.

I'm sure to be in the minority but I would not. Of course I think that ROR is highly overrated

 

[The Apologist]

I think most would but I'm not sure the Leafs would when you consider the Cap. I think they value him a lot more than the fans do.

An this is exactly why I wouldn't. I don't think ROR would bring enough value to justify the cap hit. He would become Clarkson 2.0 within hours.

I don't think people get just what a deal Bozak is at just over 4m.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

Serious question, would you guys trade Bozak for ROR?

The av's might be looking to unload ROR at the TD, I think this would be a good trade for both parties.

Colorado wouldn't do that deal...EVER. They can get a lot more than Bozie for ROR. Don't kid yourself.

 

[BorntoLose]

Except there are observable differences in terms of puck possession and even strength scoring. Not all Leaf centres are equal in this regards.

With that said, the Leafs group of centres is considerably weak compared to the better teams in the league.

well yeah they all have their different strengths weaknesses whether it be FO%, possession,drawing penalties, PP scoring, ES scoring etc these differences don't set one apart enough to be the definite #1 2 or 3.

 

[Durrr]

Colorado wouldn't do that deal...EVER. They can get a lot more than Bozie for ROR. Don't kid yourself.

If they are looking for a center to replace him that can jump in right away I don't see why this is a bad deal for either party. I know the leafs value Bozak (and rightfully so, he has real value right now), but ROR is only 22 years old guys. This is the type of move the Leafs need to make, even if ROR is overvalued right now.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

If they are looking for a center to replace him that can jump in right away I don't see why this is a bad deal for either party. I know the leafs value Bozak (and rightfully so, he has real value right now), but ROR is only 22 years old guys. This is the type of move the Leafs need to make, even if ROR is overvalued right now.

I'm pretty sure they would garner more than a 3rd line center for ROR. Perhaps Phaneuf for ROR would be more realistic although I doubt they'd want his contract.

 

[Gallagbi]

I don't understand why the Ave would trade ROR for a centre, unless he is requesting a trade.

They have too many natural Cs right now, adding wingers/D would be the priority.

 

[BorntoLose]

ROR hasnt done much to warrant 6m so far this year, and hes not 22 he turning 24 soon. id rather save the cap space for signing Kadri.

 

[Purity*]

ROR hasnt done much to warrant 6m so far this year, and hes not 22 he turning 24 soon. id rather save the cap space for signing Kadri.

Struggling offensively, very similar to Kadri. Difference is ROR has been terrible defensively (luckily now we can't say the same thing about Kadri ).

Same thing though, turning 24 soon he is still a developing player just like Kadri.

 

[Durrr]

Struggling offensively, very similar to Kadri. Difference is ROR has been terrible defensively (luckily now we can't say the same thing about Kadri ).

Same thing though, turning 24 soon he is still a developing player just like Kadri.

The av's would be looking for a center that will remain on a cheap contract (Bozak), yet still be able to contribute on the PK and PP (like ROR), and also add some vet experience from someone who attended college in Colorado. ROR has much higher upside then Bozak ever did, and has already crushed his points/goal totals in a single season, so I can see us having to add to this, but it certainly helps our C depth.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

Struggling offensively, very similar to Kadri. Difference is ROR has been terrible defensively (luckily now we can't say the same thing about Kadri ).

Same thing though, turning 24 soon he is still a developing player just like Kadri.

If I were the GM of the Leafs, I would be aggressively trying to move Bozak for O'Reilly.

The Avs need a 2nd or 3rd line C at a manageable cap #, which Bozak is.

O'Reilly is likely better with more potential, but he'd still likely end up on the 3rd line, which is not cool at a $6m+ price tag.

You need to scoop players like this when they have some warts showing. Buy low.