Speculation: The Bruins and Jeremy Swayman are far apart in contract term (length) and dollar amount.

[KrisLetAngry]

Maybe he just wants a change and a chance at a cup

Proposal:

Nurse + skinner for swayman + 2nd

So what else is Edmonton adding?

4 1sts?

 

[centipede2233]

It’s interesting how we have seen the progression of players over the years but at the same time the regression and importance of star goaltenders decline. In fact, it’s not about how good your starter is, but how good your backup and goaltending depth is. Gone are the years where Roy, Belfour, brodeur, kipper, Lundqvist churned out 65+ games a year. If you have aspirations of winning a cup, your starter needs to be at 55 gp or less. Anything more is too taxing and catches up at some point in the playoffs. When I see Cup winning teams win with Adin hill, binnington, kuemper I’m reminded, a low caphit goalie who can just be good and not great can win to.

Sure vasilevsky and bob won cups with high cap hits, but they also had superior defence and defensive minded forwards to help shelter them.

Where you should invest is defence, defence and forwards that can play defence can shelter the weaker aspects of your team.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

It’s interesting how we have seen the progression of players over the years but at the same time the regression and importance of star goaltenders decline. In fact, it’s not about how good your starter is, but how good your backup and goaltending depth is. Gone are the years where Roy, Belfour, brodeur, kipper, Lundqvist churned out 65+ games a year. If you have aspirations of winning a cup, your starter needs to be at 55 gp or less. Anything more is too taxing and catches up at some point in the playoffs. When I see up winning teams win with Asian hill, binnington, kuemper I’m reminded, a low caphit goalie who can just be good and not great can win to.

Sure vasilevsky and bob won cups with high cap hits, but they also had superior defence and defensive minded forwards to help shelter them.

Where you should invest is defence, defence and forwards that can play defence can shelter the weaker aspects of your team.

Bang on, I'm very curious to see how Ullmark does this year in order to prove that theory. Aiden Hill could barely make it in the NHL as a back up, and all of a sudden he's an MVP with that strong Vegas Defense. If I'm a GM, I ain't wasting $8-10 Million (10% + of my Cap) on a goalie.

 

[centipede2233]

Bang on, I'm very curious to see how Ullmark does this year in order to prove that theory. Aiden Hill could barely make it in the NHL as a back up, and all of a sudden he's an MVP with that strong Vegas Defense. If I'm a GM, I ain't wasting $8-10 Million (10% + of my Cap) on a goalie.

Agreed, all the recent cup winning teams, Avs, blues, caps, golden knights and panthers have one thing in common, great two way forwards and excellent top 5 defence.

 

[Fatass]

Bang on, I'm very curious to see how Ullmark does this year in order to prove that theory. Aiden Hill could barely make it in the NHL as a back up, and all of a sudden he's an MVP with that strong Vegas Defense. If I'm a GM, I ain't wasting $8-10 Million (10% + of my Cap) on a goalie.

Do the Bruins have those pieces though? IMO that club needs Swayman to make the playoffs. And if they miss the playoffs the current GM will be out of work.
Panthers have goalie Bob at 10 per. Swayman is equally as good and important to his team.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Do the Bruins have those pieces though? IMO that club needs Swayman to make the playoffs. And if they miss the playoffs the current GM will be out of work.
Panthers have goalie Bob at 10 per. Swayman is equally as good and important to his team.

The Bruins do have a staunch defense that gave Ullmark a Vezina. Not denying Swayman is a good goalie, and that the Bruins need him. But he doesn't have the Bob track record that earned him the $10M. I'm willing to bet Korpisalo's numbers vastly improve in Ottawa, just as Ullmark's did.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Really complete mismanagement by Sweeney. At this point you have to speculate about the relationship between these sides moving forward if actual games are being missed. They already squeezed him last year and he proved himself. Pay the man.

 

[seafoam]

Why trade Ullmark if you're not willing to pay Swayman?

Also, why trade Ullmark before signing Swayman? You lose all leverage in negotiation when you trade Ullmark.

I've never been impressed with Don Sweeney's critical thinking ability.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Really complete mismanagement by Sweeney. At this point you have to speculate about the relationship between these sides moving forward if actual games are being missed. They already squeezed him last year and he proved himself. Pay the man.

Actually, complete mismanagement would be walking a high-priced UFA to his freedom without being able to sign or trade him like a Mitch Marner. Bruins will be fine.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Actually, complete mismanagement would be walking a high-priced UFA to his freedom without being able to sign or trade him like a Mitch Marner. Bruins will be fine.

Need to know when the Leafs ever walked Marner to free agency. Last I checked he still has 8+ months before then

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Need to know when the Leafs ever walked Marner to free agency. Last I checked he still has 8+ months before then

Yes, this year is the walk. Good luck with that. Bruins won't cave in to unreasonable asks in contract negotiations. Swayman can enjoy making $100k in Europe for the year.

 

[Reality Czech]

Why trade Ullmark if you're not willing to pay Swayman?

Also, why trade Ullmark before signing Swayman? You lose all leverage in negotiation when you trade Ullmark.

I've never been impressed with Don Sweeney's critical thinking ability.

Friedman said on his podcast that they likely traded Ullmark before the deadline to resubmit his no trade list to avoid the possibility that he might have blocked options like Ottawa. I think it was just his speculation but it makes sense.

Seems like the bigger mistake was Sweeney not knowing where he stood with Swayman and not seeing this coming sooner.

 

[byrath]

You'd think that it would be obvious by now whether a long term agreement is possible, and it seems not to be, but a bridge deal should be pretty easy to work out. One year @ 6m and re-assess next offseason, simple. It's curious to me that this hasn't happened yet. Maybe they're closer than we think to working out an 8 year deal, or maybe Swayman is insisting on close to 8m even on a bridge.

 

[Irie]

Bang on, I'm very curious to see how Ullmark does this year in order to prove that theory. Aiden Hill could barely make it in the NHL as a back up, and all of a sudden he's an MVP with that strong Vegas Defense. If I'm a GM, I ain't wasting $8-10 Million (10% + of my Cap) on a goalie.

Ullmark was pretty great behind a mostly inept Sabres Defense, posting .915, and .917 sv pct his last two years there.

Problem was, with the way Buffalo played, Ullmark spent most of his games working really hard making tough. lateral saves, which is hard on a goalie's body, and Ullmark couldn't play more than 7-10 games before he would get hurt and miss two weeks. It was a regular pattern. I expect him to perform well this year, but be injured a lot again.

 

[Coffees]

He'll be re-upped. Not worried.

How bout now ?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I don't think some ppl here have brains. Guenther is projected to be a ppg winger in the future. Swayman is very likely getting carried by the Bruins defensive play.

PPG winger > Average Goalie

First sentence compared to last sentence is something.

 

[BostonBob]

How bout now ?

Keep asking but the answer will always be " no " at least until the season starts.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Ullmark was pretty great behind a mostly inept Sabres Defense, posting .915, and .917 sv pct his last two years there.

Problem was, with the way Buffalo played, Ullmark spent most of his games working really hard making tough. lateral saves, which is hard on a goalie's body, and Ullmark couldn't play more than 7-10 games before he would get hurt and miss two weeks. It was a regular pattern. I expect him to perform well this year, but be injured a lot again.

.915 and .917 in seasons where he played 34 and 20 games respectively.

Those 2 years combined is fewer games than the Sens will be expecting from Ullmark this next season alone. Really not comparable at all.

 

[Coffees]

Keep asking but the answer will always be " no " at least until the season starts.

lol fair enough. Also think it’s cool you are a Bruins fan from Van, and vice versa with me

 

[wintersej]

Why trade Ullmark if you're not willing to pay Swayman?

Also, why trade Ullmark before signing Swayman? You lose all leverage in negotiation when you trade Ullmark.

I've never been impressed with Don Sweeney's critical thinking ability.

You know that Swayman’s agent has a brain and critical thinking skills, too, right?

If he is looking to maximize $$$ (which he certainly is), why on earth would he do the Bruins a solid and sign when the Bruins have maximum leverage?

This is the same agent the chose arbitration last year so squeeze his client an extra 100-200k. The same agent that had Nylander sit out until 12/1 over a few hundred K.

To think “why didn’t the Bruins make Gross agree to a deal sooner?!” seems incredibly naive.

Bruins really had to move Ullmark before he could submit a new list because Ullmark really didn’t want to move.

But let’s play critical thinking and say the Bruins didn’t move Ullmark.

They wouldn’t have the 1st they got. Swayman still wouldn’t be signed. They would have had to have skip signing Lindholm or Zadorov. For what?

The Bruins play 25 games before Dec 1st. I don’t think it’s worth diving into the potential if “what if Swayman sits out the whole season and doesn’t get paid at all to prove a point?!”

So worst case scenario, you are looking at 15 games of Korpisalo and 10 games of Bussi. Is upgrading that to 15 games of Ullmark and 10 games of Bussi worth giving up on a 1st round pick and something like downgrading from Zadorov to Ian Cole?

And what if you know that Korpisalo got corrective laser eye surgery over the offseason? And what if you know that your goalie coach that has worked with three Vezina winners thinks he can work with Korpisalo?

 

[seafoam]

You know that Swayman’s agent has a brain and critical thinking skills, too, right?

If he is looking to maximize $$$ (which he certainly is), why on earth would he do the Bruins a solid and sign when the Bruins have maximum leverage?

This is the same agent the chose arbitration last year so squeeze his client an extra 100-200k. The same agent that had Nylander sit out until 12/1 over a few hundred K.

To think “why didn’t the Bruins make Gross agree to a deal sooner?!” seems incredibly naive.

Bruins really had to move Ullmark before he could submit a new list because Ullmark really didn’t want to move.

But let’s play critical thinking and say the Bruins didn’t move Ullmark.

They wouldn’t have the 1st they got. Swayman still wouldn’t be signed. They would have had to have skip signing Lindholm or Zadorov. For what?

The Bruins play 25 games before Dec 1st. I don’t think it’s worth diving into the potential if “what if Swayman sits out the whole season and doesn’t get paid at all to prove a point?!”

So worst case scenario, you are looking at 15 games of Korpisalo and 10 games of Bussi. Is upgrading that to 15 games of Ullmark and 10 games of Bussi worth giving up on a 1st round pick and something like downgrading from Zadorov to Ian Cole?

And what if you know that Korpisalo got corrective laser eye surgery over the offseason? And what if you know that your goalie coach that has worked with three Vezina winners thinks he can work with Korpisalo?

tl;dr

 

[Irie]

.915 and .917 in seasons where he played 34 and 20 games respectively.

Those 2 years combined is fewer games than the Sens will be expecting from Ullmark this next season alone. Really not comparable at all.

Those two years were the covid shortened seasons, and Ullmark played 49% and 36% of the games, respectively.

He would have likely played 75-80% of the games if he could have stayed healthy, but that is what my point was. He'd get injured every 5-7 games playing an extra athletic style trying to make extremely difficult saves. He was pretty great but he is not durable enough to play that style regularly, and that was the main reason the Sabres didn't offer him a larger contract.

If Ottawa is going to want him to start the bulk of the games then they need to play D more like Boston does and less like Buffalo did. If they don't, then I expect him to be on the IR more than available.

 

[BostonBob]

lol fair enough. Also think it’s cool you are a Bruins fan from Van, and vice versa with me

Trust me - it's pretty easy being a Bruin fan here in Vancouver. It was a lot tougher growing up just outside Montreal and cheering for the Bruins when your family and friends all cheer for Montreal and hate the Bruins with a passion.

 

[wintersej]

tl;dr

That’s how you prove that critical thinking ability.