The Armchair GM Thread - Part XXXIII

[Crows*]

I disagree. Gillis has apparently been looking to bring in a proven centre to strengthen the middle of the ice and I think he will continue to seek out such player, through trade or free agency. The Canucks just don't have time to wait for prospects to make that jump. It would be akin to Yzerman waiting for his goaltending issues to be solved by an unproven player - a mistake.

Goc and Weiss are obvious targets that I think he will pursue. If Gillis can bring in Weiss and retain him, I think Booth will be the cap casualty. And that's a swap worth making IMO.

The Canucks have lost Hodgson and Malhotra and Ryan Kesler couldn't get through 3 periods without injuring himself. If the plan doesn't involve adding a centre, there's a big problem with the plan.

I think you can bring in weiss, and retain him next year, especially when Malholtra is off the books, Luongo is dealt (possibly in the weiss deal) and ballard is bought out or moved. Though it makes schroeder expendable.

 

[Nuckles]

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Booth
Raymond Weiss Hansen
Weise Lapiere Kassian

If we could get Weiss, I'd do

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Kesler
Booth - Weiss - Hansen/Kassian
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen/Kassian

2nd line has the Raymond - Schroeder chemistry, as well as a playmaker for Kesler. Kesler would also take all the faceoffs.

Third line is a 2b line, reuniting Booth and Weiss.

4th line is more a checking 3rd line.

 

[Crows*]

If we could get Weiss, I'd do

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Kesler
Booth - Weiss - Hansen/Kassian
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen/Kassian

2nd line has the Raymond - Schroeder chemistry, as well as a playmaker for Kesler. Kesler would also take all the faceoffs.

Third line is a 2b line, reuniting Booth and Weiss.

4th line is more a checking 3rd line.

While I like some of your ideas there, I just don't see the Canucks moving Kesler to the wing. He can still play a shutdown role on the wing, but I just don't see the canucks doing this.

 

[Nuckles]

While I like some of your ideas there, I just don't see the Canucks moving Kesler to the wing. He can still play a shutdown role on the wing, but I just don't see the canucks doing this.

I would put Schroeder on the wing, but he hasn't done well in the past when he's not playing center.
Kesler on the other hand has shown that he can play well on right wing.

 

[Tiranis]

Still think Kesler's game is more suited to the wing. Raymond has actually looked surprisingly good at centre other than in the face-off circle. If Schroeder isn't ready, which he isn't, then you could try MayRay there. Seems to give him an opportunity to use his speed more.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I disagree. Gillis has apparently been looking to bring in a proven centre to strengthen the middle of the ice and I think he will continue to seek out such player, through trade or free agency. The Canucks just don't have time to wait for prospects to make that jump. It would be akin to Yzerman waiting for his goaltending issues to be solved by an unproven player - a mistake.

Goc and Weiss are obvious targets that I think he will pursue. If Gillis can bring in Weiss and retain him, I think Booth will be the cap casualty. And that's a swap worth making IMO.

The Canucks have lost Hodgson and Malhotra and Ryan Kesler couldn't get through 3 periods without injuring himself. If the plan doesn't involve adding a centre, there's a big problem with the plan.

The plan does involve a C, just not the type you are referring to. Sutter was the only known target, and he wasn't "proven". He also hasn't been regarded as a top6 C. So where are you getting that Gillis is out for a proven top6 C?

Gillis doesn't strike me as a GM that likes to shuffle the roster too much. He will err on the side of conservatism. If I am handicapping this, I bet he tries to retain pieces first, then see what he can do in trade long term.

I'm not he's saying what he should or should not do, like you did with Schneider. I'm guessing as to what he will do. Based on what he has done, I think he falls more in line to what I'm suggesting than what you are. In other words, I would get used to Booth if I were you.

 

[David71]

trade everyone

 

[Drop the Sopel]

The plan does involve a C, just not the type you are referring to. Sutter was the only known target, and he wasn't "proven". He also hasn't been regarded as a top6 C. So where are you getting that Gillis is out for a proven top6 C?

Gillis doesn't strike me as a GM that likes to shuffle the roster too much. He will err on the side of conservatism. If I am handicapping this, I bet he tries to retain pieces first, then see what he can do in trade long term.

I'm not he's saying what he should or should not do, like you did with Schneider. I'm guessing as to what he will do. Based on what he has done, I think he falls more in line to what I'm suggesting than what you are. In other words, I would get used to Booth if I were you.

Tyler Bozak. Proven centreman Gillis was apparently after to help replace Malhotra/Hodgson.

Gillis moved Mikael Samuelsson for David Booth. Moving a veteran roster player to bring in what he feels is an upgrade is absolutely something Gillis will do. If Booth can't stay healthy or live up to his salary, he will be shown the door if an upgrade can be found.

 

[LolClarkson*]

Well I'm one of those people who listened to Gillis's comments earlier this season about losing more FA's than usual, and not replacing them with players who aren't significantly better than what we've had, at face value. I don't see the team re-signing Raymond or Higgins unless they come very cheap, and that coupled with losing one of Booth, Ballard or Luongo will allow us to get under the cap. Although at this point I would probably be up for re-signing Raymond, trading Luongo for a Bjugstad + 1st type of deal, buying out Ballard and Booth and taking a run at Corey Perry.

Buying out Ballard and Booth is never ever going to happen. If you think that should be done then you should also want to fire Mike Gillis. Those are two of his buggest stamps on this team.

Booth is still a project.

Fire Gillis ?

 

[LolClarkson*]

Well, getting them off our roster.

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Kassian (0.87)
Burrows (4.5) - Kesler (5) - Perry (7)
Jensen (0.894) - Schroeder (1*) - Hansen (1.35)
Sestito (0.65) - Lapierre (1.25*) - Weise (0.70)
Spare (0.70)

$36.114M

Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Edler (5) - Tanev (1.5*)
Garrison (4.6) - Corrado (0.6)
Spare (0.7) - Spare (0.7)

$22.2M

Schneider (4)
Lack (0.75)

Team: $63.064M

In my mind, this is a much better lineup than what we've iced this year.

again, if you minus Booth/Ballard then Mike Gillis is not your man. I'm not a huge mg supporter myself.

 

[LolClarkson*]

If you retain Raymond, Booth and Higgins you're going into next season ithout any centre depth again. I don't see Gillis making that mistake again.

Don't see any way we can keep Booth around if Raymond and Higgins are more valuable contributors for us this season. As of right now, Booth has been a huge disappointemnt in Vancouver and his days are likely numbered.

So we trade away Hodgson and then starve for centre the next year. This is bad asset managment.

 

[LolClarkson*]

While I like some of your ideas there, I just don't see the Canucks moving Kesler to the wing. He can still play a shutdown role on the wing, but I just don't see the canucks doing this.

Kes has had his time in center , he's playing too selfish. Put him on the wing. But this would make MG look like an even bigger fool for trading Hodgson so I doubt it happens

 

[Bleach Clean]

Tyler Bozak. Proven centreman Gillis was apparently after to help replace Malhotra/Hodgson.

Gillis moved Mikael Samuelsson for David Booth. Moving a veteran roster player to bring in what he feels is an upgrade is absolutely something Gillis will do. If Booth can't stay healthy or live up to his salary, he will be shown the door if an upgrade can be found.

An upgrade with those traits is unlikely to be found at a reasonable cost.

I didn't realize Bozak was a proven top6 forward...

 

[Bleach Clean]

Buying out Ballard and Booth is never ever going to happen. If you think that should be done then you should also want to fire Mike Gillis. Those are two of his buggest stamps on this team.

Booth is still a project.

Fire Gillis ?

Essentially, yes. Buying out both, or even one, puts the spotlight on Gillis. Hard to imagine he would do it. Harder still to imagine Aqua accepting it and looking upon Gillis favourably afterwards.

 

[shortshorts]

trade everyone

I swear. You provide zero substance in any of your posts.

I can't even tell if you're trolling, deciding to post zero substance posts on purpose, or doing it without noticing.

 

[Bleach Clean]

The top6 players on this team:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Raymond-Schroeder-Booth
Sestito-Lapierre-Kassian
Weise

(Schroeder and Kassian still developing too)




The top4 Dmen on this team:

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Ballard
Alberts-Barker



The #1 goalies:

Schneider-Luongo



How is this team struggling? You have 8 legit top6 forwards, 6 top4 Dmen and 2 #1s... What is happening here? Have we come to the point where you have to start bringing in 1st line players onto the 2nd line just to compensate for a weak system/coach? Is that what it has come to?

 

[David71]

I swear. You provide zero substance in any of your posts.

I can't even tell if you're trolling, deciding to post zero substance posts on purpose, or doing it without noticing.

im not "trolling".

 

[Ainec]

I heard the Oilers needed leadership

Garrison, Ballard, Malhotra for Schultz and a 1st rounder

 

[Pip]

I heard the Oilers needed leadership

Garrison, Ballard, Malhotra for Schultz and a 1st rounder

unless youre talking about Nick Schultz, then i dont see i happening. Heck, even with N. Schultz i doubt that they would do it. Maybe we could pry Hemsky out, could be great with Raymond but that package doesnt do too much to be honest.

Would trade Ballard + for Hemsky

 

[vanuck]

I heard the Oilers needed leadership

Garrison, Ballard, Malhotra for Schultz and a 1st rounder

 

[Pip]

Well, getting them off our roster.

Sedin (6.1) - Sedin (6.1) - Kassian (0.87)
Burrows (4.5) - Kesler (5) - Perry (7)
Jensen (0.894) - Schroeder (1*) - Hansen (1.35)
Sestito (0.65) - Lapierre (1.25*) - Weise (0.70)
Spare (0.70)

$36.114M

Hamhuis (4.5) - Bieksa (4.6)
Edler (5) - Tanev (1.5*)
Garrison (4.6) - Corrado (0.6)
Spare (0.7) - Spare (0.7)

$22.2M

Schneider (4)
Lack (0.75)

Team: $63.064M

In my mind, this is a much better lineup than what we've iced this year.

Is this contingent on Perry signing here as a FA? because if that is the case, it would be a stupid decision to dump a bunch of player in hopes that we sign a star player. Also the depth in that lineup is ****, if we got hit with injuries we would be in just as bad of a spot (if not worse) then we currently are.

Also very unsure that giving Corrado a roster spot next year is wise decision.

 

[Ainec]

did I have to add the

 

[vanuck]

did I have to add the

Guess I need a new sarcasm detector then!

 

[Pip]

did I have to add the

yes.

 

[LolClarkson*]

unless youre talking about Nick Schultz, then i dont see i happening. Heck, even with N. Schultz i doubt that they would do it. Maybe we could pry Hemsky out, could be great with Raymond but that package doesnt do too much to be honest.

Would trade Ballard + for Hemsky

Hemsky would be good with the Sedins. We should do what it takes to get him. Does Garrison have a NTC....