unless we have a new GM, Booth is staying. So any lineup without him is not reality
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unless we have a new GM, Booth is staying. So any lineup without him is not reality
Bleach Clean
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Yes, Garrison has an NTC. Further, Hemsky would make a poor fit with the twins, but perhaps a great fit with Kesler. All that said, to keep him, the team would have to shed Higgins and Raymond this offseason. I don't like the idea of that, not for Hemsky.
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I agree, and if i truly think a line of Raymond/Kesler/Hemsky could work out really well for us. Wouldn't mind letting Higgins go depending on what he asks for, or maybe roll with Booth and Kassian with Kesler and then Raymond/Hemsky on their own line. Could be a few options there but i dont know what Edmonton fans would want for Hemsky
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As i posted above, I would think that Hemsky would do better as a playmaker being with Kesler, possibly with Raymond/Booth. Problem is cost and the whole trading within division thing
Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Hemsky
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
or something like that
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Than you just post things with zero substance on purpose or not on purpose.
Those are even worse options than saying you were trolling.
That'll be my last post on that..
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I think Higgins/Hansen are good second liners if there is someone to carry that second line. They are for sure elite third liners though
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Great players, yes. Elite 3rd liners, yes. 2nd line players? Pushing it.
We want to stack up to the best right? That's our goal right, being best in the league?
Look at Boston's forward group. Are they more Horton or Marchand or more Peverley and Kelly?
Chicago. Are they more Sharp or Hossa or Stalberg or Bolland?
I could do the same for many other players and many other teams. Point is, we need to bring a forward that pushes our depth down, not another band-aid fix that adds to our depth.
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I agree, my point was that they are able to play on a second line, but they cannot carry a second line, the Hossa/Horton type player is needed for them to be effective. They cant be the best on that line, but they can bring grit, speed in Hansen's case, good defense and streaky scoring to the second line, but they need someone to solidify that line. I think Kesler can still be that guy, but his inability to use his teammates effectively prevents Higgins/Hansen from being effective second line players. We need a playmaker on that line to allow Kesler to be all that he can be so that he can carry a Hansen/Higgins. Internally the only guy i see ever becoming that player is Kassian, Raymond has very good vision, but i just dont see it working out as well as i would want with them. From outside, i would say Hemsky would be a great addition
Higgins might be an effective, but low-end 2nd liner.
He has more offense and better hands than most 3rd liners.
He is certainly a tweener, but he has enough skills for the 2nd line.
He has more offense and better hands than most 3rd liners.
He is certainly a tweener, but he has enough skills for the 2nd line.
They certainly have a record of producing like 2nd liners. Seems to always be a bit of a grass is greener thing going on with our wingers around here. There's more than enough Top 6 talent on this team and if AV can't get the best out of them then he has nobody to blame but himself.
There's Sedin, Sedin, Burrows and Kesler as your elite Top 4 forwards. The first 3 produce like elite 1st liners at ES and Kesler is an elite 2nd liner. Then you have guys like Booth, Raymond, Higgins and Hansen who have all shown capable of producing at least 2nd line offense and in Booth's case even 1st line.
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If we got Hemsky,I think we are right up there with the Rangers and Hawks on paper.
It looks like Hansen is taking another step this year and Sharp is taking a step backwards. Don't under sell Hansen.
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With all that depth you'd think we'd win the cup year after year, no? I agree some problems are coaching, but I think you're overrating this team a bit. A team with that many "top 6 forwards" should not have trouble scoring in the playoffs and should not be playing like an enigmatic team. We have too many tweeners and not enough high end talent.
What does Hossa have to do with it? He's a Blackhawk. That team has one first-liner in Nash and then two guys that have gone over the hill now to an extent in Richards and Gaborik (elite 2nd line material). Hagelin and Stepan are no better than Booth and Raymond, likely worse. Callahan is a much, much worse version of Burrows.
Rangers are nowhere close to as good as the Canucks, in theory or in practice.
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agreed, they are quite overrated and many of them are overpaid. Although they are amongst the best, I really like Richards (Brad moreso than Mike) but he is definently not what he is talked up to be in NY.
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agree with Richards but not with Gaborik, he is a first liner, just dry injury prone. He still has it though.I agree that we are much better than them though
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The Hawks have 4 first line players (Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp) but their depth is really bad and we have many more 2nd line/borderline 2nd line players.
I think we're pretty comparable to the Hawks overall. In top talent and in depth. The whole reason for their recent resurgence is that they finally have better depth players and depth D-men. Ones that can play their system unlike all the over-the-hill guys they had the last 2 years.
When your coach consistently forces square pegs into round holes then it's no wonder this team can't produce. Look no further than the usage of Ballard as a prime example of that. AV simply has no concept of coaching to players' strengths. He's a good big picture guy and he would do well if this game were played with clones instead of individuals.
Yet you claim Hansen, Higgins, Raymond and Booth are all proven top 6 forwards and none of them have produced as much as Tyler Bozak. Bozak has the highest career PPG of any of these players.
If you didn't realize it before, you do now.
Bozak has 6ESP this season, which is quite a bit less than Hansen, Higgins and Raymond. He had a comparable year to Higgins last season with 34 ESP but he also got to play with Kessel and Lupul. Those 4 are far more proven than Bozak.
Possession stats paint the same exact picture.
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Bozak plays with Kessel and Lupul. and Plays on the power play. Like Tirans mentioned Raymond and Hansen have outproduced Bozak 5 on 5 despite inferior line-mates.
Addison Rae
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Just got a trade centre update on my phone expected it to be Ballard, turned out to be Mike Brown for a 4 th.
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