The Armchair GM Thread - Part XXXIII

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Treefingers

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Why would we acquire Gaborik and put him on the third line? Also, isn't he a RW? I think he sometimes plays there anyway.
 

StringerBell

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Trade Schneider (as it opens more doors), and make it a three way with the Rangers for Gaborik.

The Rangers faithful seem to think he's lost it since the arrival of Nash.

His cap hit is a little scary, but if we give him someone to set him up, and someone to make room for him (Kassian...and Kassian), we could have scary depth.

Sedins-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hansen
Gaborik-Schroeder/future offensive centerman-Kassian
Sestito/Weise-Lapierre-Higgins

I mean value wise, with that contract, it would be Schneider+1st+ IMO, if we find someone that New York could move Schneider to for a replacement forward and a prospect.

Uhh, salary cap? That's gotta be at least $10M over.
 

Addison Rae

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Trade Schneider (as it opens more doors), and make it a three way with the Rangers for Gaborik.

The Rangers faithful seem to think he's lost it since the arrival of Nash.

His cap hit is a little scary, but if we give him someone to set him up, and someone to make room for him (Kassian...and Kassian), we could have scary depth.

Sedins-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hansen
Gaborik-Schroeder/future offensive centerman-Kassian
Sestito/Weise-Lapierre-Higgins

I mean value wise, with that contract, it would be Schneider+1st+ IMO, if we find someone that New York could move Schneider to for a replacement forward and a prospect.

Is this a joke?
 

Bleach Clean

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He plays RW.

Schneider ++ for Gaborik would be a disaster.

Agreed.

I don't see the VAN forward corps changing from what it is now. The changes will come from ELCs or young players brought in that advance through the system. Established NHL talent seems unlikely. The only spot might be dealing Booth for another top6 playmaker.

With salary considerations for Raymond being 3m next year, Booth at 4.2m and Higgins at 2.5m those are the spots where there is room for trade. They are also the spots where equivalent talent has to come back in order to avoid getting weaker. Ideally, if you could replace Raymond with a young top9 C, things actually look better movin forward. Easier said than done though.
 

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Agreed.

I don't see the VAN forward corps changing from what it is now. The changes will come from ELCs or young players brought in that advance through the system. Established NHL talent seems unlikely. The only spot might be dealing Booth for another top6 playmaker.

With salary considerations for Raymond being 3m next year, Booth at 4.2m and Higgins at 2.5m those are the spots where there is room for trade. They are also the spots where equivalent talent has to come back in order to avoid getting weaker. Ideally, if you could replace Raymond with a young top9 C, things actually look better movin forward. Easier said than done though.

I would be surprised to see more than 1 of Raymond, Higgins and Booth back next season.
 

Diamonddog01

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I would be surprised to see more than 1 of Raymond, Higgins and Booth back next season.

I wouldn't be.

Booth is a good 2nd liner - good for about 25 goals,excellent on the boards, has great footspeed, drives to the net hard and most importantly has great corsi/puck possession numbers. This may not be important to the average HF Boards poster but it is extremely important to the Canucks management team.

Booth will be here next year, and I'm pretty confident Higgins will be as well. He took less to stay here, obviously loves it here, and is a versatile player that can go up and down the lineup.

Raymond - I have a feeling he'll be the odd man out and will likely be offered a deal the Canucks can't, and won't match - ie 9M over 3 years or something along those lines, perhaps from a team like Winnipeg or Nashville.

Another thing - seems like people want to pick up a top 4 defenceman to play on the right side. We already did that, last summer - Garrison.

IMO the team is playing him on the left side in order to allow him to get comfortable with a complicated and new system, once he does - he'll switch to the right side along Edler (which he have not seen yet this year - he's played left side with Edler but not right).
 

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They probably could keep Raymond at 9M over 3 years, but they'll probably want to see how well he shows in the playoffs.
Be prepared to be surprised.




On another note: Ballard must be dealt. Soon. He has no place here under AV. Trade him now.

Yeah, it's idiotic how he just can't earn any leeway under this coach. A trade would be best for him and the team if they're just not going to trust him on a regular basis.
 

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Ballard isn't being treated fairly, but I believe MG is willing to try and patch up the situation and have Ballard played - not sat for a few mistakes. Anyone who has more confidence with Alberts over Ballard hates Ballard as much as AV does.

If we trade Ballard, I'd be looking to try and get a defensemen back, or a 3C.
 

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Ballard just can't remain a Canuck with AV here, he is being handled so poorly and deserves better.
 

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ballard poor guy.. is healthy tonight but got scratched in favor of alberts.... smh

The Canucks brass wanted to see a new look. It isn't removing Ballard, so much as inserting Alberts. Alberts with Garrison and new guy Sesito are the toughness element in this line-up. Is it enough?

Sesito is a player who goons, it looked like, to me. He isn't a pure goon that can't be put on the ice. Did Gillis just do a masterful Machiavellian move?

I hope this is the start of Schnieder getting the starts.

Bieksa is the de facto Captain and is old school about it, leading by example.

There is enough time to do another assessment of the team as it stands before the trade deadline on the third of April. It's very premature to say so, but I like the team right now. I think this group could be playoff ready in time and might not need further adjustment.
 

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guys......you play a bigBIG team like LA you slot in a dman who can push out their big forwards...keep them away from your goalie....thats the only reason that ballard sits...


maybe you see where Ballard will sometimes coff up the puck when pressured by a good forecheck(again LA's strength)............do think Ballard is playing much better from the first few games...

but again you put a big body in and who do you take out of the lineup???? ballards the logical choice........logically you see him in for Cgy ...and maybe out vs SJ.......then back in for a long stretch
 

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guys......you play a bigBIG team like LA you slot in a dman who can push out their big forwards...keep them away from your goalie....thats the only reason that ballard sits...


maybe you see where Ballard will sometimes coff up the puck when pressured by a good forecheck(again LA's strength)............do think Ballard is playing much better from the first few games...

but again you put a big body in and who do you take out of the lineup???? ballards the logical choice........logically you see him in for Cgy ...and maybe out vs SJ.......then back in for a long stretch

Ballard has never had problems against big teams. Speedy teams give him more trouble. Prior to Garrison's arrival he was the one guy that could actually clear the front of the net.
 

y2kcanucks

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Be prepared to be surprised.




On another note: Ballard must be dealt. Soon. He has no place here under AV. Trade him now.

Why should I prepare to be surprised? I recall a Gillis interview earlier this season (can't find it, perhaps someone else can?) where he said we may lose more free agents than usual this summer, but he's confident that we can fill those spots internally. Our UFA's are: Malhotra, Raymond, Higgins, Lapierre, Pinizzotto, Ebbett, Alberts and Barker. Out of that list I expect at most 1 or 2 will be back. Potentially one of Raymond or Higgins, and probably Lapierre.

With a lowered salary cap we can't afford to be paying $5-6M for two tweeners. It's just a luxury we really can't afford. Hopefully someone like Jensen can come in on an ELC and put up decent points in a 3rd line role, because I don't otherwise see how this team gets below the cap. And no, trading away our best goalie for nothing isn't the answer either.
 

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Uhh, salary cap? That's gotta be at least $10M over.

That "projected line up" was for this season. I'd suspect Higgins and Lapierre aren't offered higher contracts then what they have right now, and could use replacements/upgrades. It's a cap crunch, as you've alluded too.

Also, losing Ballard and a goalie, plus concievably the usual Malhotra/Raymond/Higgins/Lapierre salaries, it'd be possible, however totally unlikely...which leads me to...

Is this a joke?

About 50/50. I thought the mention of the Gaborik buying a house in Vancouver would be over the top, and I expected a little more positive/neutral feed back. Plus Gabo on the third line...
 

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What about trying to trade for someone like O'Byrne for the TDL? Right handed local boy as a spare/bottom pairing RHD. Tanev, IMO, has earned the promotion to top 4 so far this season, and if Alberts is in for Ballard after tonight...oof...
 

Addison Rae

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For the sake of Ballard I hope he gets traded, the guy is getting treated unfairly. No way a guy like Barker should be ahead of him on the depth chart. Would not be interested in O'Bryne seems like a right handed shot version of Alberts, unless we can get him for a very cheap price, I don't see a point.
 

David71

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For the sake of Ballard I hope he gets traded, the guy is getting treated unfairly. No way a guy like Barker should be ahead of him on the depth chart. Would not be interested in O'Bryne seems like a right handed shot version of Alberts, unless we can get him for a very cheap price, I don't see a point.

agreed. a.v should be out the door.
 

Askel

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What about trying to trade for someone like O'Byrne for the TDL? Right handed local boy as a spare/bottom pairing RHD. Tanev, IMO, has earned the promotion to top 4 so far this season, and if Alberts is in for Ballard after tonight...oof...

Yeah a Guy like O´byrne would be nice, a rightside depthman is a need to add at the deadline IMO. I would be fine with Adrian Aucion for depth at the deadline.
 

Bleach Clean

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Why should I prepare to be surprised? I recall a Gillis interview earlier this season (can't find it, perhaps someone else can?) where he said we may lose more free agents than usual this summer, but he's confident that we can fill those spots internally. Our UFA's are: Malhotra, Raymond, Higgins, Lapierre, Pinizzotto, Ebbett, Alberts and Barker. Out of that list I expect at most 1 or 2 will be back. Potentially one of Raymond or Higgins, and probably Lapierre.

With a lowered salary cap we can't afford to be paying $5-6M for two tweeners. It's just a luxury we really can't afford. Hopefully someone like Jensen can come in on an ELC and put up decent points in a 3rd line role, because I don't otherwise see how this team gets below the cap. And no, trading away our best goalie for nothing isn't the answer either.

Luongo is gone regardless. So that point is moot.

You will be suprised when 2 of Higgins, Booth and Raymon are back. Not because it's illogical, it clearly is, but because you can't see the logic. It's also pointless explaining it to you as to why.
 

StringerBell

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Mike Weaver from Florida would be an ideal target. Right handed with proven chemistry with Garrison.
 
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