TV: The All - Encompassing Star Trek Thread. Debate Long + Prosper

[Osprey]

Based on how much you're always posting articles from known alt-right/hate sites, one could get a different impression.

How you choose to read into things and what you have against popular entertainment news sites that I occasionally link to have nothing to do with whether I welcome discussion and respect opinions. I've also linked to known "left/woke" sites. I don't really care what I or others think of the site if an article seems interesting and worth sharing.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Spoiler: this could be interesting

The FBI officer played a time cop in Voyager! is he playing the same character

 

[Osprey]

Somehow, I missed this news last week...

Paramount is launching its NFT marketplace / metaverse / annoying marketing stunt that fans are already angry about with Star Trek non-fungible tokens (or NFTs.) The company partnered with Recur to create a platform called Paramount.xyz, which it says will “bring Paramount’s beloved entertainment entities, brands and characters to the metaverse.”

Paramount is aping what’s worked for big NFT projects in the past; the Star Trek NFTs will depict “algorithmically-generated starships” and can be purchased at the low, low price of $250 per pack.

Paramount’s new Star Trek NFTs utterly miss the point of Star Trek

Warp me to a galaxy where this doesn’t exist.

www.theverge.com

You really can make this stuff up.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

It was just a funny little thing I mentioned in passing. No one is holding it up as smoking gun. The entirety of Kurztmen Trek speaks for itself. No smoking gun required.

Re-doing the bus punk scene is just a microcosm of modern Trek's issues.

The same mentality was behind the idiotic and embarrassing re-do of the "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!" stuff in Into Darkness.

The two are not even remotely the same.

One involves a significant character from one of the best movies in the franchise, that was shoe horned into a remake, and is objectively inferior in quality.

The other is a 10th tier character that appeared for 5 seconds?? In one of the funner and less serious of the movies, and is brought back to have a bit of fun.

 

[johnjm22]

The two are not even remotely the same.

One involves a significant character from one of the best movies in the franchise, that was shoe horned into a remake, and is objectively inferior in quality.

The other is a 10th tier character that appeared for 5 seconds?? In one of the funner and less serious of the movies, and is brought back to have a bit of fun.

I didn't say they were the same.

I said the mentality behind them is the same.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Okay, officially done with Picard. If they're going to recycle specific lines, I'm out. We're now beyond homage, we're now into autocannibalism.

 

[johnjm22]

These recent episodes of Picard have cemented it as the worst Star Trek show ever. It's worse than Discovery IMO.

 

[Blender]

These recent episodes of Picard have cemented it as the worst Star Trek show ever. It's worse than Discovery IMO.

I haven't watched any as I didn't even finish season 1. I thought that was terrible enough.

 

[Mimsy]

Season 2 is some of my favorite Trek since TNG.

 

[Osprey]

Okay, officially done with Picard. If they're going to recycle specific lines, I'm out. We're now beyond homage, we're now into autocannibalism.

You're not the only one who's done after the last episode...



Please tell me that what this season has to offer isn't Picard on the toilet.

 

[Guardian17]

You're not the only one who's done after the last episode...



Please tell me that what this season has to offer isn't Picard on the toilet.

That video is right on target.

Thanks for posting it.

 

[johnjm22]

Picard season 2 is killing it with the fans.

 

[johnjm22]

The first two episodes of season 2 weren't terrible (by modern Trek standards). The reviews reflect that.

I sampled the first 20 fan reviews and there were 12 positives and 8 negatives (60% rating)

I sampled the 20 most recent fan reviews and there was only 2 positives and 18 negatives (10% rating). Quite the drop off.

 

[Osprey]

The first two episodes of season 2 weren't terrible (by modern Trek standards). The reviews reflect that.

I sampled the first 20 fan reviews and there were 12 positives and 8 negatives (60% rating)

I sampled the 20 most recent fan reviews and there was only 2 positives and 18 negatives (10% rating). Quite the drop off.

You can also see it in the IMDb user ratings:

Ep1: 8.2
Ep2: 8.2
Ep3: 7.1
Ep4: 6.4
Ep5: 6.7
Ep6: 6.3
Ep7: 5.4

 

[Jussi]

Season 2 is some of my favorite Trek since TNG.

Same here. I recall reading that production was halted due to Covid possibly multiple times and last week's episode definitely felt like one.

 

[Mimsy]

Same here. I recall reading that production was halted due to Covid possibly multiple times and last week's episode definitely felt like one.

Too much time in Picard's head last week. At least the episode finished with momentum. In a ten episode serialized drama, every moment counts (I make a huge exception for last season's Nepenthe, which was satisfying, even though it landed in a weird spot). Last week is the first episode where I was more interested in what every character other than Picard was doing, and it was a Picard-heavy episode. Still, the series has made me enjoy Trek again. Not at all a fan of the reboot films. I checked out after the first one. I have serious misgivings about DISCO, but watch every episode. I thought the convo between Picard and Renee in the previous episode accomplished in one scene what DISCO tried to do, ineffectively so, across its entire season.

I do more twitter now than HF. Many of the cast, and especially production people like Terry Matalas, are interactive and welcoming. They appreciate feedback and answer questions when they have time. There's always idiots who know only to tweet "the show sucks", while offering nothing substantive. I ignore or antagonize, depending on my mood. I've interacted with Lea Thompson and Annie Wersching from this series, and most of the 90s era Trek actors at some point in the last year or two. More fun and insightful than elsewhere.

Almost missed Doctor Who last night. I still haven't watched, but set the PVR at the last minute. Didn't even know it was airing.

 

[Jussi]

Picard season 2 is killing it with the fans.

All 320 of them.

 

[Osprey]

Same here. I recall reading that production was halted due to Covid possibly multiple times and last week's episode definitely felt like one.

The only shutdown was in January 2022, when they were filming Season 3 (not this season), and lasted only a few days. They did have to delay the start of production from June 2020 until February 2021, but that just gave the writing team a lot more time to write the season. Believe it or not, Akiva Goldsman said that they were still writing Season 2 in early 2021 (source), 8 months after they were supposed to start filming. They were originally going to start filming when they had only part of the season written, like they did with Season 1 (which Goldsman has repeatedly cited as a lesson that he learned from, which he obviously didn't). He suggested that it was a blessing to have those extra 8 months to finish writing the scripts and "be able to refine your setups once you've written your payoffs" (source). In other words, COVID was a benefit to the season and a reason why it's not worse, not an excuse for why it's not better.

All 320 of them.

I think that you're helping to make his point there.

 

[johnjm22]

All 320 of them.

Each season gets less ratings because less and less people are watching.

Same things happened with Discovery.

 

[Jussi]

Each season gets less ratings because less and less people are watching.

Same things happened with Discovery.

Before Halo, Discovery was the most watched show on Discovery.

 

[Jussi]

I think that you're helping to make his point there.

No, it says 320 people care to downvote on a website.

 

[Osprey]

Before Halo, Discovery was the most watched show on Discovery.

Before Halo, Discovery was the only show on Discovery+.

No, it says 320 people care to downvote on a website.

Actually, only 200 people downvoted it. Instead of focusing on how few that is, though, you might ask why only 120 cared to upvote it.

 

[Mimsy]

So rather than exercising our own judgment, the HF small group consensus indicates ratings sites are the ultimate arbiters of taste. So be it.

IMDB is 6.4

 

[Jussi]

Before Halo, Discovery was the only show on Discovery+.



Actually, only 200 people downvoted it. Instead of focusing on how few that is, though, you might ask why only 120 cared to upvote it.

That's not how this works! There were 10 times that number of people downloading episodes on torrent sites.

 

[Osprey]

So rather than exercising our own judgment, the HF small group consensus indicates ratings sites are the ultimate arbiters of taste. So be it.

The ratings were brought up to support an existing argument and no one is judging the series based on them. It's no different than you citing ST:TMP's ratings just now.

That's not how this works! There were 10 times that number of people downloading episodes on torrent sites.

What does that have to do with downvotes on a rating website? Acting incredulous because I addressed what you said and changing the subject isn't how conversation works.