TV: The All - Encompassing Star Trek Thread. Debate Long + Prosper

[Jumptheshark]

I still have no idea who was this 'big cameo' at of discovery. Maybe me being Canadian it was not my wheel house. But the way certain cast members are acting this person is world famous. I understand she is a politicuan, but I do not know who she is a politician in the states but beyond that no idea who she is and why some are going insane she was on the show

 

[Osprey]

I still have no idea who was this 'big cameo' at of discovery. Maybe me being Canadian it was not my wheel house. But the way certain cast members are acting this person is world famous. I understand she is a politicuan, but I do not know who she is a politician in the states but beyond that no idea who she is and why some are going insane she was on the show

Don't worry. Most Americans probably don't know who Stacey Abrams is, either. She's not that famous outside of the state of Georgia.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Don't worry. Most Americans probably don't know who Stacey Abrams is, either. She's not that famous outside of the state of Georgia.

But why are people going bat shit crazy for her? As far as I know Discovery is still filmed in Canada and the media reporting on her cameo are suggesting the whole set went nuts.

Google her cameo and how on line articles are reporting her cameo

 

[Osprey]

But why are people going bat shit crazy for her? As far as I know Discovery is still filmed in Canada and the media reporting on her cameo are suggesting the whole set went nuts.

Google her cameo and how on line articles are reporting her cameo

I've read several articles and don't see what you're referring to, but she's an activist as well as a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me if this show's cast and crew fawned over her. I doubt that she's familiar to most average Americans, though.

 

[Jussi]

Don't worry. Most Americans probably don't know who Stacey Abrams is, either. She's not that famous outside of the state of Georgia.

That was her???!!! I knew she looked familiar and I didn't have time look at the credits.

 

[Jussi]

I've read several articles and don't see what you're referring to, but she's an activist as well as a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me if this show's cast and crew fawned over her. I doubt that she's familiar to most average Americans, though.

She's kinda big in Georgia. That much I knew.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I've read several articles and don't see what you're referring to, but she's an activist as well as a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me if this show's cast and crew fawned over her. I doubt that she's familiar to most average Americans, though.

A few places are calling it the greatest cameo of all time

 

[Guardian17]

Discovery had 13 episodes this season and not a single white male crewman on Discovery except for Stamets.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Discovery had 13 episodes this season and not a single white male crewman on Discovery except for Stamets.

And.........

I am happy they cut back on gingers screen time

 

[Guardian17]

And.........

I am happy they cut back on gingers screen time

Tilly appeared in the finale.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Uhhhhhhhhhh,

So is Times Arrow non-Canonical now?

 

[Jussi]

Uhhhhhhhhhh,

So is Times Arrow non-Canonical now?

 

[Ducks in a row]

 

[Cas]

Uhhhhhhhhhh,

So is Times Arrow non-Canonical now?

Since when has "canon" ever meant anything in Star Trek?

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

Uhhhhhhhhhh,

So is Times Arrow non-Canonical now?

Pretty sure it's still canon. Just think, they are in a different timeline where the Federation never existed therefore, the Enterprise and it's crew probably never went back to the past (the 1800's) to meet Guinan. That's why she doesn't know Picard now. Pretty logical.

 

[Jussi]

Pretty sure it's still canon. Just think, they are in a different timeline where the Federation never existed therefore, the Enterprise and it's crew probably never went back to the past (the 1800's) to meet Guinan. That's why she doesn't know Picard now. Pretty logical.

Yeah, it was established early on that this is a changed timeline. Something changed, which altered the future. Guinan was not on the Enterprise in this timeline.

 

[Osprey]

Pretty sure it's still canon. Just think, they are in a different timeline where the Federation never existed therefore, the Enterprise and it's crew probably never went back to the past (the 1800's) to meet Guinan. That's why she doesn't know Picard now. Pretty logical.

Wait. After all of the anticipation for this reunion, Guinan and Picard don't even know each other? The writers brought back one of Picard's oldest and dearest friends... only to pretend that their friendship never happened?

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Yeah, it was established early on that this is a changed timeline. Something changed, which altered the future. Guinan was not on the Enterprise in this timeline.

I'm doing my best to like the show.

I know some things will have needed to change for story telling purposes, and because of the vast time difference (lol) between when TNG aired and the present.

So what's the point of bringing back all these characters and slapping the audiences across the head, sparking them to "Remember them!/That/This!!!" only to pave over those stories that made those things memorable to millions of fans. All becuase you couldn't think of something new and exciting and enrich those memories.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

@Jussi Look at Halo (The game series, not the show).

When Bungie creates Halo: Reach, they essentially threw Halo: Fall of Reach under the bus and executed it without mercy. Then they went lol, not canon.

While the game was objectively good, it destroyed a ton of canon. Specifically, it paved over canon from source material that is better written than a lot of the lore in-game (Eric Nylund is a fantastic writer).

Whne 343 took over the franchise, they went to EXTREMELY long lengths to re-merge the novels (and other franchise mediums) back into the canon. They took a Frankenstein horror show consisting of mutated knots, and tied everything back together.

They knew they had a passionate fan base that was smart, and deeply invested in the stories. So they bent over backwards and tied everything back together.

Now was it a complete success? Ehhh, as long as you don't look at things too hard the narrative tape wont fall off).

Nerds are not dumb. Nerds care deeply about the stories they read. Treat your fan base like they are intelligent and know what they want, and they won't be clawing at your door in the middle of the night to tear you a new one. I wish the show runners on Picard treated Trekkies as intelligently as other franchises do their fan bases.

 

[Tawnos]

There's an inherent contradiction in saying that "nerds are not dumb" and "treat us like we're intelligent" when you've failed to remotely understand a very simple plot by Star Trek standards and the very simple implications of that plot. The whole purpose here is to re-establish events that we know and love, including Time's Arrow.

 

[Mimsy]

Edited the twitter link below because its thread is too long.

Spoilers below if you haven't been watching.

Picard and Guinan meet in the present and reminisce as old friends. Only after the timeline disruption does young Guinan not recognize him. Trek author/consultant David Mack offered a timeline explanation on twitter:



First two episodes of Season 2 are the best Trek I've watched since the 90s. The last two episodes dragged a bit for me, with some predictable "fish out of water" beats Star Trek is inclined to revisit whenever past Earth is involved. I prefer the momentum of the first two episodes.

Allison Pill's doctor improved this season. She trended into Tilly territory in Season 1, being relegated to mostly comic relief (murdering notwithstanding). Feared she was getting the same treatment here. Pairing her with the queen, along with quieter scenes with Picard breathed life into the character. I'm fine with the Romulan sidekick being (temporarily) sidelined. Spiner returning next episode.

 

[Jussi]

I'm doing my best to like the show.

I know some things will have needed to change for story telling purposes, and because of the vast time difference (lol) between when TNG aired and the present.

So what's the point of bringing back all these characters and slapping the audiences across the head, sparking them to "Remember them!/That/This!!!" only to pave over those stories that made those things memorable to millions of fans. All becuase you couldn't think of something new and exciting and enrich those memories.

Well it seems obvious, Q is dying potentially. This is his final "prank".

 

[Lshap]

The last two Picard episodes had references to two Original Series episodes – the Jackson Roykirk Institute and Gary Seven. Made me smile, like an in-joke that passes by subtly in the background. I guess when a show has this much 'future' history to draw from, the temptation to connect dots is irresistible!

 

[johnjm22]

The last two Picard episodes had references to two Original Series episodes – the Jackson Roykirk Institute and Gary Seven. Made me smile, like an in-joke that passes by subtly in the background. I guess when a show has this much 'future' history to draw from, the temptation to connect dots is irresistible!

Making references is about the only thing this franchise has going for it anymore.

 

[johnjm22]

As expected, this show has completely fallen apart after a "good" first episode.