I googled Natalie Porman and Mila Kunis...was left not disappointed. Let's just talk about that rather than argue.
The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VII: An Ode to the Sanity of Silverfish
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Hunter Gathers
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silverfish
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Hunter Gathers
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(Keep in mind that that score was with a f***ing awful Apple MBP butterfly keyboard where I had to backspace like three words because the keys don't read properly.)
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I hate this game. I make too many mistakes and shitty results before I keep erasing things!
Machinehead
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Certain irrelevant and untrue things that they value, yes.
Do you really buy that every single bad player outworks his teammates and is the nicest guy in the world?
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No. I think there are bad players that are also not the greatest people. Why would that be the case? Because you can be skilled but still be a bad player.
I would say that most of the low skilled, bad players are likely in the league due to intangibles, though, yes.
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Machinehead
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So, once again, you're smarter than every single team in every single league in every single sport throughout all time. You can feel free to believe that influence in the locker room is meaningless and teams will continue to tell you that you're foolish.
I'm willing to say that I certainly feel it means less than the overall skill of a team. But the idea that it is "made up and/or irrelevant" is about as silly as it gets.
Machinehead
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I have to wonder if you've ever been involved in the hiring process of someone (I'm guessing you've never interviewed someone before). One of the key things in any hiring process is if someone can work with the overall team. It's vital. For example, I work on a very small team (about 7 overall people in our group depending on how you define what our group actually is). Most of us are very talented people in our fields. Yet we all work well together as a cohesive unit (and it's why we offer such a bespoke experience to our clients).
If we were to bring in someone that didn't play well within our group, it would cause chaos and work against our goals. However, even the couple of plugs that we have in our group get along well with everyone. The guy that does our billing is incredibly nice and easy to work with, even if I feel he could do a better job. I overlook his errors because he's not a prick unlike others in the business (his errors aren't so egregious as to actually cause problems, but he's what we have and it's too much of a pain in the ass to bring someone else in, teach them how our team works, and hope that they integrate as well as he has).
Sports teams are no different. The sports-to-life cliches are generally annoying, but they are also generally pretty accurate.
Honestly, what you're saying comes off as silly and completely out of touch. Not just in the context of sports, but in the context of how life in general works.
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Machinehead
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So let's say we're brain surgeons. I'm going to hire a vet because he works well with the team. f*** it if people die.
That's what signing Johnson, Komarov, Beagle, Moore etc. is like.
I'm mostly in agreement with you, but you take it to a ridiculous level.
Intense work ethic took Jerry Rice to Pro Football Hall of Fame
If you think work ethic is irrelevant for example you're not living in the real world. And yes most players in the NHL have a strong work ethic and yes a strong work ethic alone won't get you anywhere. But if you have skill and more work ethic than even the people in NHL you'll be an excellent player and a better player than a guy that has the same skill but an average NHL work ethic.
Hunter Gathers
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This is so dumb. It's painfully obvious that you don't at all get it. I think that it's also obvious that, no, you've never been involved in the hiring process at all.
Your BRAIN SURGEON (and other doctors) is going to be top of the line. Or as top of the line as you can get them, ideally. The person doing your f***ing billing (i.e. your 4th liner) doesn't have to be someone that is perfect. A team isn't just built on the very top of the line. It doesn't work like this in any industry or on any sports team.
Hunter Gathers
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His hyperbole is embarrassing and just out of touch with reality. It's really cringe-worthy.
I went to a very quantitative business school and Machinehead reminds me of a few friends of mine who were great at math but thought soft skills were bullshit and that it was all about the math. But you know what? That's what companies look for once you start moving up in the world. Communication and collaboration are extremely important in business. Any 22 year old kid with above average intelligence can put together a spreadsheet. Executives have to know how to deal with people.
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The same can be said about many folks I went to law school with.
It's simply how life works.
I do however believe that in sports hard skill is more important than soft skill. So that's why I said I agree a lot with Machinehead and probably a month ago I was arguing like him. But I thought about it lately when I discussed with Edge and I've added nuance to my stance. That said, if I'm picking top 5 and I have an opportunity to pick the leader with moderate skill or the quiet guy with lots of skill, I take the latter every time.
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The most polite version of, “see avatar,” from you yet
I think it’s fair and at least honest about Franson and his limitations. A team like Florida or LA could use him as a 3RD
Machinehead
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You can disagree with me all you want but bringing up the old arguments regarding the validity of the stats just derails the thread. You can do that in every other thread.
In here, people would like to discuss stats without defending their existence and listening to appeal to authority.
If I went into the baseball thread and started brining up basketball, I'd be told to go away.
If your argument is "the stats are wrong cause I said so" then frankly, go away. This thread exists so we don't have to do that.
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