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The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VII: An Ode to the Sanity of Silverfish

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Of course we wouldn't go after Roussel, who takes defensive usage but still has a positive impact on possession.
 
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Folks are going to scratch and claw to hang onto the character narrative, otherwise they have to admit this team can't play defense, Brady Christ and Neal Orr aren't part of the solution, and our savior Jeff Gorton has deliberately and over multiple seasons built a historically bad defense.
 
Machinehead said:
Exactly the problem.
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K, but that still doesn’t answer my question. How is he not part of the solution going forward as a 24 year old dman that can skate like he does, was our best dman in the playoffs last year, and excelled when he took over as the 1D on our team after the McDonagh deal (which you know I was against). He had a higher GAR than McDonagh last year
 
Mac n Gs said:
K, but that still doesn’t answer my question. How is he not part of the solution going forward as a 24 year old dman that can skate like he does, was our best dman in the playoffs last year, and excelled when he took over as the 1D on our team after the McDonagh deal (which you know I was against). He had a higher GAR than McDonagh last year
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If everything goes right (which it won't) he'll be nothing more than a passenger. He'll never be anything more than a passenger.

He's not an anchor by any means, but he's not what the majority of Rangers fans make him out to be.
 
Machinehead said:
If everything goes right (which it won't) he'll be nothing more than a passenger. He'll never be anything more than a passenger.

He's not an anchor by any means, but he's not what the majority of Rangers fans make him out to be.
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Sure, but want to address the points I made in my post since they’re backed by actual data? I’m not saying he’s gonna he a bonafide 1D, but to make it seem like he’s not a part of the solution going forward to improve the team is a bit silly to me.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Sure, but want to address the points I made in my post since they’re backed by actual data? I’m not saying he’s gonna he a bonafide 1D, but to make it seem like he’s not a part of the solution going forward to improve the team is a bit silly to me.
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Machinehead just being Machinehead. He looks for the negative in everything and everyone and multiplies it by 100. Unless your name is Kreider and maybe once in a while McDonagh.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Sure, but want to address the points I made in my post since they’re backed by actual data? I’m not saying he’s gonna he a bonafide 1D, but to make it seem like he’s not a part of the solution going forward to improve the team is a bit silly to me.
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I guess it depends on what you consider "part of the solution" to be. He's an ok player but he's just there. He won't change anything. He'll go as the team goes.
 
Machinehead said:
I guess it depends on what you consider "part of the solution" to be. He's an ok player but he's just there. He won't change anything. He'll go as the team goes.
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You’re saying a lot with no substance, so I’m just gonna back out here.
 
Yeah, Skjei was good post-McDonagh, but Pionk was bad. Really bad.

So. Is it fair to use the sample for one player but chalk it up to AV hockey for the other?

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I just like keeping you guys on your toes :) Love ya, @Mac n Gs

You know who was insane post-deadline? Kreider. Oh my god.
 
silverfish said:
Yeah, Skjei was good post-McDonagh, but Pionk was bad. Really bad.

So. Is it fair to use the sample for one player but chalk it up to AV hockey for the other?

I don't really have a dog in this fight, I just like keeping you guys on your toes :) Love ya, @Mac n Gs

You know who was insane post-deadline? Kreider. Oh my god.
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Yes, Pionk was horrendous, but he also was playing his first stint of NHL hockey so there’s a bit of a difference there. I’m also not a Pionk stan and will be happy if we get a good 3rd pairing guy out of him. I’m way more hopeful about ADA

Kreider good at hockey? That’s like saying the Sun is hot

And back to Pionk for a second, I said it was his usage that was brutal and driving his numbers down. He got harder usage than Ryan McDonagh did last season. Peak AV deployment.
 
Mac n Gs said:
Yes, Pionk was horrendous, but he also was playing his first stint of NHL hockey so there’s a bit of a difference there. I’m also not a Pionk stan and will be happy if we get a good 3rd pairing guy out of him. I’m way more hopeful about ADA

Kreider good at hockey? That’s like saying the Sun is hot
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Comprehensive list of players in the NHL who had a better 5v5 relCF% than Kreider post-lockout (min 200 minutes TOI):
 
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Machinehead said:
Not really sure what you want me to say :dunno:
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Well, I think the point is that post-McDonagh where Skjei was getting that 1LD usage, he performed. Which is true. So I think the question is what are you seeing that doesn't match up with what those numbers say, and why?

Again, no dog in this fight, but I am the mayor of this thread, my name is in the title, I like keeping this shit interesting but also on point.
 
silverfish said:
Well, I think the point is that post-McDonagh where Skjei was getting that 1LD usage, he performed. Which is true. So I think the question is what are you seeing that doesn't match up with what those numbers say, and why?

Again, no dog in this fight, but I am the mayor of this thread, my name is in the title, I like keeping this **** interesting but also on point.
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A player gets way better overnight with harder usage?

Short answer is: "that's some SSS shit"

Do any of us NOT see Skjei as a good second pair D right now? Please interject if you see him as something else.
 
Machinehead said:
A player gets way better overnight with harder usage?

Short answer is: "that's some SSS ****"

Do any of us NOT see Skjei as a good second pair D right now? Please interject if you see him as something else.
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Yeah there is definite sample size warning here. No question about that. And that is a good point.

I see what you see. Good 2LD. If we come out of the rebuild and Skjei-Pionk is our top pairing, meaning that either the FO believed they didn't have to do better or they couldn't do better, then this team will be bad for a decade, not three years.
 
silverfish said:
Yeah there is definite sample size warning here. No question about that. And that is a good point.

I see what you see. Good 2LD. If we come out of the rebuild and Skjei-Pionk is our top pairing, meaning that either the FO believed they didn't have to do better or they couldn't do better, then this team will be bad for a decade, not three years.
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If Mac agrees that he's a good 2LD, which I think he just might, then were arguing over the semantics of "solution"

I mean I'm glad we can have those debates in here as opposed to "should the Rangers sign this player that we agree is bad?"
 
Machinehead said:
A player gets way better overnight with harder usage?

Short answer is: "that's some SSS ****"

Do any of us NOT see Skjei as a good second pair D right now? Please interject if you see him as something else.
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Wait, this is why I’m confused. You’re saying he’s a good 2nd pairing guy now?

That’s a bit different from never being anything more than a passenger and an ok player that’s just there.
 
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