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mike14 said:
Yup, 54 pts with Gabby, Step and Cally in the high 40s.
The 08-09, 09-10 and 10-11 rangers were pretty damn terrible. They are definitely the years where it was all on Hank
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Gabby scored 22 goals that season, but I think 11 of them came in something like 3 games.

That dumb, valiant ******* in Callahan missed the postseason because he blocked a shot against the Bruins in that epic comeback in the twilight of that regular season.
 
gorangers0525 said:
Wild are the only team with crappy posession stats that I wouldn't be too surprised to see go deep in the playoffs. Unlike most crappy corsi teams, they do seem to limit scoring chances.
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This is true but when you give up a lot of attempts, all it takes is a few days of bad luck.

The puck hits this one and that one and goes in; this skate and that stick and goes in, and your season is over.
 
Machinehead said:
This is true but when you give up a lot of attempts, all it takes is a few days of bad luck.

The puck hits this one and that one and goes in; this skate and that stick and goes in, and your season is over.
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Also true. This will be an interesting playoffs for them, that's for sure.
 
Bob Richards said:
Gabby scored 22 goals that season, but I think 11 of them came in something like 3 games.

That dumb, valiant ******* in Callahan missed the postseason because he blocked a shot against the Bruins in that epic comeback in the twilight of that regular season.
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Best sports game i've ever seen live in my life :cry:.
 
haohmaru said:
Why shot attempts mean little for LA:

https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL/status/842124739111972864/photo/1
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The Kings had the BEST GF% at even strengh in 2015 and still missed the playoffs, imagine that...having the best goal differential and not making it.

But its clear as day they don't create enough quality shots and the lack of goals can't be atrtributed to 'bad luck' or anything like that.

Anze Kopitar definitely isn't the problem tho.


Kopi's WOWY Shots Taken

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I venture into this thread rarely, but I needed to share the latest AV gem relating to advanced stats. This totally makes sense that Glass plays instead because he's king corsi.

Pavel Buchnevich said:
On Buchnevich, "I would say that it's been a little inconsistent, there are some plays that I need him to make in our end, that would make his line and linemates spend less time in our zone. Consistency is one thing that he needs to work on. He is a young player, he is going to figure it out."

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/vigneaults-comments-after-practice-today/219614034
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Yeah, but close enough, right?
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Not really, it's a proxy for puck possession because you can't shoot the puck if you don't have it. It is possible to have the puck and not shoot it though (obviously), but I don't think the differences would be that drastic to make corsi/SAT% rendered insignificant.

For Buch's last 7 game stretch, he's been a slight drag on possession, but he's still positive relative to the team in xGF% and SCF%. I know AV tracks his metrics internally, but from other stats, it doesn't seem like he's been the worthy of a healthy scratch. My eyes told me he was playing some pretty damn good hockey, with the occasional hiccup here and there (that every player on the team has had). The biggest gaffe was missing an empty net.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
There's some causation there between spending time in a specific zone, and shot attempts being titled, depending on the time in that zone.
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Sure, but I think it's still murky enough of a relationship that I don't think you can really draw direct comparisons between them.

Corsi certainly​ implies zone time, but I don't think you can comfortably compare the two at this time.
 
an Girar i said:
The Kings had the BEST GF% at even strengh in 2015 and still missed the playoffs, imagine that...having the best goal differential and not making it.

But its clear as day they don't create enough quality shots and the lack of goals can't be atrtributed to 'bad luck' or anything like that.

Anze Kopitar definitely isn't the problem tho.


Kopi's WOWY Shots Taken

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how does one read these charts? Serious question
 
TheTakedown said:
how does one read these charts? Serious question
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The first graph shows where the Kings' shots are taken when Kopitar is on the ice relative to the league average. The darker the red, the more shots are coming from that area when compared to the league average. The darker the blue, the fewer the shot attempts.

The second chart is where the Kings' shots are taken from when Kopitar is not on the ice.

Essentially, these charts are showing us that the Kings are getting a high volume of shot attempts from prime locations when Kopitar is on the ice. When he's not, the Kings are mostly held to the outside.
 
just recently discovered this company. These are the next generation of analytics. They give context to shot metrics and help paint the picture why a player or team has the shot metrics/success they do.





mind literally blown at Derek 'Bricks for Skates' Stepan being on this list.

Don't really see any tweets at all about the Rangers from them and their stats aren't accessible at all either, unfortunately only thru them tweeting them.
 
eyjee said:
sportlogiq is a total blackbox. no one has any idea what some of their data even means.



What is a "scoring chance generating" play?
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The pass prior to (that facilitates) a shot/shot attempt that is categorized as a 'scoring chance', whether its by a forward or another D-man. Josi, Ellis, Subban, Eckholm etc...all great at creating offense from the backend.

These are in their infancy for sure and it would be great if they were more transparent with their stats (like backing them with some video clips being that they are new and all) and, if they were accessible, like at all...
 
eyjee said:
How do you know that?
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This guys a contributor to SportsNet and has access to SportLogiq



It's not just a primary pass/the last pass before the scoring chance that gets recorded as 'SC generating play'. Could be a great first pass out of the zone/an entry pass followed by another pass before the shots taken.

As he says, any of those types of passes in a chain where possession is clearly maintained that eventually contribute to a 'scoring chance'.

Edit: obviously I said 'the pass' in my OP when I should have said 'a pass'
 
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an Girar i said:
This guys a contributor to SportsNet and has access to SportLogiq



It's not just a primary pass/the last pass before the scoring chance that gets recorded as 'SC generating play'. Could be a great first pass out of the zone/an entry pass followed by another pass before the shots taken.

As he says, any of those types of passes in a chain where possession is clearly maintained that eventually contribute to a 'scoring chance'.

Edit: obviously I said 'the pass' in my OP when I should have said 'a pass'
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And how are they defining a scoring chance?

xG model? home plate?

Are "sc generating plays" repeatable? Is it a skill?
 
Making great exit and entry passes, and passes in general, are obviously repeatable. As is ability to carry the puck up ice like josi and Subban. Forward group has an impact but in the long run I'd have to say it's very repeatable.

Probably their own definition of one because they can track basically everything on the ice
 
an Girar i said:
Making great exit and entry passes, and passes in general, are obviously repeatable. As is ability to carry the puck up ice like josi and Subban. Forward group has an impact but in the long run I'd have to say it's very repeatable.

Probably their own definition of one because they can track basically everything on the ice
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How do you know it's repeatable? You think, or you know?
 
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