The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Ace]

I wonder if it is affecting other teams? No way Cozens and Byram haven't heard the rumors.

This is what bothers me about it being public.

At this point in another lost season…if my name was in trade rumors to get off this Pegula/Adams sunken ship I’d have a hat trick every night.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

If they want our first for Pettersson then that’s the main piece. You don’t get the 1st+ a Power or Cozens. I am actually hoping we trade our 1st for a Pettersson type player but it’s not just a secondary value piece it’s the main attraction.. like the oft rumored in the past #5 pick in 2003 for Pavol Demitra (RIP) type move…and at the end of the day calling EP a 100 point player is like calling Cozens a 30 goal scorer or Mitts a 1st line forward. You are what you produce today not 2 years ago.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Everything is rumor at this point but I read Miller was trying to force a trade to NYR and they almost had a deal and it fell through because of a disagreement with the 1st round pick.

Vancouver probably wishes it was the off season right now. I am sure they would have a different approach.

Elliotte Friedman claims J.T. Miller's potential blockbuster trade to NY Rangers "a bit more complicated" than public reports

Elliotte Friedman believes the trade involving J.T. Miller and the New York Rangers is more complicated than what has been publicly reported.

www.sportskeeda.com

I wonder if it is affecting other teams? No way Cozens and Byram haven't heard the rumors.

This is what bothers me about it being public.

Powers charts were off the chart last night, perhaps he or his agent have heard something too, and prefers to stay 100 miles from Mom rather than cross county.

 

[toddkaz]

Cozens was rumored for Kasper and Kasper has been lighting it up lately

I guess that deal fell through though.

 

[Fjordy]

Nothing new? Sad.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Nothing new? Sad.

Sabres staff is in Florida reporting to Pegula for yearly scouting meetings this week.

 

[Fjordy]

Add two Petterssons.

 

[Jim Bob]

I mean, would you? And I can see a league minimum salary for the rest of the season on some team like Vegas or Dallas and then he gets a shot at another deal in the summer.

@Ehran hit the nail on the head. Saad has earned enough in his career to rip up the deal and try and sign with a contender.

And I probably would go the route that Saad did and not go the route others have gone where they go to the AHL and continue to cash the fat checks.

If they want our first for Pettersson then that’s the main piece. You don’t get the 1st+ a Power or Cozens. I am actually hoping we trade our 1st for a Pettersson type player but it’s not just a secondary value piece it’s the main attraction.. like the oft rumored in the past #5 pick in 2003 for Pavol Demitra (RIP) type move…and at the end of the day calling EP a 100 point player is like calling Cozens a 30 goal scorer or Mitts a 1st line forward. You are what you produce today not 2 years ago.

A 3-5 overall pick does not have enough value to be the primary piece in a trade for a player like EP40.

 

[Jim Bob]

The Athletic has updated their player cards.

Hopefully Allvin & Rutherford do not have a subscription to The Athletic.

And in a mild surprise, they have JT Miller better in their current grades and even in the forecast.

 

[GrierIsGod123]

...and we wonder why we're so bad. Two of our centers are just horrendous at hockey. I cannot wait to see this team without Cozens and Krebs playing key minutes. Trading Cozens as a part of a package for EP40 would be possibly the biggest swindle in hockey history. I don't really care if it requires Bowen Byram who probably doesn't want to sign here long term anyway. Get it done by all means necessary!

 

[jc17]

The Athletic has updated their player cards.

Hopefully Allvin & Rutherford do not have a subscription to The Athletic.



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And in a mild surprise, they have JT Miller better in their current grades and even in the forecast.

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What does forecast signify here?

Is this just their way of separating actual vs expected metrics for this season?

 

[Dirty Dog]

If a player like EP is obtainable, you get him.

And then maybe, just maybe, despite being the most pressing need for nearly half a decade, your priority this offseason is getting legit veteran defenders to partner Dahlin and then whoever is remaining of Power/Byram. No bargain bins. No kids. Just go get two defensemen that play the other side can actually play defense and have had long term success in those roles

 

[Jim Bob]

What does forecast signify here?

Is this just their way of separating actual vs expected metrics for this season?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6048291/2025/01/29/nhl-player-cards-atlantic/

The cards convey how a player is performing this season and, more importantly, how he’s expected to finish the season. Each card shows a player’s current performance in each category (pro-rated to 82 games), as well as an end-of-season forecast based on projections for the remainder of the season. The projections are based on a regressed weighted average of the last three seasons where the most recent season carries the most weight and players with larger sample sizes are regressed less.

The cards will be updated the morning after any night that has five or more games on the schedule, and each individual card will display the last time they were updated.

Last updated: January 29, 2025

 

[Fjordy]

The Athletic has updated their player cards.

Hopefully Allvin & Rutherford do not have a subscription to The Athletic.



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And in a mild surprise, they have JT Miller better in their current grades and even in the forecast.

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Miller is a good player, although he is not as diligent in defense as EP40, he is just a piece of shit person, that happens. While Pettersson played better when Miller was on vacation, it may also be because he played more with Hughes than when Miller was on the team.

 

[Jim Bob]

If a player like EP is obtainable, you get him.

And then maybe, just maybe, despite being the most pressing need for nearly half a decade, your priority this offseason is getting legit veteran defenders to partner Dahlin and then whoever is remaining of Power/Byram. No bargain bins. No kids. Just go get two defensemen that play the other video can actually play defense and have had long term success in those roles

The challenge is whether the Sabres actually have what Vancouver wants.

Given that they may have been close to getting Necas+ from Carolina, they may not like the C options the Sabres are offering up as Necas is a lot better than Cozens or Krebs.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The challenge is whether the Sabres actually have what Vancouver wants.

Given that they may have been close to getting Necas+ from Carolina, they may not like the C options the Sabres are offering up as Necas is a lot better than Cozens or Krebs.

Yup, if he’s actually obtainable then get him. Might not be

 

[Fjordy]

Like these guys said go and get EP40, we have so many different assets that we can put together 4-5 great offers that almost every other team can't.

The challenge is whether the Sabres actually have what Vancouver wants.

Given that they may have been close to getting Necas+ from Carolina, they may not like the C options the Sabres are offering up as Necas is a lot better than Cozens or Krebs.

Necas is also not a center, and Canes did not have Power/Byram/good prospects F and 1st (our low, than their) Although Peterka now looks a lot like Necas.

 

[Jim Bob]

Necas is also not a center, and Canes did not have Power/Byram/good prospects F and 1st (our low, than their) Although Peterka now looks a lot like Necas.

If Vancouver liked Power or Byram that much, why did they get close to a deal with Carolina and they are just talking and talking and talking to Buffalo?

It seems obvious to me that Buffalo is either unwilling or unable to make them the kind of offer they can't refuse. People assume it is because Adams won't give up enough. But, it could also be that Vancouver doesn't love the guys the Sabres have, too.

 

[Fjordy]

If Vancouver liked Power or Byram that much, why did they get close to a deal with Carolina and they are just talking and talking and talking to Buffalo?

It seems obvious to me that Buffalo is either unwilling or unable to make them the kind of offer they can't refuse. People assume it is because Adams won't give up enough. But, it could also be that Vancouver doesn't love the guys the Sabres have, too.

If Vancouver didn't like our players (which I doubt), Adams probably wouldn't be talking. We don't know for sure and we don't have facts, but Rutherford has already said some interesting things, that it might not even be the top 6 C's they're returnk. I think Adams is greedy rather than the Canucks not liking our players/prospects/picks. That's my guess.

 

[Jim Bob]

If Vancouver didn't like our players (which I doubt), Adams probably wouldn't be talking. We don't know for sure and we don't have facts, but Rutherford has already said some interesting things, that it might not even be the top 6 C's they're returnk. I think Adams is greedy rather than the Canucks not liking our players/prospects/picks. That's my guess.

I would bet that it is the Sabres have an offer on the table that Vancouver is hoping other teams will beat because they are not in love with what Buffalo has to offer. But, they might make a deal with Buffalo if they get close to 7/1 and EP40's NMC clause kicking in. But, it isn't good enough for them to pull the trigger until they have exhausted all other potential options.

 

[Fjordy]

I would bet that it is the Sabres have an offer on the table that Vancouver is hoping other teams will beat because they are not in love with what Buffalo has to offer. But, they might make a deal with Buffalo if they get close to 7/1 and EP40's NMC clause kicking in. But, it isn't good enough for them to pull the trigger until they have exhausted all other potential options.

Or maybe there is no such offer, Dreger even said that Adams is asking for something else from the Canucks, I saw some fans who don't want to trade Cozens + Byram for EP40 and think that it's too much. We don't have any real information, we're just guessing, we don't know what Adams is offering, we don't know what exactly Alvin wants, we're just waiting and being in the dark.

 

[hizzoner]

It seems a lot of posters think taking on other team's problem children who are underperforming their contracts are good ideas. As if we have no history of doing this. What is in our management staff's bag of tricks to keep malcontents happier in Buffalo? Caveat emptor.. That does not mean not buying/trading--just look out for the magic beans we see out there...

 

[Fjordy]

It seems a lot of posters think taking on other team's problem children who are underperforming their contracts are good ideas. As if we have no history of doing this. What is in our management staff's bag of tricks to keep malcontents happier in Buffalo? Caveat emptor.. That does not mean not buying/trading--just look out for the magic beans we see out there...

Which players are we talking about?

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Rutherford says interview comments won't affect Canucks: 'This is nothing new to them'

Here in the truth business, it is hypocritical to criticize anyone for being honest. Vancouver Canucks president Jim Rutherford was being honest. But the truth can still hurt

www.sportsnet.ca

It is difficult to see how any of this helps the Canucks. But over more than three decades in NHL management — and after winning three Stanley Cups as a general manager — Rutherford has rarely been a loose cannon. He is usually purposeful and measured in what he does.

Maybe making the team more uncomfortable pushes players closer together. Or maybe making Miller more uncomfortable encourages him to further loosen his grip on the no-movement clause in his contract.

I can’t help but think that maybe this was Rutherford’s strategy and Miller will ultimately be the one traded.

I have a hard time believing Kevyn Adams could pull off an Elias Pettersson trade anyway. He seems too gun shy to pull off a big deal like that.

 

[Fjordy]

Rutherford says interview comments won't affect Canucks: 'This is nothing new to them'

Here in the truth business, it is hypocritical to criticize anyone for being honest. Vancouver Canucks president Jim Rutherford was being honest. But the truth can still hurt

www.sportsnet.ca

I can’t help but think that maybe this was Rutherford’s strategy and Miller will ultimately be the one traded.

I have a hard time believing Kevyn Adams could pull off an Elias Pettersson trade anyway. He seems too gun shy to pull off a big deal like that.

Yeah, we're just missing a better GM or a more experienced one who's done similar trades before and hasn't hesitated. While they could trade both, Miller with NMC/NTC and doesn't seem to have a good deal in sight. But they could obviously get more for EP40.