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Fjordy said:
It has been reported that they want to bring back a center in a deal, making it difficult to figure out who they would replace Pettersson with, at least temporarily.

Power/Byram
Cozens/Quinn/Peterka
Krebs
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I feel like Cozens would be going back the other way. Vancouver is going to want someone to fill the void when Pettersson is traded. Also Cozens seems like a good fit out in Vancouver much closer to home and maybe Rick Tocchet can turn him around.
 
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If we get a top 4 pick can we please move it for an established top line forward ? And I will be sick to my stomach if we draft another dman with a high pick especially another LHD.
 
Cozens and Power/Byrum

for

Petersson and ???

To be honest I am pretty much over Cozens and if some team takes him off our hands I would consider that a favor.
 
Chainshot said:
Assuming we will be disappointed soon -

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After all the reports saying that Vancouver wants a puck-moving D for either JTM or EP40.......if EP40 gets traded with no puck-moving D going back........us not getting EP40 will basically be entirely on Cozens' inability to perform this year (though frankly Norris hasn't been much better this year).
 
Zman5778 said:
After all the reports saying that Vancouver wants a puck-moving D for either JTM or EP40.......if EP40 gets traded with no puck-moving D going back........us not getting EP40 will basically be entirely on Cozens' inability to perform this year (though frankly Norris hasn't been much better this year).
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I would think that not getting Pettersson isn't going to be on any player for the reason it doesn't happen but would be the GM being unable to consummate a deal yet again.
 
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Chainshot said:
I would think that not getting Pettersson isn't going to be on any player for the reason it doesn't happen but would be the GM being unable to consummate a deal yet again.
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If we don't get EP40 because Kevyn didn't want to trade Cozens........................................

Now, I completely understand why Vancouver wouldn't want Cozens (or Norris). But we've got 2 puck-moving LHDs that Vancouver should covet and a BOATLOAD of attractive young players that Vancouver should want.

There really isn't much of an excuse, assuming that EP40 really does get traded (and again -- I've got ZERO idea why Vancouver would be trading him), other than that Kevyn is too attached to the players in this locker room and the young kids he drafted.
 
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Zman5778 said:
If we don't get EP40 because Kevyn didn't want to trade Cozens........................................

Now, I completely understand why Vancouver wouldn't want Cozens (or Norris). But we've got 2 puck-moving LHDs that Vancouver should covet and a BOATLOAD of attractive young players that Vancouver should want.

There really isn't much of an excuse, assuming that EP40 really does get traded (and again -- I've got ZERO idea why Vancouver would be trading him), other than that Kevyn is too attached to the players in this locker room and the young kids he drafted.
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We have a lot of proof that Adams is too attached to his players since he's tried to rely upon three kids to be his 2nd line for 2 years running with disasterous results. We have proof because his public comments are that he's expecting to have to pay them - even though their play has not warranted it - and therefor hides behind those future deals for further reasons why he takes no action in the now. I haven't seen someone this attached to their own picks since Bowman.
 
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Chainshot said:
We have a lot of proof that Adams is too attached to his players since he's tried to rely upon three kids to be his 2nd line for 2 years running with disasterous results. We have proof because his public comments are that he's expecting to have to pay them - even though their play has not warranted it - and therefor hides behind those future deals for further reasons why he takes no action in the now. I haven't seen someone this attached to their own picks since Bowman.
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Adams f***ing idiot.
 
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I think Pegula (and Adams) has cost certainty right now (mostly) going forward. I think EP40 adds a solid $10mil cash hit going forward…that’s one of the big hold ups here because if he’s really available, and the Sabres really want him….no matter how “too much” you think it is….a Cozens, Byram and a top 3 protected first start has gotta be super hard to beat, especially because it wouldn’t be hard to sweeten that too.

If they really want him….
 
I would have no problem trading our 1st even without protected, but I think it is a valuable asset and the deal could have looked different.
 
The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.
 
Zman5778 said:
I don't think I'd do a 2025 1st with no protection, given how high that pick is likely to be. But, I'd do a 2026 1st unprotected with zero hesitation.
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I would think so, but then again the Canucks wouldn't get any other good part because this 1st is currently in the top 3, and that's potentially Hagens or Misa. You just have to find a compromise and outbid other teams. Although it's possible Alvin will look at players who can help him now, I hope he doesn't insist on Kulich.
 
TehDoak said:
The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.
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I think he can just talk to Dahlin. You can't make excuses not to trade for a player like that, so you have to show him in the offseason that you're serious about the playoffs. But not just him, everyone, Dahlin, Thompson, Tuch, I just think they're going to be gone after '25-'26 if they miss the playoffs again and have a top-10 season.
 
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TehDoak said:
The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.
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Hockey players don’t hold out, so I wouldn’t expect this.
 
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TehDoak said:
The problem with a potential any EP40 deal is he has a full NMC starting next year.

He also is paid 10M in signing bonus next year with 4.5M in actual salary.

So there is a not impossible scenario in which we trade for him, he plays out the year, collects his signing bonus....and then says "trade me to one of these 5 teams" and sits on his signing bonus and waits for a deal to be done. The potential of losing 4.5M is tiny compared to his 92M total contract. And the Sabres would need to swap the asset fast as they need to make the playoffs, so they'd likely be taking a big loss asset wise and a 10M cash hit for their time.

So, before any deal gets done, the Sabres would need to speak with his agent and get his interest in actually coming here, because its likely he is probably salty about how things turned out in Vancouver after signing an 8 year deal.
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We've already done the "players who want to be here" thing. Still haven't made the playoffs.
 
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