The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

ValJamesDuex

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This team has no true/good centers (other than McLeod) and one reason why the PP sucks.

Get a true center for Byrum, like the one you traded him for.

Trade Lafferty or Krebs for something and get Kozak up here.
 
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Dubi Doo

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I want them all gone, all, of them.
Most fans are probably tired of wasting money on this core. They constantly shit the bed at home, and now they're trying to replicate their losing streak under Krueger. This core is incredibly unlikeable. I lean toward a retool, but then I lean further toward a complete tear down because I'm tired of looking at their faces, haha.


It's over, bud. We don't need any more word salads from these players. We all know they aren't going to dig deep for wins. They're on an 11-game losing streak. They're a poorly built team who lacks heart. That's the only way you hit a losing streak that bad.
 

Dubi Doo

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There are some well known shortcomings in the roster, but there's no way they should be 2 points from last in the entire league 32 games into the season.
They wanted more accountability and folded under the pressure. They were already mentally fragile. The fans hurt their feelings plenty of times. Ruff wanted so badly to turn this ship around, but the players don't want it half as bad, and that's why they're sinking this low.
 

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Cozens+ for Petterson, Byram for a true top 4 D or top 6 winger. Futures trade for the top 4/6 player Byram was not used for. Throw in something to grab Kaako too he is great 5v5. Players that need to be gone: Joker, Samuelsson, Bryson, Krebs, Kulich (sorry I am using you for a trade), Peterka is officially off of my don't trade list.

Tear down is not smart. Pushing the young kids who can't play defense down is the idea. Start planning for 2025 now since it takes so God damn long to make a move.
 
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Jim Bob

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Cozens+ for Petterson, Byram for a true top 4 D or top 6 winger. Futures trade for the top 4/6 player Byram was not used for. Throw in something to grab Kaako too he is great 5v5. Players that need to be gone: Joker, Samuelsson, Bryson, Krebs, Kulich (sorry I am using you for a trade), Peterka is officially off of my don't trade list.

Tear down is not smart. Pushing the young kids who can't play defense down is the idea. Start planning for 2025 now since it takes so God damn long to make a move.
Why would other GMs make those trades with the Sabres?

Would Buffalo trade Tage to Anaheim for Zegras+ right now?
 
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I know I may have an unpopular take but I don't want them to do any big trades. Just develop players and try to sign free agents. Stop trading away good players to fill one need only to create a bigger one on halfassed "we have to do something!"-moves.

Try to get back to what worked earlier in the season and hope we can get the developments of Peterka, Cozens and Quinn back on track. Trading one of the only always functional parts like Tuch is only going to ensure every promising player we have turn out for the worst, and cement the franchise as the worst never-contending destination for FA's.

Dahlin is injured. Many teams would be in a world of hurt without their #1D and Buffalo relies on him more than most teams.
 

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Why would other GMs make those trades with the Sabres?

Would Buffalo trade Tage to Anaheim for Zegras+ right now?
Why would a GM make a trade? Because hockey? Did I say today? I said plan for 2025. It can be deadline, or offseason, or if the mood strikes here and now. Petterson is unhappy, those trades are always 1 player for 3 pieces or so. VAN gets rid of someone who wants out and can get 3 good assets. Obviously he isn't being moved during season, someone else might be.
 

Jim Bob

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Why would a GM make a trade? Because hockey? Did I say today? I said plan for 2025. It can be deadline, or offseason, or if the mood strikes here and now. Petterson is unhappy, those trades are always 1 player for 3 pieces or so. VAN gets rid of someone who wants out and can get 3 good assets. Obviously he isn't being moved during season, someone else might be.
I doubt EPete forces his way out of Vancouver to come to Buffalo. He has started playing better lately and I doubt they move him.

And there is no hockey reason for them to move EPete for Cozens + whatever you were thinking. Plus, with the Sabres so committed to the rebuild through the draft, they aren't giving up a top 5 pick in the 2025 Draft in a trade.

There is no hockey trade around Cozens for EPete that makes any sense for Vancouver.

Trading a 1C like EPete for 3 pieces is the Eichel trade. And that has not worked out for Buffalo.
 

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Cozens+ for Petterson, Byram for a true top 4 D or top 6 winger. Futures trade for the top 4/6 player Byram was not used for. Throw in something to grab Kaako too he is great 5v5. Players that need to be gone: Joker, Samuelsson, Bryson, Krebs, Kulich (sorry I am using you for a trade), Peterka is officially off of my don't trade list.

Tear down is not smart. Pushing the young kids who can't play defense down is the idea. Start planning for 2025 now since it takes so God damn long to make a move.
Just one small thing ... why would the other teams make these trades? Who is trading a true 1C for Cozens+ unless that plus is Power or Byram? I agree about Kaako, that'd be a great target for building a strong 3rd line with McLeod and another vet.

They're royally screwed with this core because Tage can hardly play Center, Cozens is historically bad at his cap hit, Tuch is a middle sixer, Peterka & Quinn are folding/stagnating and can't seem to play in Lindy's system and Benson is simply too young and should be developed on line 3. They basically don't have a single player they can count on to score when times are tough. Just look at Tage and Tuch's production during this streak...it's embarrassing that these are our first liners. We basically have every single player playing in a role they're not suited for or talented enough to handle. As I've been saying for far too long, they all truly have the anti-clutch gene and cannot rise to the occasion more often than not. It cannot be a coincidence at this point. The lesson here should be never sign a core long-term that hasn't proven they can be good in games that matter.

Lastly, I'm basically willing to trade anyone outside of Dahlin, Benson and probably Power (I know he's been a bit rough). I'd prefer to keep McLeod considering what we gave up and he's good in the right role (will he want to stay is another question? He looks miserable here). With Dahlin out, we can now see how he's far and away our best player and only elite talent. I shutter to think what he'd do in a real organization with real 1st liners on a PP. I'd also lean towards keeping Quinn simply because his value is very low atm and I think he has potential to be a good top 6 winger. I do think they need to trade one of him or Peterka and at least two others in this current core group (I'd lean towards Peterka/Cozens/Tuch being gone). Goalies I have no idea what to do there. I don't think either of them are very good and certainly not ready to be a No. 1 goalie on a good team with expectations.

According to reports, Byram wants to be a 1D wherever he signs long term. Maybe it's time to find a team that really wants him and is willing to give up a lot. That trade is looking extremely regrettable until we see what they can get in return for him. I highly doubt he'd sign here long-term any way. I'd also be looking to buyout Samuelsson this offseason at 1/3 or see if anyone will take the bait. They need to find two top 4 defensive d-men, stop trying to have a team of all puck movers. I don't think we have anyone in the system that is remotely close to this. Mostly third pairing-type prospects in R. Johnson, N. Novikov, etc.

Whomever becomes GM needs to look for the Gratton for Briere or Warrener for Drury trades. Not sure if moves like that still exist but that needs to be the idea. This group will never be good enough and anyone with eyes can see that.
 

Jim Bob

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Just one small thing ... why would the other teams make these trades? Who is trading a true 1C for Cozens+ unless that plus is Power or Byram? I agree about Kaako, that'd be a great target for building a strong 3rd line with McLeod and another vet.

They're royally screwed with this core because Tage can hardly play Center, Cozens is historically bad at his cap hit, Tuch is a middle sixer, Peterka & Quinn are folding/stagnating and can't seem to play in Lindy's system and Benson is simply too young and should be developed on line 3. They basically don't have a single player they can count on to score when times are tough. Just look at Tage and Tuch's production during this streak...it's embarrassing that these are our first liners. We basically have every single player playing in a role they're not suited for or talented enough to handle. As I've been saying for far too long, they all truly have the anti-clutch gene and cannot rise to the occasion more often than not. It cannot be a coincidence at this point. The lesson here should be never sign a core long-term that hasn't proven they can be good in games that matter.

Lastly, I'm basically willing to trade anyone outside of Dahlin, Benson and probably Power (I know he's been a bit rough). I'd prefer to keep McLeod considering what we gave up and he's good in the right role (will he want to stay is another question? He looks miserable here). With Dahlin out, we can now see how he's far and away our best player and only elite talent. I shutter to think what he'd do in a real organization with real 1st liners on a PP. I'd also lean towards keeping Quinn simply because his value is very low atm and I think he has potential to be a good top 6 winger. I do think they need to trade one of him or Peterka and at least two others in this current core group (I'd lean towards Peterka/Cozens/Tuch being gone). Goalies I have no idea what to do there. I don't think either of them are very good and certainly not ready to be a No. 1 goalie on a good team with expectations.

According to reports, Byram wants to be a 1D wherever he signs long term. Maybe it's time to find a team that really wants him and is willing to give up a lot. That trade is looking extremely regrettable until we see what they can get in return for him. I highly doubt he'd sign here long-term any way. I'd also be looking to buyout Samuelsson this offseason at 1/3 or see if anyone will take the bait. They need to find two top 4 defensive d-men, stop trying to have a team of all puck movers. I don't think we have anyone in the system that is remotely close to this. Mostly third pairing-type prospects in R. Johnson, N. Novikov, etc.

Whomever becomes GM needs to look for the Gratton for Briere or Warrener for Drury trades. Not sure if moves like that still exist but that needs to be the idea. This group will never be good enough and anyone with eyes can see that.
Even that would be tough for another GM because of the cap implications.

Cozens at $7.1M + Power at $8.35M is almost $15.5M against the cap. Byram is at $3.85M this year, but he will likely want the Power deal after the season.

EPete is at $11.6M. So, that is adding almost $4M against the cap for Cozens+Power for Vancouver. With Boeser hitting UFA after this year and Demko hitting UFA after next season, they may value that cap space to keep their guys as opposed to trading for young guys that are struggling and already have big cap hits.
 

joshjull

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Not surprising. Dahlin was a physical monster last season and hasn't played much physical this season (probably because of his back). Sammy is also injured. Greenway is injured. There are a lot of kids on the roster who don't play physically, etc.
I’d add to that NAK/Lafferty have missed time due to injuries and benching. Beck got sat for a couple games as well.

The much talked about 4th line built in the offseason has hardly played together. Only 28mins total. It seemed like an intriguing tool to have but its never really been used.
 

Fjordy

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I doubt EPete forces his way out of Vancouver to come to Buffalo. He has started playing better lately and I doubt they move him.
Read Canucks fans, there seems to be some conflict between Pettersson and Miller, so I wouldn't be surprised if one of them gets traded. But you're right about the second one, Cozens isn't nearly as valuable, so it would have to be Power or Byram in addition.

I know I may have an unpopular take but I don't want them to do any big trades. Just develop players and try to sign free agents. Stop trading away good players to fill one need only to create a bigger one on halfassed "we have to do something!"-moves.

Try to get back to what worked earlier in the season and hope we can get the developments of Peterka, Cozens and Quinn back on track. Trading one of the only always functional parts like Tuch is only going to ensure every promising player we have turn out for the worst, and cement the franchise as the worst never-contending destination for FA's.

Dahlin is injured. Many teams would be in a world of hurt without their #1D and Buffalo relies on him more than most teams.
No thx. We have already passed the point of no return, when it was possible, we need a different strategy. Development is over. This team doesn't put in the effort even under Lindy Ruff, stop coddling the young players when you all wake up from your shit sleep.
 
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MOGlLNY

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God damn do I feel bad for our writers (Minus PHam and Mike Harington) just eating the shit for work every god damn day every god damn year. They don't have the opportunity to tune out and they have to see fans in their replies who are ultra toxic.

Keep:

Tage
Benson
Dahlin
UPL

Everybody else can hit the road.
 

joshjull

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God damn do I feel bad for our writers (Minus PHam and Mike Harington) just eating the shit for work every god damn day every god damn year. They don't have the opportunity to tune out and they have to see fans in their replies who are ultra toxic.

Keep:

Tage
Benson
Dahlin
UPL

Everybody else can hit the road.
You sneaky bastard, adding players to keep after I already liked your post. :laugh:
 

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