The 2024-2025 Roster Thread

[Fjordsen]

Coincidence or not that Norris is another player from the usntdp from when Crowe worked there?

Well he also knows Appert and Seth even met him at the airport after trade.

But for me it doesn't matter that much, he seems like a good player and a good teammate and friend judging by Tkachuk's reaction.

 

[BFLO]

The history of guys in that 6-10 range is riddled with the Gilbert Brule's and James Sheppard's of the NHL.

The bigger issue is causing Reinhart and Eichel to f*** off which we've hashed out plenty. But for a top 10 forward pick to not be great is nothing new to this league. They tend to get pushed into bad lineups too soon regularly. At least they don't have a Scott Glennie or Michael Dal Colle in their mix of picks so far. So far.

Sure. But missing on all 5 guys drafted 7th-12th has got be unique. First, because no one has ever drafted that many times in that range in such short succession, and also for batting 0.000

Closest comparable might be the Leafs as far as drafting high? But they came away with Kadri and Nylander as hits within that range.

Where's our good to star player drafted in that 7-12th range? Rantanen? Clayton Keller? Necas, Suzuki? Quinn Hughes? Boldy? Rossi? Kadri, Nylander?

 

[Fjordsen]

Sure. But missing on all 5 guys drafted 7th-12th has got be unique. First, because no one has ever drafted that many times in that range in such short succession, and also for batting 0.000

Closest comparable might be the Leafs as far as drafting high? But they came away with Kadri and Nylander as hits within that range.

Where's our good to star player drafted in that 7-12th range? Rantanen? Clayton Keller? Necas, Suzuki? Quinn Hughes? Boldy? Rossi? Kadri, Nylander?

Mitts? He finally started playing well, although he was obviously rushed with his development. Although I think it is not news that this organization does not know how to develop young players.

 

[joshjull]

I know people like to bag on Sammy. But this take and the others like it on Sabres twitter are not dealing with the reality of the situation. Dmen try not to get involved to keep the faceoff in the zone.

The only spectator that should have engaged but didn’t was the usual suspect CP Peterka. He could have been there immediately but floated away. It took Tage coming from a ways away to give Norris help.

 

[Chainshot]

Sure. But missing on all 5 guys drafted 7th-12th has got be unique. First, because no one has ever drafted that many times in that range in such short succession, and also for batting 0.000

Closest comparable might be the Leafs as far as drafting high? But they came away with Kadri and Nylander as hits within that range.

Where's our good to star player drafted in that 7-12th range? Rantanen? Clayton Keller? Necas, Suzuki? Quinn Hughes? Boldy? Rossi? Kadri, Nylander?

This team has more in common with the 2000's Blue Jackets than anyone else. Sure, some teams have had those guys, some however regularly do not. They've done this systemically through two management teams - Botterill and Adams - where they rush to get players signed and/or rush to push them into the lineup. And I would assert they have had terrible coaching at the NHL level too which hasn't helped. But I've had the feeling for a while that this is like early CBJ than anything else.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

I know that there's a inflation worldwide but 2016 8OA turned 4 rounder in 2026?

 

[Fjordsen]

I know people like to bag on Sammy. But this take and the others like it on Sabres twitter are not dealing with the reality of the situation. Dmen try not to get involved to keep the faceoff in the zone.

The only spectator that should have engaged but didn’t was the usual suspect CP Peterka. He could have been there immediately but floated away. It took Tage coming from a ways away to give Norris help.

Our captain just got involved in it against Tampa with Cernak. I think everyone should be involved, that's the point of team cohesion. We don't have that, they don't even try. And I'm not saying he should go punch a Florida player, but he should help if needed. I see these issues all the time in almost every game, Tage situation, Dahlin situation in the Tampa game twice, right now.

 

[joshjull]

Our captain just got involved in it against Tampa with Cernak. I think everyone should be involved, that's the point of team cohesion. We don't have that, they don't even try. And I'm not saying he should go punch a Florida player, but he should help if needed. I see these issues all the time in almost every game, Tage situation, Dahlin situation in the Tampa game twice, right now.

Our captain was at our net. He didn’t come in from the blue line. In the Dahlin incident there was no excuse for any of the 4 other players not to get involved.

EDIT: I get what you’re saying and generally agree. But it’s predictable how a whipping boy like Sammy gets attacked but CP Peterka gets a pass. Peterka ignoring the situation was far more egregious and embarrassing.

 

[Fjordsen]

Our captain was at our net. He didn’t come in from the blue line. In the Dahlin incident there was no excuse for any of the 4 other players not to get involved.

EDIT: I get what you’re saying and generally agree. But it’s predictable how a whipping boy like Sammy gets attacked but CP Peterka gets a pass. Peterka ignoring the situation was far more egregious and embarrassing.

No, I was talking about Dahlin's first moment with Cernak, not near our net, but near Tampa's board.

I say this about every player on the team, including Peterka. Everyone must be involved.

 

[joshjull]

No, I was talking about Dahlin's first moment with Cernak, not near our net, but near Tampa's board.

I say this about every player on the team, including Peterka. Everyone must be involved.

Oh ok. Thats also situation where there was no excuse for the other 4 skaters not to get involved.

What Sammy did on that play is about as standard as it gets. There a lot of scrums in every game where the 3 attacking forwards push/shove after the whistle with the 5 defenders. The 2 dmen usually dont get involved unless it escalates beyond that. That goes for any team.

The problem with that play for us was only 2 of our 3 forwards got involved. CP Peterka stayed out of it.

 

[Ace]

Huh. Hmm. Really?

 

[Fjordsen]

Oh ok. Thats also situation where there was no excuse for the other 4 skaters not to get involved.

What Sammy did on that play is about as standard as it gets. There a lot of scrums in every game where the 3 attacking forwards push/shove after the whistle with the 5 defenders. The 2 dmen usually dont get involved unless it escalates beyond that. That goes for any team.

The problem with that play for us was only 2 of our 3 forwards got involved. CP Peterka stayed out of it.

I understand that this happens a lot, but it's a reaction from the players, it can flare up quickly and just Tage going there, for me it's a big red flag that the team players first ignored the Tage and Noesen episode and then failed to help the captain several times. We need to change the identity of the team, this should not happen. This whole youth movement is not working, there are not enough guys with grit and heart, there is not enough anger. What a mentally weak, melancholic team.

 

[Djp]

Same GM he’s always been? Not for me.

He was all about the youth. Not bringing in vets to block anyone. Players playing through the mistakes and learning on the go. That wasn't working anymore

He didnt want to overpay for UFAs or acquire future anchors

Since that presser

He hired the vet coach he felt we needed.

He traded a top prospect in Savoie for an NHL player at a position we needed to address.

His approach was to draft players and then to use to fill needs....but notice tjr ahe of McLeod--he was we within the age range of the team at 24 at start of this season

He brought in Zucker to address the leadership issue. And now has resigned Zucker and Greenway realizing the team needs more vets like them.

He realizes his core wasn't right and hes beginning to re-shuffle. Its Cozens now and Im expecting more in the summer.

You can hate how he’s done this job overall. But I do think he’s been better the past year.

This summer will definitely be his last go of things dont improve next yr. For all our sakes, hopefully he gets it right.

It will be interesting th o sed what happens because the sabres could be close to the cap.

I do expect some trades

I'm VERY interested to see what the Offer sheet numbers look like. If we are seeing a cap rise of 8.5% from 88 to 95.5M, a straight adjustment of the offersheet numbers is interesting:

Specifically, essentially a just below 5M AAV is only a 2nd round.

A 7.45M AAV deal is now just a 1st and a 3rd.

Do you think the Sabres want to pay Peterka just shy of 7.5M a year?

Do you think the Sabres would trade Peterka for a 1st and a 3rd from a contender who is going to draft in the late 20s every year?

This could be a big problem for cheap owners this summer

I think the sabres match on Peterka unless its the 2 1sts+ comp

Quinn is the interesting one because the Sabres could be cap tight where someone could come in with a max 2nd comp offer on Quinn like st louis did

Who's got the numbers on largest roster turnover in one off-season? Trying to give myself hope while staying within the fringes of reality

I heard boston between yesterday and thr president's trophy team of 22/23 that they had 5 players left out of the 23.

Saw this posted on reddit and was rather shocked by it.

Jack Quinn is the only forward in the Sabres system drafted within the top 12​

I was shocked last night when someone pointed out that Quinn was the highest drafted forward on the team (8th overall).

I started thinking about it more and realized he’s the only guy they have in their entire system drafted in the top 12 picks.

The next closest is Zach Benson at pick 13 and Rosen / Helenius at pick 14.

Sabres top 10 forward picks since the drought began:

Reinhart / Eichel / Nylander / Mittelstadt / Cozens / Quinn / Savoie

What that group turned into:

Your point ???

The traded nylander for Joker-' got value there
Savoie for McLeod
Cozens for Norris

Forced to trade Eichel and Reinhart

This year they have a top 10 pick and draft a F

 

[BFLO]

Mitts? He finally started playing well, although he was obviously rushed with his development. Although I think it is not news that this organization does not know how to develop young players.

Mitts is a disappointment, but not a bust. You'd like more than "almost scored 60 points 2 years in a row before regressing to a 45 point player" out of 7th overall in his 8th season.

 

[TehDoak]

Forced to trade Eichel and Reinhart

We were forced to trade them because they were sick of losing.

If we had a competent front office and owner, they'd still be here and part of the winning.

This is like saying someone was forced to cut off a foot after they shot themselves in the foot repeatedly.

 

[Ace]

The real story about having one top 12 pick at forward on the team is how bad the defense is with 3 top 4 picks at D.

 

[Djp]

We were forced to trade them because they were sick of losing.

Thats Adam's fault?

If we had a competent front office and owner, they'd still be here and part of the winning.

Eichel still get injured and want this unapproved surgery still would have seen him traded

 

[brian_griffin]

I'm pleased with the Greenway and Zucker extensions.
I'm fine with the Cozens-for-Norris trade.
Joker wasn't going to be here, so fine moving him.
Other trades (NAK, etc.) no issues.
Returns will be what they will be.

I expect Byram, Quinn, Peterka, and JBD all to be extended given they lack arbitration rights.

But when will it feel like there's a proper set of green army men on the Sabres and not extra guys with binoculars and a Colt 1911, no one kneeling with a mortar, only one guy heaving a hand grenade, and the two guys with the tripod machine gun are busted?

Feels like the Sabres remain a collection of pieces / parts and not a team.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Did they let Bernard-Docker across the border yet ?

Will be interesting if they can get lucky for once between Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom, and Johnson they might either find a partner for Dahl's/Power and or rebuild the bottom pair (Joker gone, Samulesson, Clifton, Bryson hopefully moved on this summer ). But I'm not expecting much either.

Competant , veteran, top 4 RD still at the the top of the list - YEAR FOUR!

 

[OkimLom]

Did they let Bernard-Docker across the border yet ?

Will be interesting if they can get lucky for once between Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom, and Johnson they might either find a partner for Dahl's/Power and or rebuild the bottom pair (Joker gone, Samulesson, Clifton, Bryson hopefully moved on this summer ). But I'm not expecting much either.

Competant , veteran, top 4 RD still at the the top of the list - YEAR FOUR!

Year Four? Hell, that’s been a need while Risto was here.

 

[nickdawg95]

Huh. Hmm. Really?

"Ohhh but i don't want to trade assets for any player over 28" - HFSabres for the past 10 years

 

[nickdawg95]

I know people like to bag on Sammy. But this take and the others like it on Sabres twitter are not dealing with the reality of the situation. Dmen try not to get involved to keep the faceoff in the zone.

The only spectator that should have engaged but didn’t was the usual suspect CP Peterka. He could have been there immediately but floated away. It took Tage coming from a ways away to give Norris help.

its contagious this wimpiness. the mindset is... why am i going to lay my body on the line for you if you won't do it for me. if i was the coach i'd sit anyone on the ice who wasn't in that scrum. that's not how you build team chemistry for a team that trying to end the drought. if you don't think so you've probably never played high level sports. not just hockey anything. football basketball etc. the best teams fight tooth and nail for each other, all of them.

 

[nickdawg95]

I know people like to bag on Sammy. But this take and the others like it on Sabres twitter are not dealing with the reality of the situation. Dmen try not to get involved to keep the faceoff in the zone.

The only spectator that should have engaged but didn’t was the usual suspect CP Peterka. He could have been there immediately but floated away. It took Tage coming from a ways away to give Norris help.

sorry ras about you getting jumped and me not doing anything, i was just trying to keep the faceoff in zone...... hope you understand with our playoff hopes alive and all....

you leave me out to dry like that and i'm thinking 2 things

One - this guys must not like me / have my back

two - this guys a p***y

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Did they let Bernard-Docker across the border yet ?

Will be interesting if they can get lucky for once between Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom, and Johnson they might either find a partner for Dahl's/Power and or rebuild the bottom pair (Joker gone, Samulesson, Clifton, Bryson hopefully moved on this summer ). But I'm not expecting much either.

Competant , veteran, top 4 RD still at the the top of the list - YEAR FOUR!

It’s the weekend. They’re not gonna clear his visa yet. Especially seeing he’s Canadian.

Playing a game in the US doesn’t count as employed in the US, even though he makes money doing it. Because his employer was Ottawa or Belleville. Now his employer is American, so he needs an American work visa. But it will be fast tracked, so he’ll join the team this week.

 

[BFLO]

Did they let Bernard-Docker across the border yet ?

Will be interesting if they can get lucky for once between Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom, and Johnson they might either find a partner for Dahl's/Power and or rebuild the bottom pair (Joker gone, Samulesson, Clifton, Bryson hopefully moved on this summer ). But I'm not expecting much either.

Competant , veteran, top 4 RD still at the the top of the list - YEAR FOUR!

This upcoming offseason will be Adams 6th as GM, not his 4th.