Prospect Info: The 2023 NHL Entry Draft Thread

[Been around]

Orville Redenbacher

Is this a real name? Sounds like a popcorn guy for the pressbox

 

[surixon]

Aside from drafting Connor as an obvious pick and lucking out on Samberg and Helly what other US draft pick has really stood out with Chevy’s 12 years of drafting Merikans?

if our US scouting is/was is so good, where are these guys, 12 Chevy drafts now and 3 US born guys he drafted on the roster (well 2 really, waiver wire level talent Appleton isn’t exactly a feather in Chevys cap)

Copp and Roslovic have had good careers. I guess Poolman has also had a career as a depth dmen.

But some of our most impactful players have still been Canadian in Scheifele, JoMo snd soon to be Perfetti. It seems our American guy was better at finding depth later in the draft.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I read from Murat in The Athletic recently, and he hypothesized the Jets could approach it this way:

“Maybe the Jets run Morrissey, DeMelo, Samberg, Dillon, Pionk and Schmidt next season. Maybe they don't mind putting Heinola in the AHL again - it's certainly their right. Maybe they're afraid of losing Chisholm to waivers and afraid to lose Stanley in any form so the Jets rotate those two players in from the press box, keeping eight defencemen on the roster in the most risk-averse offseason approach possible. If that happens then Capobianco seems like the most likely player out.”

And while I would be a bit bored by this, I am greatly interested in hearing (reading) your thoughts on this. And, of course, hearing (reading) the thoughts of the others who want to chime in.

I can see going with 8 D while they bring Chisholm along slowly. In fact I wish they had adopted that approach a couple of years ago.

I would rather keep Capo than Stanley - and 6'7 might still retain some trade value whereas Capo would have none. The longer they drag out the decision on Stanley, the less they get for him. The chances of him ever getting much better are also diminishing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes he does - the thing is, I get the feeling he was timid because he knew he was up against players that dominated him physically.
Maybe that's what you're saying - but wanted to add that.

Maybe, but the players in the AHL have that same size strength advantage on him. The big strong F in the AHL will not be quite as fast as the big strong F in the NHL but they will be just as capable of dominating him physically.

I think he did lack the confidence to play his game in his NHL stints. He showed flashes of it at times but did not sustain it. I forget exactly when it happened but there was one game where he was really good. Everyone here commented on it and hoped that was the start for him. Next game was one of his worst in the NHL.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I can see going with 8 D while they bring Chisholm along slowly. In fact I wish they had adopted that approach a couple of years ago.

I would rather keep Capo than Stanley - and 6'7 might still retain some trade value whereas Capo would have none. The longer they drag out the decision on Stanley, the less they get for him. The chances of him ever getting much better are also diminishing.

I think Stanley will be a toss in on a PLD/55/37 trade. Some buffalo fans were saying they need bottom pairing LD for example, and they are one of the teams that could be in on 37

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We have drafted our fair share of Canadians but the problem is our scouts in Canada aren’t as good as Giese was in the US. Because Max could actually identify talent at a higher rate, the survivorship made it seem like we were drafting more Americans.

He’s going now so we’ll see what happens.

That might mean drafting fewer Americans, but losing what has been our best scout can't be a path to improving our draft performance.

 

[LowLefty]

Maybe, but the players in the AHL have that same size strength advantage on him. The big strong F in the AHL will not be quite as fast as the big strong F in the NHL but they will be just as capable of dominating him physically.

I think he did lack the confidence to play his game in his NHL stints. He showed flashes of it at times but did not sustain it. I forget exactly when it happened but there was one game where he was really good. Everyone here commented on it and hoped that was the start for him. Next game was one of his worst in the NHL.

Everything happens quicker / faster in the NHL - and the players are stronger.
I was not referring to size in my post.

 

[Maukkis]

We have drafted our fair share of Canadians but the problem is our scouts in Canada aren’t as good as Giese was in the US. Because Max could actually identify talent at a higher rate, the survivorship made it seem like we were drafting more Americans.

He’s going now so we’ll see what happens.

The CHL draft record after the 2013 (Morrissey, Petan, Comrie + 4 more with 10 total picks) and 2014 drafts (Ehlers + 2 more with 7 total picks) is as light as it is poor. About 28 % of our draft selections have come out of the CHL - considerably less than e.g. the league average of over 36-38 % over the last three seasons. Out of the thirteen, we have Perfetti, Harkins and Stanley as our sole hits. Bleh. We've had basically nothing from outside the top 60 in any draft, with the sole exception being Adam Lowry in 2011. Holy...

Then again, if I was Chevy, I would also be weary of drafting anyone whose rights expire two seasons after the draft. Given how this team treats its prospects, there is barely any upside in not playing in the juniors for two years and exiting as a UFA instead of accepting the fate of a career AHLer without any chance of getting NHL minutes.

 

[Whileee]

The CHL draft record after the 2013 (Morrissey, Petan, Comrie + 4 more with 10 total picks) and 2014 drafts (Ehlers + 2 more with 7 total picks) is as light as it is poor. About 28 % of our draft selections have come out of the CHL - considerably less than e.g. the league average of over 36-38 % over the last three seasons. Out of the thirteen, we have Perfetti, Harkins and Stanley as our sole hits. Bleh. We've had basically nothing from outside the top 60 in any draft, with the sole exception being Adam Lowry in 2011. Holy...

Then again, if I was Chevy, I would also be weary of drafting anyone whose rights expire two seasons after the draft. Given how this team treats its prospects, there is barely any upside in not playing in the juniors for two years and exiting as a UFA instead of accepting the fate of a career AHLer without any chance of getting NHL minutes.

Very, very few CHL draftees refuse to sign and go back into the draft, and they are almost always disappointments. Jets sign their CHL draftees into entry-level contracts and then have several years to develop and make decisions. They don't just flame out after 2 years. That's not the process for CHL draftees.

 

[ps241]

Aside from drafting Connor as an obvious pick and lucking out on Samberg and Helly what other US draft pick has really stood out with Chevy’s 12 years of drafting Merikans?

if our US scouting is/was is so good, where are these guys, 12 Chevy drafts now and 3 US born guys he drafted on the roster (well 2 really, waiver wire level talent Appleton isn’t exactly a feather in Chevys cap)

Samberg, Helle, Appleton, Copp, Poolman, Roslo late first consider we whiffed on other later first’s. I left out Trouba and Connor who were stronger picks.

To me that is solid results ”comparatively“ to our other regions.

 

[Thechozen1]

I think Stanley will be a toss in on a PLD/55/37 trade. Some buffalo fans were saying they need bottom pairing LD for example, and they are one of the teams that could be in on 37

If there’s any truth to the Penguins interest in Helleybuyck then maybe something along the lines of ….

Pittsburgh
Helleybuyck
Stanley


Winnipeg
#14 Pick
Pickering
3rd round pick in 2023

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

 

[Heldig]

If there’s any truth to the Penguins interest in Helleybuyck then maybe something along the lines of ….

Pittsburgh
Helleybuyck
Stanley


Winnipeg
#14 Pick
Pickering
3rd round pick in 2023

Why would Helle be interested in the Penquins though? They are far from contenders now.

 

[howkie]

Aside from drafting Connor as an obvious pick and lucking out on Samberg and Helly what other US draft pick has really stood out with Chevy’s 12 years of drafting Merikans?

if our US scouting is/was is so good, where are these guys, 12 Chevy drafts now and 3 US born guys he drafted on the roster (well 2 really, waiver wire level talent Appleton isn’t exactly a feather in Chevys cap)

Trouba...
Kovacvic seems now like nice depth pick..

 

[JetsFan815]

The CHL draft record after the 2013 (Morrissey, Petan, Comrie + 4 more with 10 total picks) and 2014 drafts (Ehlers + 2 more with 7 total picks) is as light as it is poor. About 28 % of our draft selections have come out of the CHL - considerably less than e.g. the league average of over 36-38 % over the last three seasons. Out of the thirteen, we have Perfetti, Harkins and Stanley as our sole hits. Bleh. We've had basically nothing from outside the top 60 in any draft, with the sole exception being Adam Lowry in 2011. Holy...

Then again, if I was Chevy, I would also be weary of drafting anyone whose rights expire two seasons after the draft. Given how this team treats its prospects, there is barely any upside in not playing in the juniors for two years and exiting as a UFA instead of accepting the fate of a career AHLer without any chance of getting NHL minutes.

Not sure if you are serious in actually proposing that the Jets not draft out of the CHL for fear of a player not signing for 2 seasons and re-entering the draft? That has never happened with a Jets prospect and only happened a couple of times in the last 10 years NHL wide. The Jets have enough problems and issues without people imagining hypothetical problems.

 

[tbcwpg]

The CHL draft record after the 2013 (Morrissey, Petan, Comrie + 4 more with 10 total picks) and 2014 drafts (Ehlers + 2 more with 7 total picks) is as light as it is poor. About 28 % of our draft selections have come out of the CHL - considerably less than e.g. the league average of over 36-38 % over the last three seasons. Out of the thirteen, we have Perfetti, Harkins and Stanley as our sole hits. Bleh. We've had basically nothing from outside the top 60 in any draft, with the sole exception being Adam Lowry in 2011. Holy...

Then again, if I was Chevy, I would also be weary of drafting anyone whose rights expire two seasons after the draft. Given how this team treats its prospects, there is barely any upside in not playing in the juniors for two years and exiting as a UFA instead of accepting the fate of a career AHLer without any chance of getting NHL minutes.

I think that last paragraph is an example of only focusing on the Jets. Prospects not getting into games is something that happens frequently league wide.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think that last paragraph is an example of only focusing on the Jets. Prospects not getting into games is something that happens frequently league wide.

it seems some people here feel that prospects don't need to earn their opportunities and they should be put into the lineup for x amount of games and those games must include playing with skilled players or else they don't count...

 

[tbcwpg]

it seems some people here feel that prospects don't need to earn their opportunities and they should be put into the lineup for x amount of games and those games must include playing with skilled players or else they don't count...

There's a balance, to be fair. Yes, prospects need to show growth, etc but also, if there is an opportunity I wouldn't mind trying an internal option as opposed to an external option (ie waivers) at some point. Also I feel like some prospects (ie Stanley) are given more rope than others, but I do understand that waiver status has something to do with it as well.

So there is something to be said for putting players in a position to succeed but this is also the big leagues and you should be showing a reason why you should stick around. It's not a developmental league, especially when the team is trying to get into the post season.

 

[DRW204]

Why would Helle be interested in the Penquins though? They are far from contenders now.

0.902 goaltending this year, after 100+ pts last year think with a great starter instead of jarry /desmith tandem puts them back in a contender mix. Idk if he re signs there long term but for this year I think they'd be super interested in him. Given they want to maximize Sid, Malkin and Guentzel Contracts

Idk squat about pickerings game but a mid-1st (14th overall) and pickering (21st overall) I think is reasonable value for a ufa-1 goalie.

I'd move heinola+ for a fwd, preferably a C, then lhd pool will net 0 but pickering can wait another year (Dillon's deal ends) given he is younger.

 

[BoneDocUK]

it seems some people here feel that prospects don't need to earn their opportunities and they should be put into the lineup for x amount of games and those games must include playing with skilled players or else they don't count...

Maybe.

It also sometimes feels like people here feel that prospects will automatically earn their opportunities in a game or two, while making zero errors and having an exclusively positive impact regardless of line-mates, matchups, playing time or game state.

My sense is that prospects are most likely to succeed short- and longterm when their opportunities are managed to provide them with some shelter, appropriate ice-time and support in terms of coaching then and after. We have examples of such development in 55, 44, 81, 27, 37 and more recently in Perfetti and Samberg who generally made the most of their chances with plenty of ups and downs before they dialled in, and Stanley who hasn't yet.

I really don't get the whole sink or swim or yer a bust narrative with prospects. It's a narrative that doesn't work anywhere else in life really, including with elite athletes at other levels -- why should it work in the NHL?

The Jets are fundamentally more reliant on their drafted prospects than nearly any other org in the league. If they aren't hitting with most of them and doing everything they can to turn them into legit NHLers, they're falling behind. That's not coddling -- it's smart development and better business.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

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[Mortimer Snerd]

it seems some people here feel that prospects don't need to earn their opportunities and they should be put into the lineup for x amount of games and those games must include playing with skilled players or else they don't count...

Absolutely no one has said that.

But that which benefits the player benefits the org.

 

[gojetsgo]

Absolutely no one has said that.

But that which benefits the player benefits the org.

lol someone just yesterday said vesalainen was mismanaged because he didn't get 30+ games with skilled players

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

lol someone just yesterday said vesalainen was mismanaged because he didn't get 30+ games with skilled players

I think I know the post you are referring to. I'm not sure that is what he actually said. It was more about what he did get, not what he did not get.

But I also think KVes was an example of a player who failed to make anything of his opportunity. He got basically a full season in the NHL and really showed nothing. It may not have been the best opportunity, but he could have tried to show SOMETHING.

KV had a good D+1 season in Liiga. He got off to a decent start with the Moose in D+2 but chose to go back to Finland. I think that was the beginning of the end for him.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think I know the post you are referring to. I'm not sure that is what he actually said. It was more about what he did get, not what he did not get.

But I also think KVes was an example of a player who failed to make anything of his opportunity. He got basically a full season in the NHL and really showed nothing. It may not have been the best opportunity, but he could have tried to show SOMETHING.

KV had a good D+1 season in Liiga. He got off to a decent start with the Moose in D+2 but chose to go back to Finland. I think that was the beginning of the end for him.

"The fact that you think that Vesalainen got a fair shot due to playing a pair of games in the top 6 is the problem. A fair shot should look like 20-30 games, likely even more than that depending on the player"