Prospect Info: The 2021 NHL Entry Draft Thread

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Joe Hallenback

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95 percent of the mocks I've seen including buttons I believe has us taking Corson Ceulemans. Perhaps the next Cale Makar. I'm fine with that.

Who says no. Dubois and 17 to Anaheim for Manson and 3rd overall.

Then take Brandt Clarke.

I am not sure how that makes us a better team now. That would mean no 2nd line center again. Plus I am not sure Manson waives to come here let alone sign here after. Clarke is great but he is likely at least a year if not 2 away from making any of kind of impact.
 

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I am not sure how that makes us a better team now. That would mean no 2nd line center again. Plus I am not sure Manson waives to come here let alone sign here after. Clarke is great but he is likely at least a year if not 2 away from making any of kind of impact.

Also I doubt he turns into the two-way 60 point C that Dubois already is. Man people are way too quick to throw away players after bad years. If the players are as bad as some fans see to think they are then why would anyone give us anything of value for them.
 

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I hope someone like Cole Sillinger fails to us this year, similar to what happened with Perfetti last year.
 

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They certainly deserve another lump of Cole this year. :DD

Yep -- can start their own little Cole-ection.

Sillinger is an interesting prospect, crazy heavy shot, great size and strength with pretty good puck skills and, of course, the name of a feared Olde West gunfighter or 20s gangster. He'd make a heckuva scoring winger for Cole P.
 

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Yep -- can start their own little Cole-ection.

Sillinger is an interesting prospect, crazy heavy shot, great size and strength with pretty good puck skills and, of course, the name of a feared Olde West gunfighter or 20s gangster. He'd make a heckuva scoring winger for Cole P.
Does he shoot right?
 

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Someone on Twitter (Eliteprospects? MacKeens?) released a peak at a Consensus Top 32 list but the the entire list is subscription? Anybody able to post?
 

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Someone on Twitter (Eliteprospects? MacKeens?) released a peak at a Consensus Top 32 list but the the entire list is subscription? Anybody able to post?
There are a number of consensus lists. I've posted a couple below. But generally, if you want to know how the draft is likely to go, McKenzie's list tends to be the most accurate.

Eliteprospects.com

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Mynhldraft.com

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McKenzie

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Couple of guys to watch out for are Oskar Olausson and Samu Tuomaala. Oskar is a bigger smooth skating winger who can score and Samu is speedster who shoots the puck a ton.

I also like 2 D men for the 2nd round Heimosalmi and Zelleweger. But I am skeptical if they will be there for us to take

I just wonder if the Jets have guys that are gone by the time they pick and then have a large list of guys in a grouping together that they decide to move down and get some draft capital. This would be the draft to that in. If you are at 18 and one or two of those goalies are there its likely you could move back because a team with 2 picks in the first wants one of them. Detroit,Minnesota,Cbus or even someone like Edmonton.
 
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Couple of guys to watch out for are Oskar Olausson and Samu Tuomaala. Oskar is a bigger smooth skating winger who can score and Samu is speedster who shoots the puck a ton.

I also like 2 D men for the 2nd round Heimosalmi and Zelleweger. But I am skeptical if they will be there for us to take

I just wonder if the Jets have guys that are gone by the time they pick and then have a large list of guys in a grouping together that they decide to move down and get some draft capital. This would be the draft to that in. If you are at 18 and one or two of those goalies are there its likely you could move back because a team with 2 picks in the first wants one of them. Detroit,Minnesota,Cbus or even someone like Edmonton.
Yes, it seems reasonable to move back this draft, but it really depends how the first round plays out. It seems very possible that a player the Jets really like drops to #17 and they can't resist.

Should be an interesting draft this year, with the added potential of a big trade by the Jets.
 

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Couple of guys to watch out for are Oskar Olausson and Samu Tuomaala. Oskar is a bigger smooth skating winger who can score and Samu is speedster who shoots the puck a ton.

I also like 2 D men for the 2nd round Heimosalmi and Zelleweger. But I am skeptical if they will be there for us to take

I just wonder if the Jets have guys that are gone by the time they pick and then have a large list of guys in a grouping together that they decide to move down and get some draft capital. This would be the draft to that in. If you are at 18 and one or two of those goalies are there its likely you could move back because a team with 2 picks in the first wants one of them. Detroit,Minnesota,Cbus or even someone like Edmonton.
I could see the Jets targeting players like Morrow, and Stankoven, and Bolduc in a tier lower in round 1, and maybe trading back. But their tendency has been to have a player they really like available, and nab him when they can.
 

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How do you guys feel about the Jets taking one of the Russian forwards at 17, Svechkov or Chibrikov? We haven't been big on drafting Russians, but both seem intriguing to me.
 

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How do you guys feel about the Jets taking one of the Russian forwards at 18, Svechkov or Chibrikov? We haven't been big on drafting Russians, but both seem intriguing to me.
I'd be happier with Svechkov than Chibrikov, at first glance. But I think there should be players available at #17 that I'd prefer, all things considered.
 

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How do you guys feel about the Jets taking one of the Russian forwards at 17, Svechkov or Chibrikov? We haven't been big on drafting Russians, but both seem intriguing to me.

I think the fear with drafting Russians living in and playing in Russia as Winnipeg is they won't be all that excited about coming over to play in Winnipeg. I don't think the Jets are as worried with guys like Berdin or if they had the chance at guys like Sergachev and Svechnikov because they were already well established in NA before being drafted.
 

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I could see the Jets targeting players like Morrow, and Stankoven, and Bolduc in a tier lower in round 1, and maybe trading back. But their tendency has been to have a player they really like available, and nab him when they can.

I have a feeling they will stay away from Stankoven. We haven't had much luck with tiny forwards so far. Maybe if he's at where we pick and he's the clear cut BPA on the lists at our table we take him but I have a feeling he isn't on their radar. They seem to have shifted their focus to big, quick forwards on the wings.
 

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I think the fear with drafting Russians living in and playing in Russia as Winnipeg is they won't be all that excited about coming over to play in Winnipeg. I don't think the Jets are as worried with guys like Berdin or if they had the chance at guys like Sergachev and Svechnikov because they were already well established in NA before being drafted.
Also, much more uncertainty about the development pathway in Russia, perhaps.
 

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Also, much more uncertainty about the development pathway in Russia, perhaps.

Yeah that's a major part of it too. Not only is it tough to get them over here sometimes but you have zero control over their development until they do come over.
 

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I have a feeling they will stay away from Stankoven. We haven't had much luck with tiny forwards so far. Maybe if he's at where we pick and he's the clear cut BPA on the lists at our table we take him but I have a feeling he isn't on their radar. They seem to have shifted their focus to big, quick forwards on the wings.

I don't disagree - Jets have been reluctant to draft smaller players ... but with the emergence of Cole Caufield (15th overall), Debrincat (2nd round), Braydin Point (3rd round), etc., there's a clear case that NHL teams shouldn't ignore the best *hockey* player in favour of a bigger body.

A couple more things about Logan Stankoven: He may be short (5'8) but not that *small*. He's listed at 170 lbs which is the same weight as Ehlers / Connor. He's got two more years to grow, so probably will end up being 5'10 - 190 lbs as his ultimate playing weight. This is more fire hydrant type build than *small*. He plays a fast, crafty game, but gets dirty too (can score like Gallagher). However, stylistically, with the puck on his stick, he's so much more dynamic than Gallagher. He's got deception, quick feet, great hands and that unbelievable release. He's scouted as a VERY good skater with excellent agility and top end acceleration.

Shoots RIGHT!

If Stankoven was 2-3 inches taller he'd no doubt be a top 10 pick. His stats are INSANE at every level his entire life:

* Keep in mind he's always the smallest kid on his team

- As a 14 year old playing CSSHL (highest league you can play): 30 games played - 57 Goals (1st place in western canada) ahead of Dylan Guenther and Cole Sillinger

* Went on to be drafted 5th overall in WHL bantam draft despite being amongst smallest players available.

- As a 15 year old playing U18 AAA Hockey in only 38 games- 49 G, 52A - 101 pts ... he led the entire BC AAA hockey circuit by 40 pts! The 2nd highest point producer had 61 pts and WAS TWO YEARS OLDER

* This broke Tyson Jost's record for most goals in BC AAA hockey and tied Matthew Barzal's record for most pts in BC AAA history as a 15 year old!

- As a 16 year old (draft -2 years), in 59 games, scores 29 G, 48 pts in the WHL against players as much as 4 years older than him

- As a 17 year old (turned 18 in Feb 26th) - in only 6 WHL games played, 7 goals, 10 pts - he was the ONLY WHL player to average more than 1 goal per game played (small sample size), was 4th in league pts/game (1.67) despite being up to 2 years younger than guys like Peyton Krebs

- U18 Team Canada - 7 games - 4G 4A - once again more points than Dylan Guenther

These rates of scoring are sometimes seen in the QMJHL or OHL but extremely rare in the lower scoring WHL. His stats are simply incredible. If available, the Jets should absolutely take him because on talent alone, he's a top 10 player. Given the right opportunity and linemates, he can be electric in the NHL. As a bonus, we get a dynamic, entertaining player that has the ability to bring us out of our seats. After all, hockey is supposed to be entertainment.

This kid was on pace to score 60-70 goals this year had the WHL played a full season. It's insanity to pass on him because of his 5'8 stature.

In summary, he scores at an elite rate like Cole Perfetti, except Stankoven's skating is rated as 'Elite'. Again, he's the total package except for his size.

Logan Stankoven should be our pick!

I will die on this hill, haha.

This is a decent summary of his skill set when we was drafted by Kamloops in the WHL:

 
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I would be happy dropping down to mid 20s and drafting Stankoven. Thought he was good at the u18s playing a cog in the wheel role with "top" players. I think he is the type of guy that has to play in the top 6 but he can be that guy who "helps" better players because he does a lot of little things. I think he would be real good with a Dubois type center
 
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I would be happy dropping down to mid 20s and drafting Stankoven. Thought he was good at the u18s playing a cog in the wheel role with "top" players. I think he is the type of guy that has to play in the top 6 but he can be that guy who "helps" better players because he does a lot of little things. I think he would be real good with a Dubois type center
You’ve mentioned a couple times the Jets moving down in the 1st round Joe, but this is something the Jets have never done. Their drafting philosophy seems to be take what you can get when it is available and don’t look back.
 

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I would be happy dropping down to mid 20s and drafting Stankoven. Thought he was good at the u18s playing a cog in the wheel role with "top" players. I think he is the type of guy that has to play in the top 6 but he can be that guy who "helps" better players because he does a lot of little things. I think he would be real good with a Dubois type center
If they really like Stankoven, I'd think they'd just take him at #17. Not a huge stretch, and this is a team that took Scheifele at #7.
 

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I don't disagree - Jets have been reluctant to draft smaller players ... but with the emergence of Cole Caufield (15th overall), Debrincat (2nd round), Braydin Point (3rd round), etc., there's a clear case that NHL teams shouldn't ignore the best *hockey* player in favour of a bigger body.

A couple more things about Logan Stankoven: He may be short (5'8) but not that *small*. He's listed at 170 lbs which is the same weight as Ehlers / Connor. He's got two more years to grow, so probably will end up being 5'10 - 190 lbs as his ultimate playing weight. This is more fire hydrant type build than *small*. He plays a fast, crafty game, but gets dirty too (can score like Gallagher). However, stylistically, with the puck on his stick, he's so much more dynamic than Gallagher. He's got deception, quick feet, great hands and that unbelievable release. He's scouted as a VERY good skater with excellent agility and top end acceleration.

Shoots RIGHT!

If Stankoven was 2-3 inches taller he'd no doubt be a top 10 pick. His stats are INSANE at every level his entire life:

* Keep in mind he's always the smallest kid on his team

- As a 14 year old playing CSSHL (highest league you can play): 30 games played - 57 Goals (1st place in western canada) ahead of Dylan Guenther and Cole Sillinger

* Went on to be drafted 5th overall in WHL bantam draft despite being amongst smallest players available.

- As a 15 year old playing U18 AAA Hockey in only 38 games- 49 G, 52A - 101 pts ... he led the entire BC AAA hockey circuit by 40 pts! The 2nd highest point producer had 61 pts and WAS TWO YEARS OLDER

* This broke Tyson Jost's record for most goals in BC AAA hockey and tied Matthew Barzal's record for most pts in BC AAA history as a 15 year old!

- As a 16 year old (draft -2 years), in 59 games, scores 29 G, 48 pts in the WHL against players as much as 4 years older than him

- As a 17 year old (turned 18 in Feb 26th) - in only 6 WHL games played, 7 goals, 10 pts - he was the ONLY WHL player to average more than 1 goal per game played (small sample size), was 4th in league pts/game (1.67) despite being up to 2 years younger than guys like Peyton Krebs

- U18 Team Canada - 7 games - 4G 4A - once again more points than Dylan Guenther

These rates of scoring are sometimes seen in the QMJHL or OHL but extremely rare in the lower scoring WHL. His stats are simply incredible. If available, the Jets should absolutely take him because on talent alone, he's a top 10 player. Given the right opportunity and linemates, he can be electric in the NHL. As a bonus, we get a dynamic, entertaining player that has the ability to bring us out of our seats. After all, hockey is supposed to be entertainment.

This kid was on pace to score 60-70 goals this year had the WHL played a full season. It's insanity to pass on him because of his 5'8 stature.

In summary, he scores at an elite rate like Cole Perfetti, except Stankoven's skating is rated as 'Elite'. Again, he's the total package except for his size.

Logan Stankoven should be our pick!

I will die on this hill, haha.

This is a decent summary of his skill set when we was drafted by Kamloops in the WHL:



I wouldn't be opposed to him but I think I'd take Ceulemans over him if he's still available.

I dont actually think the Jets shy away from size in their forward picks. They seem to go for skill an awful lot when they draft forwards especially high. We just grabbed Perfetti at 10th overall last year and he's not big. We've also drafted pretty small skill forwards like Petan, DeLeo, Mckenzie.

Guys like Conner and Ehelers while a bit bigger are still finesse based players.

I dont think they would have any problem drafting Stantkoven up he is the best player on their list.

Edit: Upon watching some highlight videos he reminds me a lot of a right shooting Paul Karyia the way he controls the puck and blows by people with his speed. He also has a lethal shot and good instincts around the net that he looks like a high end play driving scoring winger.

I haven't seen enough of his playmaking skill to see if he compares to Karyia in that regard. Karyia was a very rare dual threat winger who could drive play, score and pass at an elite level.

We could really use a winger like that to take over from Wheeler as he ages out.
 
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