GDT: Thanksgiving Leftovers: Vancouver Canucks @ Carolina Hurricanes | 1:00 PM | PNC Arena

[Oenatzu]

Now, now..you are just trying to start something with that comment.

I'd seriously doubt Mullers sanity if he put Westgarth on the second line for real.

On the other hand, glad to see Sekera making a quick recovery. He could be available for Tuesday.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dare I suggest a return of Boychuk? He's got 6 powerplay goals this year for a terrible Checkers team and can ride the bench at least as well as Lindholm/Nash/Westgarth.

Jeez, it's come to Boychuk being our best option.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Bring back Tim Brent. I want to say there was an 8% PP% differential when he was in the lineup vs. when he wasn't at some point last year or the year before. I liked him as a 4th liner/PP specialist.

Until Muller and the coaching staff starts taking some responsibility, he's going to lose the locker room entirely, and we'll end up losing a quality coach. His "other teams are running the same plays" ******** is a bit much to take. I rarely see any teams play dump and chase on every entry.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah I don't think Tim Brent is the answer to this powerplay.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

did i seriously just read an argument FOR tim brent on the powerplay

what...

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Bring back Tim Brent. I want to say there was an 8% PP% differential when he was in the lineup vs. when he wasn't at some point last year or the year before. I liked him as a 4th liner/PP specialist.

They scored 4.6 goals per 60 minutes at 5-on-4 last season. 4.8 with Brent on the ice. Statistically insignificant difference.

Assuming the stat you cited is even true (and I'm not going to look to find out if it is), I think the "in the lineup" stats are the most flawed stats you can come across. If Tim Brent is "in the lineup" and the powerplay unit not featuring Tim Brent scores, he somehow gets credit for something he had nothing to do with.

 

[RodTheBawd]

They scored 4.6 goals per 60 minutes at 5-on-4 last season. 4.8 with Brent on the ice. Statistically insignificant difference.

Assuming the stat you cited is even true (and I'm not going to look to find out if it is), I think the "in the lineup" stats are the most flawed stats you can come across. If Tim Brent is "in the lineup" and the powerplay unit not featuring Tim Brent scores, he somehow gets credit for something he had nothing to do with.

Should have clarified, it was on the ice. Pretty sure it was the '11-12 season at some point and I had looked it up in a drunken stupor after multiple failed PPs (likely when he was out with injury for a stretch). The 8% number I clearly remember, the sample size, however, I do not.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Tim Brent was not good on the power play. It's really that simple. There may have been a statistical correlation, but there was not a REAL correlation between his presence and improved performance.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Tim Brent was not good on the power play. It's really that simple. There may have been a statistical correlation, but there was not a REAL correlation between his presence and improved performance.

It's actually pretty simple what happened. In 11-12, Tim Brent was put on the first unit when Muller started to execute his Only Set Play with about 30-ish games let into the season. Up until that point the powerplay was pretty terrible. They had success with Tim Brent and the Only Set Play (with Brent having a very, very simple role that pretty much any right-handed offensive D can play--he would just walk the line, fake a shot and pass it to Staal over and over again.). They fell apart once it was figured out, but by then there were only 10 games left in the season so there was no time for Brent's numbers to come down and you are left with the team scoring 8 goals per 60 minutes with him on the ice. Jiri Tlusty was part of that unit and the team scored 8.32 goals per 60 minutes with him on the ice.

The next season rolls around and you see the continuance of the failed powerplay with the set play figured out: Brent drops to 4.8 goals/60 and Tlusty 2.42/60.

 

[RodTheBawd]

But I thought taking stats purely at face value was the standard around here? Specious reasoning be damned, bring back Brenter to captain the PP.