Terrible world cup ideas

[BayStreetBully]

If it's an international competition, one would expect that national hockey federations might be involved, no?

It is, still very much an invitational tournament where the NHL gets to make its own rules ( see team young guns and team leftovers).

I'm sorry that it's not an international tourney, but it was never designed to be, either.

And yet they call it the World Cup.

I suppose I SHOULD be excited- I haven't watched a good comedy in a while. But September is a good month to spend outdoors.

 

[Jussi]

This tournament might be IIHF santioned but I seriously doubt that for example Finland's game against the Leftover team will count as an official international game in the record books.

 

[Gaps]

This tournament might be IIHF santioned but I seriously doubt that for example Finland's game against the Leftover team will count as an official international game in the record books.

It would be ridiculous if it counted, but if the games against the gimmick teams don't count, will/should the other games still count? After all, the leftover teams undermine the value of the entire tournament.

 

[sandysan]

A qualifying stage (for the final two spots) would make sense, which is probably why the NHL isn't doing it.

But why the need for even that? Prior events from 1976-2004 didn't have qualifying - they just took the top 6-8 teams and it was fine! Nothing but common sense was stopping them from doing that again for 2016.

they are doing it ( should they repeat it) per their description, but they dont have enough time to do it for the upcoming one. so faced with this reality, they chose the one mechanism that allows more of their members ( the PA) to participate.

 

[sandysan]

And yet they call it the World Cup.

I suppose I SHOULD be excited- I haven't watched a good comedy in a while. But September is a good month to spend outdoors.

and baseball's champs are called world series winner and you can buy a " world's greatest dad' mug at pretty much any mall.

people feigning surprise as to what the explict nature of this tourney IS, should do a better job keeping up. I dont care if they call it is NHL/NHLPA best on best invitational tournament. what its called means little as to what it is.

but I'm sure, absolutely convinced, that you dont have ANY reservations calling the " best of the rest" tournament that the IIHF holds during the NHL playoffs the " world championships".

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

and baseball's champs are called world series winner and you can buy a " world's greatest dad' mug at pretty much any mall.

people feigning surprise as to what the explict nature of this tourney IS, should do a better job keeping up. I dont care if they call it is NHL/NHLPA best on best invitational tournament. what its called means little as to what it is.

but I'm sure, absolutely convinced, that you dont have ANY reservations calling the " best of the rest" tournament that the IIHF holds during the NHL playoffs the " world championships".

16 countries participate, over 741,000 spectators for the event, fans from all those countries and more show up, it's Hockey biggest World party, does not matter who is on the ice, it's the event that makes this global.

Over 700 million across the World tune in to this tournament every year.

It's not the players that make a World event, it's the fans, the people who watch Worldwide.

Watching those fans in tampa bay yesterday was pretty fun, the fans seem to have a great time at these NHL games, keep it up. Sucks to be an NHL fan when in game atmosphere is only good in 7 cities and those being in Canada.

This NHL Cup is meaningless, no one in Finland, Sweden, Russia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Denmark and even CANADA etc, give one hoot about it. 90% of people don't know it exists.

The nhl has only one life ambition. To get american dollars from american people. It's run by americans for americans and does not do anything globally other then try to grow the game for USA Hockey.

Be realistic, no one cares, it's a cash grab because this league only cares about the dollar and trying to get more money in a country that barely cares about Hockey.

It'll be serious the day they hold it in Europe and promote it in all the Hockey countries, until then, it's a farce even then it'll always be.

Lol I still remember Patrice Bergeron's face when they were having a press conference and buttman said, this will be the most prestigious tournament, Bergeron wanted to puke, what an idiot lol.

 

[Reindl87]

You're aware that the Czech Republic is one of the six participating nations?

Yes i am a ware of that. But guys who just miss the cut for the Czech team are still better then many potential Slowaks. Certainly filling the Roster with two or three Czechs would be an upgrade.

 

[Theokritos]

Yes i am a ware of that. But guys who just miss the cut for the Czech team are still better then many potential Slowaks. Certainly filling the Roster with two or three Czechs would be an upgrade.

There are lots of Canadians who will just miss the cut for Team Canada and who are better than other players in the tournament. So let's have two Canadian teams instead of one while we're at it, shall we? Canada East in one group, Canada West in the other.

 

[sandysan]

16 countries participate, over 741,000 spectators for the event, fans from all those countries and more show up, it's Hockey biggest World party, does not matter who is on the ice, it's the event that makes this global.

Over 700 million across the World tune in to this tournament every year.

It's not the players that make a World event, it's the fans, the people who watch Worldwide.

Watching those fans in tampa bay yesterday was pretty fun, the fans seem to have a great time at these NHL games, keep it up. Sucks to be an NHL fan when in game atmosphere is only good in 7 cities and those being in Canada.

This NHL Cup is meaningless, no one in Finland, Sweden, Russia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Denmark and even CANADA etc, give one hoot about it. 90% of people don't know it exists.

The nhl has only one life ambition. To get american dollars from american people. It's run by americans for americans and does not do anything globally other then try to grow the game for USA Hockey.

Be realistic, no one cares, it's a cash grab because this league only cares about the dollar and trying to get more money in a country that barely cares about Hockey.

It'll be serious the day they hold it in Europe and promote it in all the Hockey countries, until then, it's a farce even then it'll always be.

Lol I still remember Patrice Bergeron's face when they were having a press conference and buttman said, this will be the most prestigious tournament, Bergeron wanted to puke, what an idiot lol.

so you are fine with a tournament to declare "world championships" that actively excludes a large portion of the worlds best players becuase they have more pressing engagements ?

if so, can I go to ant big university find a bunch of nationals and compete in something and call it the world championships as well ?

and as for what the NHL does, that their own damn perogative as a PRIVATE league. it doesnt fall on them to promote the game, that's the IIHF and the national federation's job. And how does the IIHF do this ? By sanctioning tournaments with the worlds greatest players, provided they are willing to forgo ANY compensation and allow the IIHF to live fat off the talent of players under NHL contracts.

prestigious ? who knows. if it ends up replacing the olympics in god knows where it WILL be the most prestigious tournament in the world and even with the artifice of the next one, the talent level over all of the teams will exceed that which was present in sochi.

doing something under a bunch of rings doesnt defacto make it great. and if you dont want to watch based on personal objections, fine by me. It's a real wonder how the NHL will survive when you withold all of the money you and your compatriots are already not giving the NHL. The NHL knows who butters their bread, and it aint a bunch of bellyachers pining for the corruption and ineffectiveness of the freaking IIHF

 

[Nakawick]

16 countries participate, over 741,000 spectators for the event, fans from all those countries and more show up, it's Hockey biggest World party, does not matter who is on the ice, it's the event that makes this global.

Over 700 million across the World tune in to this tournament every year.

It's not the players that make a World event, it's the fans, the people who watch Worldwide.

Watching those fans in tampa bay yesterday was pretty fun, the fans seem to have a great time at these NHL games, keep it up. Sucks to be an NHL fan when in game atmosphere is only good in 7 cities and those being in Canada.

This NHL Cup is meaningless, no one in Finland, Sweden, Russia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Denmark and even CANADA etc, give one hoot about it. 90% of people don't know it exists.

The nhl has only one life ambition. To get american dollars from american people. It's run by americans for americans and does not do anything globally other then try to grow the game for USA Hockey.

Be realistic, no one cares, it's a cash grab because this league only cares about the dollar and trying to get more money in a country that barely cares about Hockey.

It'll be serious the day they hold it in Europe and promote it in all the Hockey countries, until then, it's a farce even then it'll always be.

Lol I still remember Patrice Bergeron's face when they were having a press conference and buttman said, this will be the most prestigious tournament, Bergeron wanted to puke, what an idiot lol.

So why is this world cup different?

 

[Gormo]

and baseball's champs are called world series winner and you can buy a " world's greatest dad' mug at pretty much any mall.

people feigning surprise as to what the explict nature of this tourney IS, should do a better job keeping up. I dont care if they call it is NHL/NHLPA best on best invitational tournament. what its called means little as to what it is.

but I'm sure, absolutely convinced, that you dont have ANY reservations calling the " best of the rest" tournament that the IIHF holds during the NHL playoffs the " world championships".

Im forced to admit you do make a pretty good point.

"World" gets pointlessly tacked on in many cases.

 

[BayStreetBully]

and baseball's champs are called world series winner and you can buy a " world's greatest dad' mug at pretty much any mall.

people feigning surprise as to what the explict nature of this tourney IS, should do a better job keeping up. I dont care if they call it is NHL/NHLPA best on best invitational tournament. what its called means little as to what it is.

but I'm sure, absolutely convinced, that you dont have ANY reservations calling the " best of the rest" tournament that the IIHF holds during the NHL playoffs the " world championships".

The World Series has a different historical context, and today no one calls the winners "world champions" in the literal sense.

If you want to compare the winner of the 2016 World Cup to a world's greatest dad t-shirt, knock yourself out. I get a good chuckle when I see someone wearing that shirt, and I'm sure I'd do the same during this entire tournament.

And yes, I don't have any problems with the World Championships being called what it is. I enjoy it for what it is- a chance to watch the progress of the lower-ranked countries, all the way down to the Italys and Hungarys and Koreas of the lower division.

Did anyone care when Canada with Crosby, Seguin and Hall won last month? I'm sure they played their hearts out and good for them. But Canadians could care less and we'll feel the same during this upcoming World Cup. So if nobody cares, why have the tournament? You answered yourself- so the NHL can make money for itself. Whoop-dee-doo.

 

[Reindl87]

There are lots of Canadians who will just miss the cut for Team Canada and who are better than other players in the tournament. So let's have two Canadian teams instead of one while we're at it, shall we? Canada East in one group, Canada West in the other.

Well, i wouldn't mind that.

But if you want 8 "nationalteams" to be competitive, i think the best solution would be to allow Switzerland and Slovakia to allow adding a few players from neighbouring countries.

This surely doesn't turn them into powerhouses but it certainly helps them a little bit.

 

[sandysan]

There are lots of Canadians who will just miss the cut for Team Canada and who are better than other players in the tournament. So let's have two Canadian teams instead of one while we're at it, shall we? Canada East in one group, Canada West in the other.

I'm down. I think that countries with bigger depth should be rewarded for it, and I have no doubt that canada's B team would be globally competitive with some exceptions.

It says something that players like Giroux don't make the cut for Canada, when if he Viktor Ahn'ed it he would make the cut for pretty much every other team in the tourney.

 

[Henkka]

I' like to see ALL-MIDGET Team in this tournament.

Johnny Gaudreau 5'9 - Tyler Johnson 5'8 - Martin St. Louis 5'8
Brad Marchand 5'9 - Mike Cammaleri 5'9 - Brendan Callagher 5'9
Tyler Ennis 5'9 - David Desharnais 5'7 - Mats Zuccarello 5'7
Nathan Gerbe 5'5 - Stephen Gionta 5'7 - Cam Atkinson 5'8
(Marc Arcobello 5'8, Derek Roy 5'9, Brian Gionta 5'7, Jordin Tootoo 5'9)

Tobias Enström 5'10 - Sami Vatanen 5'10
Brian Campbell 5'10 - Tyson Barrie 5'10
Torey Krug 5'9 - Jared Spurgeon 5'9
Kris Russell 5'10 - Ryan Ellis 5'10

Jhonas Enroth 5'10
Richard Bachman 5'10

Why not midgets, if we take also youngsters? Also GIANTS Team would be nice. Let's put Zhara and Myers together and have a party.

But if you want 8 "nationalteams" to be competitive, i think the best solution would be to allow Switzerland and Slovakia to allow adding a few players from neighbouring countries.

This surely doesn't turn them into powerhouses but it certainly helps them a little bit.

Why not split Canada in Provinces?

If we have these crap European mixed teams, we could as easily have Team Ontario, Team Quebec, Team Rest of Canada, Team Minnesota, Team Michigan, Team rest of the United States etc.

We could have a nice 16-team tournament:

Group A

Team Ontario
Team Quebec
Team rest of Canada
Team Minnesota
Team Michigan
Team rest of United States
Team U23 North Americans
Team Midgets


Group B

Sweden
Finland
Czech Republic
Team Slovakia with one Slovenian (to get a missing 1st line centreman)
Team Moscow-area Russians
Team other Russians
Switzerland with some Germans and Austrians in WW2 -style.
Team Giants

 

[Canuckistani]

they are doing it ( should they repeat it) per their description, but they dont have enough time to do it for the upcoming one. so faced with this reality, they chose the one mechanism that allows more of their members ( the PA) to participate.

And in the process turned the entire event into a complete joke.

 

[Canuckistani]

Does anyone know if they seriously considered just going with 6 teams? With only 6 teams you would avoid the need for qualifiers or the issues with the U23 and Euro composite team. Regarding the format, you could do a full round-robin, with the top 4 making semis (or only 3 making playoffs with 1st getting bye to finals).

What would the downside be? No Kopitar, Hossa, and Gaborik? Are those guys even going to play anyway?

That's basically how the old Canada Cup worked - top six in a single group. The great part was that everyone got to play everyone else, unlike now when the best are broken up into two groups.

The downside for the NHL in doing that now would be that their players wouldn't get maximim exposure and thus they fear a drop in $$$$$.

Bettman has absolutely no idea what make international hockey fans tick.

 

[sandysan]

That's basically how the old Canada Cup worked - top six in a single group. The great part was that everyone got to play everyone else, unlike now when the best are broken up into two groups.

The downside for the NHL in doing that now would be that their players wouldn't get maximim exposure and thus they fear a drop in $$$$$.

Bettman has absolutely no idea what make international hockey fans tick.

Let me guess, equal parts apathy, envy and a desire for clown show refs?

Can't you always get that with the IIHF?

How can the NHL fear a DROP in money? What's less than Zero? Does the IIHF plan to charge the nhl players fees to go towards fassel's mustache wax fund?

If the ice machine at the APC blew up after game 1 of the tourney, the NHL still comes out ahead of when they dance with the IIHF.

 

[JackSlater]

Let me guess, equal parts apathy, envy and a desire for clown show refs?

Can't you always get that with the IIHF?

I don't understand why you assume that people complaining about this World Cup are automatically fans of the IIHF. I (and I assume most Canadians as well) couldn't care less about IIHF involvement. The IIHF has many problems (historically moreso than today) but at least it has never tried to have an international tournament with teams that do not represent nations. The NHL can easily put on a great tournament with limited IIHF involvement - I know this because it has happened before. They are intentionally choosing not to this time.

 

[Canuckistani]

Let me guess, equal parts apathy, envy and a desire for clown show refs?

Can't you always get that with the IIHF?

How can the NHL fear a DROP in money? What's less than Zero? Does the IIHF plan to charge the nhl players fees to go towards fassel's mustache wax fund?

If the ice machine at the APC blew up after game 1 of the tourney, the NHL still comes out ahead of when they dance with the IIHF.

What does the IIHF have to do with my complaints? All I want is to see the best national teams competing since that's what international competition is all about.

Bettman thinks that involving as many NHLers as possible is the key to success, even if that means players competing for non-national teams, possibly against their own country. The guy's a total idiot.

 

[stars33]

What does the IIHF have to do with my complaints? All I want is to see the best national teams competing since that's what international competition is all about.

Bettman thinks that involving as many NHLers as possible is the key to success, even if that means players competing for non-national teams, possibly against their own country. The guy's a total idiot.

I totally agree. I can not believe that Bettman a commissioner of Major League Sport does not understand what creates an emotionally charged sporting event. Club Teams represent city or states, National teams represent countries, and College teams represent students and alumni. Bottom line a team of any kind has to represent a population of people. This creates a common bond between the spectators which helps feed emotional feelings toward the team and the game. The reason is that you are not rooting just for the players to win but also to share victory with your fellow fans. This feeling of togetherness adds to the experience. Just like people like to see major blockbuster movies at the theatre. There is a communal feeling people get when masses come together to enjoy a common interest.

This world cup demonstrates that Mr. Bettman has no understanding of this. I feel he is the wrong man for the job and should step down as commissioner of the NHL.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Is there a post or resource somewhere with all the information we have on this tournament thus far?

 

[Canuckistani]

I totally agree. I can not believe that Bettman a commissioner of Major League Sport does not understand what creates an emotionally charged sporting event. Club Teams represent city or states, National teams represent countries, and College teams represent students and alumni. Bottom line a team of any kind has to represent a population of people. This creates a common bond between the spectators which helps feed emotional feelings toward the team and the game. The reason is that you are not rooting just for the players to win but also to share victory with your fellow fans. This feeling of togetherness adds to the experience. Just like people like to see major blockbuster movies at the theatre. There is a communal feeling people get when masses come together to enjoy a common interest.

This world cup demonstrates that Mr. Bettman has no understanding of this. I feel he is the wrong man for the job and should step down as commissioner of the NHL.

What's really troubling is that the IIHF and European hockey federations have signed off on this monstrosity.

Hopefully there's a subtle agreement being made that in exchange for their co-operation on this NHL cash-grab, the NHL will then agree to take part in the 2018 Olympics. If that's the case then this stupid event bothers me a good deal less than it otherwise would. It can then function as a sort pf try-out camp for the real thing, sort of like the WHC only less meaningful.

 

[sandysan]

What's really troubling is that the IIHF and European hockey federations have signed off on this monstrosity.

Hopefully there's a subtle agreement being made that in exchange for their co-operation on this NHL cash-grab, the NHL will then agree to take part in the 2018 Olympics. If that's the case then this stupid event bothers me a good deal less than it otherwise would. It can then function as a sort pf try-out camp for the real thing, sort of like the WHC only less meaningful.

If it works, why in the blue blazes would the NHL want to go anything for the GD IOC? The league provides 90% of the talent, 100% of the upper end talent and for this they have to interrupt their season to accommodate the 5 tings, and for this opportunity, the owners and the players assume ALL the risk, get precisely zero of the reward ( Olympic participation has NEVER helped the nhl and FCS the NHL can't even use clips of players under contract AT the olympics to even try to tie into the fair weather nationalistic fans).

And if it doesn't turn into a WMC level dumpster fire, the next iteration with qualifying will replace the IOC who can then find out the draw of the talent they deserve based on how much they pay them.

If the nhl can use its players to run a tournament themselves, what the hell do they need the Iihf/ioc for?

If you didn't recognize the last question as rhetorical,I'll answer it for you: nothing.

 

[sandysan]

What's really troubling is that the IIHF and European hockey federations have signed off on this monstrosity.

Hopefully there's a subtle agreement being made that in exchange for their co-operation on this NHL cash-grab, the NHL will then agree to take part in the 2018 Olympics. If that's the case then this stupid event bothers me a good deal less than it otherwise would. It can then function as a sort pf try-out camp for the real thing, sort of like the WHC only less meaningful.

If it works, why in the blue blazes would the NHL want to go anything for the GD IOC? The league provides 90% of the talent, 100% of the upper end talent and for this they have to interrupt their season to accommodate the 5 tings, and for this opportunity, the owners and the players assume ALL the risk, get precisely zero of the reward ( Olympic participation has NEVER helped the nhl and FCS the NHL can't even use clips of players under contract AT the olympics to even try to tie into the fair weather nationalistic fans).

And if it doesn't turn into a WMC level dumpster fire, the next iteration with qualifying will replace the IOC who can then find out the draw of the talent they deserve based on how much they pay them.

If the nhl can use its players to run a tournament themselves, what the hell do they need the Iihf/ioc for?

If you didn't recognize the last question as rhetorical,I'll answer it for you: nothing.