Terrible world cup ideas

[Jussi]

I personally would rather see a CAN-USA mini series over that weekend.

The owners would rather see players play one game where they just fool around and try to avoid getting injured. Even they are not so stupid as to put on serious games during the break taht will only effect their NA star players.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Seriously? Talk about spoiled brat syndrome. So much happens throughout the year there, every time I've visited Toronto there`s some sort of function, event or festival going on. The city attracts some big ticket events and all you can say everything is boring and useless? Why not step back a bit and look at how much there is to do there and maybe a appreciate what you have there instead of complaining about it.

Take a deep breath. When did I ever say anything about Toronto's other events throughout the year? I said I have no interest in the second-rate Pan Am Games, and the second-rate World Cup of Hockey in Toronto.

 

[Preisst*]

The two gimmick teams ruin it for me too.

But what does the NHL care about guys like me, a Canadian who has watched, played and loved the game my whole life.

 

[Jets4Life]

The powers that be should at least have a U23 Canada and U23 USA team. The U23 idea is bad enough, but there is not much incentive for winning the World Cup, if you don't even get to represent your country.

As corrupt as FIFA is, I like their idea of sending the best teams to compete for the World Cup, by having qualifiers to determine who the top 10 nations will be. If NHL players from Denmark, Slovenia, or Belarus don't qualify, tough luck.

My idea for the World Cup:

Take the traditionally best six nations, and give them automatic births:

1.Canada
2.USA
3.Russia
4.Sweden
5.Finland
6.Czech Republic

For the last four positions, have eight nations compete, in two divisions, for the right to participate:

Division A:

1.Germany
2.Austria
3.France
4.Switzerland

Division B:

1.Belarus
2.Slovakia
3.Denmark
4.Latvia

 

[Mr Kanadensisk]

The owners would rather see players play one game where they just fool around and try to avoid getting injured. Even they are not so stupid as to put on serious games during the break taht will only effect their NA star players.

If there is money to be made they'll be into it.

 

[sandysan]

There is no demand in North America for the World Cup. There wasn't even a demand in 2004. What need does the World Cup fill? Nothing. A best on best every 4 years is plenty, especially in an era where Canada has virtually no competition. The roster in 2016 will be identical to 2014. This is an all-star game. Nothing more, nothing less.

See who? Wait till the tickets go on sale in Toronto and then we can determine if there is demand or not.

I'm convinced that if you could get nhl stars to act in "kinky boots", it would sell out in toronto.

And all this belly aching about the players lacking incentive to play was mysteriously absent from consideration for the world shampionships, so long as Canada wasn't ruling it. It seems that a lot of countries have no problem sending and getting up for what amounts to a best of the rest tourney. Why they would have a problem with FAR greater talent and parity is beyond me.

 

[Jussi]

See who? Wait till the tickets go on sale in Toronto and then we can determine if there is demand or not.

I'm convinced that if you could get nhl stars to act in "kinky boots", it would sell out in toronto.

And all this belly aching about the players lacking incentive to play was mysteriously absent from consideration for the world shampionships, so long as Canada wasn't ruling it. It seems that a lot of countries have no problem sending and getting up for what amounts to a best of the rest tourney. Why they would have a problem with FAR greater talent and parity is beyond me.

I don't know about that, the fact the Leafs weren't selling out games anymore at the end of this season, indicates Toronto hockey fans do have taste buds.

 

[sandysan]

I don't know about that, the fact the Leafs weren't selling out games anymore at the end of this season, indicates Toronto hockey fans do have taste buds.

If you are comparing the de facto national team to the leafs, that's not really intellectually honest, now is?

Pretending like the leafs have some problems or that Toronto isn't ( and it pains me to say this) the biggest hockey market on the planet by a freaking mile, is dmso disingenuous.

The appetite for best on best hockey in toronto is voracious. They won't have to worry about empty seats even if they disk people like hockey Canada did.

 

[BayStreetBully]

See who? Wait till the tickets go on sale in Toronto and then we can determine if there is demand or not.

I'm convinced that if you could get nhl stars to act in "kinky boots", it would sell out in toronto.

And all this belly aching about the players lacking incentive to play was mysteriously absent from consideration for the world shampionships, so long as Canada wasn't ruling it. It seems that a lot of countries have no problem sending and getting up for what amounts to a best of the rest tourney. Why they would have a problem with FAR greater talent and parity is beyond me.

Of course tickets will sell out in Toronto, anything will sell out in Toronto. The World Championships could be played in Toronto and even that would sell out. And since you brought it up, how much exactly did the Canadian players care when they won the World Champs? How much did the public care? The public and the players will probably care about the World Cup a tiny notch more than they cared about the World Champs, and that ain't saying much. Just because the players will still try doesn't mean they will be jumping for joy when they win.

Demand? What demand? Were the players asking for the World Cup? Was the public asking for the World Cup?

 

[tony d]

I don't get the problem with this, I actually think it'd be good for the youngsters to have a team to themselves.

 

[Jussi]

If you are comparing the de facto national team to the leafs, that's not really intellectually honest, now is?

Pretending like the leafs have some problems or that Toronto isn't ( and it pains me to say this) the biggest hockey market on the planet by a freaking mile, is dmso disingenuous.

The appetite for best on best hockey in toronto is voracious. They won't have to worry about empty seats even if they disk people like hockey Canada did.

No, I was referring to the general interest in hockey. Ie. games not involving Canada. If even the crappy Leafs can't sell out, why would these "all-star" teams?

 

[BayStreetBully]

No, I was referring to the general interest in hockey. Ie. games not involving Canada. If even the crappy Leafs can't sell out, why would these "all-star" teams?

Attendance will be very good, if not sellout, then close to it. TV viewership and general interest will be much lower than the Olympics, but there are enough fans to fill a rink. How emotionally invested they will be- that is an entirely different matter.

 

[sandysan]

No, I was referring to the general interest in hockey. Ie. games not involving Canada. If even the crappy Leafs can't sell out, why would these "all-star" teams?

Because its close to best on.best and the parity will be higher than any other iihf sanctioned event?

The leafs font have problems or more precisely, the problems they have every other team would die for.

Close to best on best, no sacrificial lamb teams, in the world's deepest hockey market. Which one of those things screams "failure" again.

The only thing lacking is the IIHF and to that I say good riddance. It might not have the cache of the olympics, but if the organizers pulled an " Austrian jockey team" and drank all the profits, it would still be, by leaps and bounds, better than the world shampionships by every tangible metric.

 

[PanniniClaus]

I still can't believe this. Seems like they spitballed some ideas and took the worst one.

I keep waiting for someone to come to their senses but it's not likely.

 

[bordshockeypampen]

Close to best on best, no sacrificial lamb teams, in the world's deepest hockey market. Which one of those things screams "failure" again.

Why would the players care more about this tournament than the annual All-Star Game? That's also best on best, isn't it?

 

[Gaps]

The only thing lacking is the IIHF and to that I say good riddance. It might not have the cache of the olympics, but if the organizers pulled an " Austrian jockey team" and drank all the profits, it would still be, by leaps and bounds, better than the world shampionships by every tangible metric.

The two extra teams are nothing but jokes and this format is an insult and a slap in the face for every single fan of real international hockey as well as the players. This tournament is nothing but a cash cow meant to please North Americans. International hockey is about true emotion and nationalism and all that has been thrown out of the window to bring in these two ridiculous teams. Bettman and Co. understand nothing about best-on-best international hockey (hint: best-on-best does not actually equal 'bring in the absolute best players in the world and split them into teams with others they have little to nothing in common with').

This idea was terrible 6 months ago, is the same today and will still be the same a year from now. This is meant to be entertaining for fans but I am not and will not be entertained, I am insulted.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

The powers that be should at least have a U23 Canada and U23 USA team. The U23 idea is bad enough, but there is not much incentive for winning the World Cup, if you don't even get to represent your country.

As corrupt as FIFA is, I like their idea of sending the best teams to compete for the World Cup, by having qualifiers to determine who the top 10 nations will be. If NHL players from Denmark, Slovenia, or Belarus don't qualify, tough luck.

My idea for the World Cup:

Take the traditionally best six nations, and give them automatic births:

1.Canada
2.USA
3.Russia
4.Sweden
5.Finland
6.Czech Republic

For the last four positions, have eight nations compete, in two divisions, for the right to participate:

Division A:

1.Germany
2.Austria
3.France
4.Switzerland

Division B:

1.Belarus
2.Slovakia
3.Denmark
4.Latvia

Did you arbitrarily pick those 8 bottom teams?

 

[Zine]

As long as the NHL doesn't promote World Cup as a replacement for the Olympics, no harm no foul. I'll watch and (hopefully) enjoy it.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Where can I get a 'Team Leftovers' Jersey?

 

[sandysan]

The two extra teams are nothing but jokes and this format is an insult and a slap in the face for every single fan of real international hockey as well as the players. This tournament is nothing but a cash cow meant to please North Americans. International hockey is about true emotion and nationalism and all that has been thrown out of the window to bring in these two ridiculous teams. Bettman and Co. understand nothing about best-on-best international hockey (hint: best-on-best does not actually equal 'bring in the absolute best players in the world and split them into teams with others they have little to nothing in common with').

This idea was terrible 6 months ago, is the same today and will still be the same a year from now. This is meant to be entertaining for fans but I am not and will not be entertained, I am insulted.

I guess I value best on best over an event uber nationalists get to chest thump over.

And for parity team leftovers WILL be more competitive than " team cannon fodder".

How good is your pure international hockey tournament gonna be when it's rosters are full of AHL rejects and college kids?

 

[Hanji]

Where can I get a 'Team Leftovers' Jersey?

They're gonna be selling like hotcakes!

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I guess I value best on best over an event uber nationalists get to chest thump over.

And for parity team leftovers WILL be more competitive than " team cannon fodder".

How good is your pure international hockey tournament gonna be when it's rosters are full of AHL rejects and college kids?

But this will not be best on best. It's NHL all star selections playing on, for the most part, arbitrarily made up teams.

While most of the world's best players are in the NHL, not all are. Since 1998 (when NHL started going to the Olympics), CZE, RUS, FIN and SWE have all medaled multiple times in the Olympics. Often times finishing ahead of CAN and USA. And all have boasted at least 5 (and as many as 13) non-NHL players.

It's clear that when given a choice, Euro national teams will select players from other leagues. And many times, those players play crucial roles on those teams. And lead their team to success.

 

[JETZZZ]

I am realllllly hoping we see the european leftovers team play team youngunzzzzzz in the finals

 

[Jets4Life]

Did you arbitrarily pick those 8 bottom teams?

Nope. I would go with the IIHF rankings.

As of today:

1. Canada
2. Russia
3. Sweden
4. Finland
5. USA
6. Czech Republic
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7. Switzerland
8. Slovakia
9. Belarus
10. Latvia
11. Norway
12. France
13. Germany
14. Slovenia
15. Denmark
16. Austria
17. Kazakhstan
18. Italy
19. Hungary
20. Japan

Maybe take the top six hockey powerhouse teams (Canada, USA, Sweden, Finland, Russia, Czech), and then have the next 10 best teams qualify for the last four spots, in a qualifying tourney. All I know is my proposed format is light years ahead of the half-baked NHL plan.

 

[Jets4Life]

I am realllllly hoping we see the european leftovers team play team youngunzzzzzz in the finals

I'm hoping for a Finland-Leftover Cup Final. I want the match that would garner the lowest possible ratings, just to stick it to the NHL, and their greedy ways.