Weekes: Teams interested in Trent Frederic

[wintersej]

You wanted the Bruins to instantly trade Orlov, Hathaway and Bertuzzi after trading for them at the deadline? What?

You wanted them to trade Debrusk when they were like top 3 in the entire league? What?

All fan bases have people with tear it down fetishes. The reality is that, like many markets, Boston ain’t gonna tear it down until they have to. They have retooled on the fly successfully before. But I don’t have to tell a Wings fan that sometimes that luck/ability runs dry and the rebuild is forced on you. Bruins haven’t reached that point yet, but they do need to push some buttons soon here.

 

[Fatass]

You wanted the Bruins to instantly trade Orlov, Hathaway and Bertuzzi after trading for them at the deadline? What?

You wanted them to trade Debrusk when they were like top 3 in the entire league? What?

The issue now though is the Bruins are very much in the group at the bottom of their division. They are getting older. The way they can (maybe?) insert some high end youth is by trading their coming UFAs for younger players and picks. What they did last summer is lose UFAs and sign older guys to big dollars. Clearly they are trying to stretch out their playoff window. Not too sure their method is the best way to accomplish that though.

 

[wintersej]

The issue now though is the Bruins are very much in the group at the bottom of their division. They are getting older. The way they can (maybe?) insert some high end youth is by trading their coming UFAs for younger players and picks. What they did last summer is lose UFAs and sign older guys to big dollars. Clearly they are trying to stretch out their playoff window. Not too sure their method is the best way to accomplish that though.

IIRC you are a Leafs fan. Bruins have half as many guys over 30 on the roster than the Leafs. They are a brutally slow team. Amongst the slowest in the league. But that isn’t an age problem.

 

[Fatass]

IIRC you are a Leafs fan. Bruins have half as many guys over 30 on the roster than the Leafs. They are a brutally slow team. Amongst the slowest in the league. But that isn’t an age problem.

Tbh I hate the Leafs and celebrated their playoff losses to the Bruins. (Not a Bruins’ fan; just happy to see the Leafs lose)
The Bruins are at that stage now where they aren’t good enough to allow UFAs, who have value, to walk away for nothing and then expect to sign UFAs (to big contracts: Zadorov and Lindholm for example) to replace them. That philosophy, imo, only makes a team older and not better.
If they can move their coming UFAs for younger players they can extend the Pasta, McAvoy window.
Imo the Bruins should go after Zegras.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Where did I, say that ?

You’re criticizing them for letting UFA to be players go for free… while they’re contending?

The issue now though is the Bruins are very much in the group at the bottom of their division. They are getting older. The way they can (maybe?) insert some high end youth is by trading their coming UFAs for younger players and picks. What they did last summer is lose UFAs and sign older guys to big dollars. Clearly they are trying to stretch out their playoff window. Not too sure their method is the best way to accomplish that though.

At the deadline they were battling for 1st in the league…. Why would they trade Debrusk, their only notable UFA they let go?

 

[Hookslide]

You’re criticizing them for letting UFA to be players go for free… while they’re contending?

That is not what I said, he went out and acquired 3 players Orlov, Hathaway and Bertuzzi, after giving up assets for them and could not resign them, to add to his problem he needed to trade Hall, for cap reasons, and knew he was losing Bergeron and Krecji, who he never should have brought back, and the was stuck with their bonus money the following season. So bottom line no matter how you spin it SWEENEY f***ED UP!!!!!

 

[Fatass]

You’re criticizing them for letting UFA to be players go for free… while they’re contending?


At the deadline they were battling for 1st in the league…. Why would they trade Debrusk, their only notable UFA they let go?

And this year the Bruins are battling with the bottom of their division. And those clubs have either recently rebuilt or are rebuilding. They all have young cores that are likely to get better. All while the Bruins get older and slower. Imo the Bruins should be after Zegras.

 

[nbwingsfan]

That is not what I said, he went out and acquired 3 players Orlov, Hathaway and Bertuzzi, after giving up assets for them and could not resign them, to add to his problem he needed to trade Hall, for cap reasons, and knew he was losing Bergeron and Krecji, who he never should have brought back, and the was stuck with their bonus money the following season. So bottom line no matter how you spin it SWEENEY f***ED UP!!!!!

He never should have brought back their #1 and #2C

They literally had a record setting season… and you wanted them to sell?

 

[Hookslide]

He never should have brought back their #1 and #2C

They literally had a record setting season… and you wanted them to sell?

Can you f***n read, Krecji was already gone the year before, that is what I was saying .

 

[NailsHoglander]

Heinen for Frederic

 

[wintersej]

Tbh I hate the Leafs and celebrated their playoff losses to the Bruins. (Not a Bruins’ fan; just happy to see the Leafs lose)
The Bruins are at that stage now where they aren’t good enough to allow UFAs, who have value, to walk away for nothing and then expect to sign UFAs (to big contracts: Zadorov and Lindholm for example) to replace them. That philosophy, imo, only makes a team older and not better.
If they can move their coming UFAs for younger players they can extend the Pasta, McAvoy window.
Imo the Bruins should go after Zegras.

Funny, I just posted on the Bruins board earlier today that the Bruins need to make some “roll the dice” moves like the Panthers did with Bennett and Reinhart. PLD was one they passed on. Zegras might be one out there now, but would cost a lot more than PLD did. But yeah, agree they can’t *just* build thru UFA. Especially with the cap exploding and those UFA contracts getting bigger and bigger each year.

I do think some of their issues are trying to move to a new set of principles in their systems and it being a slog. They are trying to go from a “break out with control” game plan that Florida has torn to pieces the last two playoffs to more “flip it to center ice and win the puck battle or race to the puck” strategy and they just ain’t making the plays in center ice either because they ain’t quick enough to win the races or are making bad choices when they do. The latter can be fixed with keeping at it, the former is a roster construction problem. Too many old Nintendo “big fat slow” guys on the roster. Needs more balance.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Can you f***n read, Krecji was already gone the year before, that is what I was saying .

You’re making absolutely no sense.

It was a mistake to take back a 60pt #2C for free?

lol.

 

[Hookslide]

You’re making absolutely no sense.

It was a mistake to take back a 60pt #2C for free?

lol

You’re making absolutely no sense.

It was a mistake to take back a 60pt #2C for free?

lol.

Ok ! genius, your right.

 

[biturbo19]

All fan bases have people with tear it down fetishes. The reality is that, like many markets, Boston ain’t gonna tear it down until they have to. They have retooled on the fly successfully before. But I don’t have to tell a Wings fan that sometimes that luck/ability runs dry and the rebuild is forced on you. Bruins haven’t reached that point yet, but they do need to push some buttons soon here.

Amen to this.

This place in particular, is obviously pretty bad about desiring these often impossible "tear it down rebuilds". Especially in markets and situations where there's just no mandate for that coming from ownership. And where...like Boston, they've got substantial "veteran" cap commitments to "good - but not good enough" players.

When you've got pieces like McAvoy, Pasta, Marchand, etc. you're not going to "tear it down". You might concede the season at some point, but it's always going to be more of a "retool" when you've got those, plus another few practically "unmovable" contracts (due to $$$, NTC/NMC protections, optics, etc.). Plus a 25-year old goalie they just signed to a huge long-term deal.

I think a lot of it is just ignoring practical considerations in the mechanics of how a "tear down" would even work.

The other part is just...somehow, despite watching a bunch of teams spin their wheels for half a decade, or a decade even...there's this delusional notion that teams can just "flip a switch" after a couple years of "tanking" and become great again. Just not understanding how long those sort of "rebuilds" really take. Or how teams typically end up there.

Where it's usually a long, slow, agonizing slide into it. As you wait on a locked in veteran core to "age out". Then you end up in the absolute cellar, and start to accumulate the cap flexibility and young talent to completely rebuild around a different new core.