Friedman: Teams calling Jets about Defencemen

[Kaen]

Jokes aside, yeah, probably.

The problem is we have to move one of Garland. Boeser, Miller, OEL, Myers, Horvat or some combination of Bear, Pearson, Mikheyev and/or Stillman to make it work, cap wise.

Doesn't seem like much of a problem to me, I think the Jets would be more willing to add to Schmidt to snag one of those top 6 forwards rather than trade him for a pick.

 

[Hunter368]

It's early. NJ is on pace for over 108 points. Until the injuries and fatigue start to hit it's hard to say how good a team is. That said, WPG has a solid veteran roster. If their alleged locker room issues are behind them they can be a very good team.

True, where they end up who knows just like any team early in a season. That being said they have had a very tough schedule to start, missing their #1RW, HD coach and all new systems adjusting to. Watching them play last year vs this year totally different look to them, new coaching staff actually has systems. Last year even multi players called out Lowry & PMO for their lack of systems.

Are they a serious cup contender? no
Are they a much improved team this year due to coaching? Hell yeh

 

[Cogburn]

Doesn't seem like much of a problem to me, I think the Jets would be more willing to add to Schmidt to snag one of those top 6 forwards rather than trade him for a pick.

I mean if we're upping the ante to go for one of our top six wingers, which I'm all for, Demelo is going to be someone we're looking at too, and probably more than Schmidt.

What would a Schmidt deal look like for Garland, Boeser or Miller though, from your perspective?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I mean if we're upping the ante to go for one of our top six wingers, which I'm all for, Demelo is going to be someone we're looking at too, and probably more than Schmidt.

What would a Schmidt deal look like for Garland, Boeser or Miller though, from your perspective?

Miller is probably a no interest. I could see Horvat tho being of interest then the Jets can move Dubois. Lots of talk Jets really liked Horvat back in the draft year. Solid responsible 2 center.

 

[My3Sons]

True, where they end up who knows just like any team early in a season. That being said they have had a very tough schedule to start, missing their #1RW, HD coach and all new systems adjusting to. Watching them play last year vs this year totally different look to them, new coaching staff actually has systems. Last year even multi players called out Lowry & PMO for their lack of systems.

Are they a serious cup contender? no
Are they a much improved team this year due to coaching? Hell yeh

I agree with you. That makes it tricky to actually trade a player. A good team doesn’t want to have to rely on a rookie if a veteran gets hurt. Most teams will trade most players if they perceive they are upgrading their team. There aren’t that many trades and few impact trades in season. If one of thr rookies absolutely forced their way into the team then I could see a trade. I don’t think trading a bottom pair guy brings back much of a return and you’d need a rookie to play top four to then trade a top four guy that would bring a solid return.

 

[Cogburn]

Miller is probably a no interest. I could see Horvat tho being of interest then the Jets can move Dubois. Lots of talk Jets really liked Horvat back in the draft year. Solid responsible 2 center.

Despite his advance stats, I've liked Horvat as a matchup C.

Does Dubois play center still?

If so, could a deal around Dubois and Demelo make sense, or is that too high a reach?

 

[Hunter368]

Despite his advance stats, I've liked Horvat as a matchup C.

Does Dubois play center still?

If so, could a deal around Dubois and Demelo make sense, or is that too high a reach?

PLD has two years team control, Bo has one year. DeMelo (who has played very well) has two years control. I don't think you will see any Jets fans agree to Horvat for PLD & DeMelo

 

[Cogburn]

PLD has two years team control, Bo has one year. DeMelo (who has played very well) has two years control. I don't think you will see any Jets have agree to Horvat for PLD & DeMelo

Well I'd be looking for additions from both sides to smooth things out, but if team control is a more important factor in Winnipeg then it is here, Garland or even Boeser would probably be the better choices. We're not quite in the position of needing to move Horvat at risk of losing him for nothing, at least not yet, as despite our cap position being tenuous this year, next year is a lot more open with only Horvat and Kuz being the only major guys that need new contracts.

 

[Kaen]

I mean if we're upping the ante to go for one of our top six wingers, which I'm all for, Demelo is going to be someone we're looking at too, and probably more than Schmidt.

What would a Schmidt deal look like for Garland, Boeser or Miller though, from your perspective?

Honestly don't know as I didn't think the Canucks would be interested in reacquiring Schmidt. The deal probably falls apart as soon as you start talking prospect as I could see why the Nucks would want a top prospect/1st and I don't see the Jets as being in a position to be moving those assets at the moment, at least not until they keep up their current play for another 25-35 games.

Despite his advance stats, I've liked Horvat as a matchup C.

Does Dubois play center still?

If so, could a deal around Dubois and Demelo make sense, or is that too high a reach?

I'd say too high a reach unless Horvat is signing an extension immediately. They are similar caliber players, but Dubois is younger and an RFA.

 

[jgimp]

Winnipeg is on pace for 100 pts...

We shouldn’t be...

 

[Hunter368]

Well I'd be looking for additions from both sides to smooth things out, but if team control is a more important factor in Winnipeg then it is here, Garland or even Boeser would probably be the better choices. We're not quite in the position of needing to move Horvat at risk of losing him for nothing, at least not yet, as despite our cap position being tenuous this year, next year is a lot more open with only Horvat and Kuz being the only major guys that need new contracts.

Not sure the Jets would trade a young center for a winger, not sure if there is any fit there so likely Boeser/Garland are moot subjects for PLD.

Bo/PLD might be able to be done, but like needs some conversations about contracts with both new teams beforehand. Then work out any small plus either way in the way of a pick.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I don't think Dubois for Horvat makes sense

I'm saying Horvat makes sense so then the Jets could trade Dubois to Boston or New York

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I could see Ottawa having interest in Schmidt but a) not sure if he'd waive and b) not sure what we could give up that would help the Jets right now. If anything, we could use an extra 3rd line winger of our own.

Seems like it would need to be a 3-way trade in order to make it work... and that's assuming Schmidt will waive to Ottawa

To WPG:
Adam Henrique/Jakob Silfverberg (some retention)
Picks ?

To OTT:
Nate Schmidt

To ANA:
Nikita Zaitsev
Egor Sokolov/Roby Jarventie
Picks ?

How, exactly, does this help Anaheim?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

How, exactly, does this help Anaheim?

Or Winnipeg lol

Seriously

 

[Hunter368]

I don't think Dubois for Horvat makes sense

I'm saying Horvat makes sense so then the Jets could trade Dubois to Boston or New York

Horvat contract hurts his value, but still he's valuable piece what do the Jets give up to get him

 

[Captain Mountain]

I could see a team like Montreal having interest in a big D like Stanley. Montreal does not have a lot of depth in terms of NHL defensemen. They also seem to be trying to add size on defense. Can’t go wrong with a 6’7 young guy with a little upside…

Montreal also does have depth at forward to move a forward…

Montreal has Kaiden Guhle, Arber Xhekaj and Joel Edmundson at LD. They do not need Stanley.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Montreal has Kaiden Guhle, Arber Xhekaj and Joel Edmundson at LD. They do not need Stanley.

Don't worry. U aren't making the playoffs so these deadline type deals wouldn't involve Montreal anyways

 

[jgimp]

Not saying the bold isn't fair value but Holloway just isn't available.

As for Dillon we need a partner for Bouchard that is solid defensively but we have zero cap so need to send at least equal money back.

dillon+ for Foegle/Borgault? Not sure what the Jets add but might work for both teams in both needs and Cap.
Or Dillon for JP+

 

[Breakers]

That Pionk -- Morrisey pairing aint it
they should consider breaking that pairing up


they are bleeding dangerous scoring chances against at an absurd rate
only one pairing is worse (Savard - Guhle)

 

[jgimp]

Why wouldn't DeMelo be available? He would be the first guy I'd want to unload. ZERO offense and mediocre defense.

He was in the top 10 in Def WAR last year! He’s better than most people realize, he just has zero flash.

 

[Cogburn]

Honestly don't know as I didn't think the Canucks would be interested in reacquiring Schmidt. The deal probably falls apart as soon as you start talking prospect as I could see why the Nucks would want a top prospect/1st and I don't see the Jets as being in a position to be moving those assets at the moment, at least not until they keep up their current play for another 25-35 games.



I'd say too high a reach unless Horvat is signing an extension immediately. They are similar caliber players, but Dubois is younger and an RFA.

We presently have two regulars on the LTIR, two on the normal IR, at least one suspected of playing injured, and have been spending futures on cast offs from other teams. We're....not in great shape. We're also not the team that send Schmidt packing after woefully misusing him in a shut down role, even if that's what we still really need.

We're low on prospects, but I'm hoping we've turned a corner with our play the last few games, and could see more of a push to compete again. We'll see too, as we might not be looking to sell off our forwards after all that, but another bad stretch could mean a trade.

Dubois is younger, and being RFA does boost his value, but I would argue Horvat is definitely the more desirable player, in spite of the benefits listed for Dubois. Faceoffs, playing both special teams, being used as a match up C, elevating the game of his wingers, earning the captaincy all while out scoring Dubois the last three years(granted fourteen points in two fewer games isn't a landslide or anything) and over Dubois' career(I think 10 points in 17 games played)....even as an RFA, I'd be asking for more than Dubois straight across for Horvat. Not that I'd be looking to disparage Dubois, there was a reason I brought him up, I just view Horvat as being more valuable to us then Dubois straight across.

Extensions would be important on either side, I agree. If their agents were throwing around the same number for a contract extension, why bother from either side, right?

 

[Captain97]

That Pionk -- Morrisey pairing aint it
they should consider breaking that pairing up


they are bleeding dangerous scoring chances against at an absurd rate
only one pairing is worse (Savard - Guhle)

Lmao, that's definitely a bad sign. If you are bleeding more chances than anyone except a 20 year old rookie and a #4 dman the Habs are using as their 1st pairing.

 

[jgimp]

kerfoot is more a 3rd liner then top 6, plus Dillon has an extra year on his contract........so I doubt Kerfoot would be a target to get from the Jets. Jets third line has been very solid this year, so its a question also where would we put Kerfoot and is it really worth messing with the good line chemistry for a guy who is gone this summer. I just think Kerfoot for multi reasons is a bad fit for the Jets. IMO zero interest in Kerfoot for Dillon from me.

Kerfoot is a Swiss Army knife, he doesn’t have to be stuck or relegated to a third line role. He’s proven he can play up and down the lineup and he may inject some life into our T6 scoring which is needed.
Not sure what a trade would entail but I’d be ok with Kerfoot in the T9 somewhere

 

[RustyCat]

Why wouldn't DeMelo be available? He would be the first guy I'd want to unload. ZERO offense and mediocre defense.

He most certainly would not be available and as a Jets fan I am quite good with others not understanding why.

 

[Cogburn]

Not sure the Jets would trade a young center for a winger, not sure if there is any fit there so likely Boeser/Garland are moot subjects for PLD.

Bo/PLD might be able to be done, but like needs some conversations about contracts with both new teams beforehand. Then work out any small plus either way in the way of a pick.

Oh, my mistake. Dubois would be of interest if we were trading Horvat, he wouldn't be as needed in a trade for a winger. We'd need a suitable replacement for Horvat, if he's not being moved Dubois would be an insane luxury. We can simplify that right down to a winger for defenseman kind of base. I wouldn't be opposed to him either, just that seems like a big ask to get a center for one of the wingers I mentioned.

I don't see a lot of benefit to a Horvat/Dubois trade for us, without some kind of addition in the form of a roster element we need (if we start winning, hence my request for Demelo) or some manor of shiny future piece (if we keep losing), I agree contract discussions would really shape the trade though,