Watch the first shift of game 7. ovechkin doesn’t score without him. Enough said
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Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Fine, if that's the game we're playing then our OT winners in games 5 and 7 against the Caps don't happen without plays by Fast.
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Ovechkin has never been so close to a Stanley Cup as he is now though. The Capitals are a mix of different things--on the one hand they have some elite skill---Ovechkin, Backstrom and Kuznetsov--and then they have legit enough support scoring--then they have muckers and grinders--a good but not particularly deep defense. They usually have pretty decent goaltending. They also have a physical element and Wilson is part of that.....and actually so is Ovechkin but with Wilson on his line--the pressure for Ovechkin to play physical all the times is somewhat attenuated.
The Capitals back when they drafted Wilson absolutely foresaw a day when he would be beating up on opponents--either driving them through the boards with hits or punching them with his fists. The Capitals knew what kind of player he was and knew that he would walk the line on dirty play. Drafting him was a cold blooded and rational decision on their part. You might ask why they thought that needed that?---but apparently they did think that and he's become a very important player on their team---even if he doesn't score a lot. Even if he gets suspended occasionally. IMO he's a dangerous player but I don't think they care what I think or what anyone else who doesn't like him thinks.
Not every team is built the same and not every team that has sustained success gets there the same way. The Rangers under AV kind of eschewed the physical way and for a period of time did pretty well (though falling short of a championship) but that doesn't mean all the better teams have to do it the same way to get similar or even better results. There are more essential things that physical play---being able to play with speed for instance--good goaltending but an ability to beat up physically on another team is an advantage that some very good teams still employ. It helps though when the guys who are doing that are better players than Tanner Glass.
Machinehead
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The point is, take out Wilson's dirty play, and they're remarkably similar players. So why is it a need?
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I'm actually quite interested to see if Quinn let's Kreider walk the edge that AV was hesitant to allow.
If he can capture a lot of where he left off with Zibanejad, and have that element that earns him a little space and pisses opponents off, that's a hell of a combination to have.
If he can capture a lot of where he left off with Zibanejad, and have that element that earns him a little space and pisses opponents off, that's a hell of a combination to have.
I think McLeod is a lousy player and lousy fighter, he loses more than he wins.
I would actually like to sign Tanner Glass he can skate, hit, kill penalties and wins most fights and he can play in AHL or NHL to protect young players.
I would actually like to sign Tanner Glass he can skate, hit, kill penalties and wins most fights and he can play in AHL or NHL to protect young players.
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An unironic suggestion that we should bring back Glass is officially rock bottom.
Who do you suggests is the enforcer for Rangers/Wolfpack? Let me know if you find a better option than Glass.
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so? We just played McLeod. Vegas just gave up a ton for Reaves. Need to have at least one, obviously somebody that can also play hockey.
Machinehead
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Team toughness is a worthy discussion but enforcers are dead and have been for years. Reaves had all of six fights this year.
You say they obviously have to also play hockey and yet you suggest Glass.
That guy is not Glass.
Reeves was a salary dump to Vegas and was an extra for most of their playoff run. For the "enforcer" role hes actually half decent as a player but still pretty bad relative to the league.
They should try to draft and develop a top 9 guy who can do all of that stuff if need be. No need to assign a marginal to below marginal talent a starting job on your team if he brings nothing else to the table.
Thats Tanner Glass.
Reeves was a salary dump to Vegas and was an extra for most of their playoff run. For the "enforcer" role hes actually half decent as a player but still pretty bad relative to the league.
They should try to draft and develop a top 9 guy who can do all of that stuff if need be. No need to assign a marginal to below marginal talent a starting job on your team if he brings nothing else to the table.
Thats Tanner Glass.
he can skate circles around McLeod and beat him 9 out of 10 times and can throw hard hits and kill penalties.
Of course I would rather them sign somebody out of AHL or Juniors who can be the new Reaves if they can find somebody like that.
And while maybe Reaves was a bit of a salary dump for Penguins, Vegas gave up a lot for him in that trade. And Penguins did not get past Caps, while Vegas is in the finals.
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Machinehead
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My kids can skate circles around McLeod and I don't have kids.
If that's the standard, pick a different standard.
Irishguy42
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Now that Reaves scored the WCF clinching goal, people seemingly feeI vindicated for supporting enforcers.
That goal was a f***ing microcosm of the Knights season.....
Until Lindberg buries the game 7 OT winner in the finals.
Yes the prototypical enforcer seems like its gone in today’s NHL but You can’t just dismiss Reaves and Glass scoring big playoff goals and Tom Wilson being a huge part of the Caps JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT FIT YOUR NARRATIVE
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I don't think they need to go out and start importing physical players right away. They need to start getting players to go back to playing basic hockey....put the body on the opposing player -- defensively, play the man, not the puck. If you're not doing that, all the physical players in the world are not going to help you.
Tawnos
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I consider "tough to play against" to mean a lot of different things, and many of them are not being tough physically.
A group that works hard every single shift is tough to play against
A group that is relentless on the puck is tough to play against
A group that "never says die" is tough to play against
A group that bends, but never breaks is tough to play against.
A group that stays completely disciplined and dedicated to a game plan is tough to play against.
All of those things were true of the Rangers, at different levels from 2011-12 through 2014-15, the balance of them dependent on the moment you're looking at.
If we can get back to those things, through better players than we've had the last few years, then I don't care how the coach gets there. Quinn certainly sounds like he's much more "Commander Riker" than "Captain Picard" in his style. By the way, I don't simply mean skill when I say better players. It's not a coincidence that this team lost something with the departures of Richards, MSL and Hagelin. All three of those guys sort of embody the 5 things I laid out above.
It will be interesting to see if we can get back to it.
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