Team toughness

[Off Sides]

Listen guys i know most of you hate me and thats cool we all have an opinion and mine is different then most but here it is..


The Rangers are breed losers .. i know we all love this team but once a guy becomes a Ranger he becomes a fat cat content on making his millions and simply not caring. This goes back 50 yr with this team and other then Messier and Graves name a guy that signed or was traded for and excelled here?

The team has for yrs become whinning lil B$tches with the Refs and not policed themselves. The team 2 yrs ago was the first and will be the last not to be pushed around since the early 90's. And can't argue with the success they had..

Yes Chicago won the cup and barely fought. Boston should have won the cup and fought a ton so whats the point?

Captain Chris was crushed in Calgary and no one did a thing
McD two times took shots to the head and not a thing was done
Staal was almost killed by his own brother nothing was done
Hank has been run into dozens of times and nada
Last night was a great example not a single guy stepped up and did a thing.. Why cause the Rangers are small, finesse and completely not a tough team..
Bickel sure as hell is as good as Faulk and can at least be a guy who would stand up for his team..
Fighting is part of the game and we failed to address it ..
Flyers
Bruins
Columbus
Islanders
Pens
Buffalo
all in the conference and all much tougher

Yes skill wins and we dont have enough skill not to be tough

I agree as well although not completely just about the fighting, I really thought it was sort of a mandate from the coaching to turn the other cheek and beat them on the power play / scoreboard but it seems now the players themselves either really do not care for one another or there is just something wrong with the emotion level of the team.

How do they not at least get in someones face, push shove a little after these things happen?

When Brashear took out Betts years ago at least Mara went over to him. Shanahan in some other Washington game when someone else was going on a rampage.

It's almost like they are having to good of a time to get dirty because it may mess up their pretty faces. Then again expecting a Richards to play tough? Brassard last time he fought he got creamed. Stepan? Hagelin almost all the others. Staal with the giant visor? All the same Pyatt Boyle as the two biggest forwards on the team are just not fulfilling their job requirements. J Moore and Falk might be the toughest players they have.

At this point I'd be happy to see Semin on the team at least he'll have a sissy slap fest once in a while. Sarcasm but still...

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

I agree as well although not completely just about the fighting, I really thought it was sort of a mandate from the coaching to turn the other cheek and beat them on the power play / scoreboard but it seems now the players themselves either really do not care for one another or there is just something wrong with the emotion level of the team.

How do they not at least get in someones face, push shove a little after these things happen?

When Brashear took out Betts years ago at least Mara went over to him. Shanahan in some other Washington game when someone else was going on a rampage.

It's almost like they are having to good of a time to get dirty because it may mess up their pretty faces. Then again expecting a Richards to play tough? Brassard last time he fought he got creamed. Stepan? Hagelin almost all the others. Staal with the giant visor? All the same Pyatt Boyle as the two biggest forwards on the team are just not fulfilling their job requirements. J Moore and Falk might be the toughest players they have.

At this point I'd be happy to see Semin on the team at least he'll have a sissy slap fest once in a while. Sarcasm but still...

if they are the toughest out of everyone except McIlrath and Noreau in the whole Rangers organization, Rangers are in deep trouble...

 

[Trxjw]

You must have missed the San Jose Blues game the other night. The refs knew why San Jose did what they did, San Jose walked away with plenty of power plays even though they exacted their revenge.

Uh, I'm not talking about us not getting powerplays. I'm talking about giving the other team a powerplay if we retaliate. I'm glad you could find one example of that happening though. Certainly disproves my theory.

 

[Off Sides]

Uh, I'm not talking about us not getting powerplays. I'm talking about giving the other team a powerplay if we retaliate. I'm glad you could find one example of that happening though. Certainly disproves my theory.

So big deal you take the penalties if they are given. Giving up a power play goal or even losing one game versus sending a message that the team is an actual team with a backbone who will stand up for each other would lead to more wins over the course of a season.

Almost every hockey player will tell you they do not mind killing off a penalty in the situation where a teammate comes to the aid of another.

As far as the effect it can have on a team, look to Montreal last season before and after the Toronto game on 2/9 of last year.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400442634

Went from a 6-5 record and a 3 game losing streak to 5 game win streak to something like 23-14 afterwards.

Yes they lost that particular game but they proved to each other that they were not going to roll over when faced with a much tougher team.

 

[Wolfy*]

how would Rangers fans feel if these two things happened???

Embarrassed.

Do we have any tough dudes in the minors? Call em up.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

He certainly could take a beating.

id rather watch someone take a beating, and at least get involved and stick up for their teammates, rather than have someone that they know that will lose so let's look the other way.. imagine if Lapierre did to Staal or Girardi what he did to Dan Boyle...

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Embarrassed.

Do we have any tough dudes in the minors? Call em up.

McIlrath, Mashinter, Haley, Yogan, Kantor, to name a few...


Wolfpack have more grit and toughness than their NHL team NY Rangers..






rangers stuck up for each other then, i wonder what changed

 

[Off Sides]

Embarrassed.

Do we have any tough dudes in the minors? Call em up.

They have Haley and Mashinter.

Neither are going to solve their scoring woes, but if they are going to stick Miller and Fast on the bottom lines, the ones without any sort of mission other than to skate around and not produce, they might as well have Haley and Mashinter up in their place.

Let Fast work with Lindberg in the minors, they already displayed chemistry, what is the point of breaking them up?

Miller was doing just fine down there along with Kreider, Lindberg and Kristo.

Either bite the bullet one way or the other, if they are going to bring up the WolfPack's more skilled players play them with skilled NHLers. If they are going to leave the lesser skilled bigger NHLers in the line-up bring up the lesser skilled bigger/tougher AHLers to play with them.

Why is it always half way in between with this team?

 

[savebyrichter94]

They have Haley and Mashinter.

Neither are going to solve their scoring woes, but if they are going to stick Miller and Fast on the bottom lines, the ones without any sort of mission other than to skate around and not produce, they might as well have Haley and Mashinter up in their place.

Let Fast work with Lindberg in the minors, they already displayed chemistry, what is the point of breaking them up?

Miller was doing just fine down there along with Kreider, Lindberg and Kristo.

Either bite the bullet one way or the other, if they are going to bring up the WolfPack's more skilled players play them with skilled NHLers. If they are going to leave the lesser skilled bigger NHLers in the line-up bring up the lesser skilled bigger/tougher AHLers to play with them.

Why is it always half way in between with this team?

Not making excuses by any means but it's seems like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We need more skill but the kids we have that possess it don't seem to be ready for top 2 line duty but they also need toughness and grit on the lower lines. It's basically a hodgepodge of playing styles both in the lineup and on the lines constructed. We've been icing lines with 3 passers and no finishers or lines that put kids with skill and offensive ability together with plugs and grinders.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Not making excuses by any means but it's seems like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We need more skill but the kids we have that possess it don't seem to be ready for top 2 line duty but they also need toughness and grit on the lower lines. It's basically a hodgepodge of playing styles both in the lineup and on the lines constructed. We've been icing lines with 3 passers and no finishers or lines that put kids with skill and offensive ability together with plugs and grinders.

i dont see what guys like Haley Mashinter Kantor and Yogan cant do, that one of Pyatt Pouliot can

 

[Off Sides]

Not making excuses by any means but it's seems like we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We need more skill but the kids we have that possess it don't seem to be ready for top 2 line duty but they also need toughness and grit on the lower lines. It's basically a hodgepodge of playing styles both in the lineup and on the lines constructed. We've been icing lines with 3 passers and no finishers or lines that put kids with skill and offensive ability together with plugs and grinders.

I agree, as to why I said bite the bullet, if there are not enough skilled AHL players that are ready, then bring up the players that make the most sense when added to what they have.

What looks better and more like something that could be combined to make an identity, or at least combined to make a line that makes some sense?

Boyle, Dorsett, Pyatt, Moore, Miller, Fast

Or

Boyle, Dorsett, Pyatt, Moore, Haley, Mashinter

The bottom line are not scoring anyway so why not put them to use and at least have some tougher guys who would at least maybe distract the other team a bit if they forecheck well enough.

Not saying it would work but I just don't see the point of bringing up skill players and sticking them with the lesser skilled current NHLers and expecting them to develop.

Either let the skilled guys develop together in the AHL or bring them up with the purpose of playing them with other skilled players. If not bring up the tougher guys who are older anyway and try to build at least a line that makes some sense.

For example lets say they move Miller up the lines, who do they drop down that makes sense? Zucc playing with Boyle, Pyatt, Dorsett?

There just seem to be no continuity.

 

[savebyrichter94]

i dont see what guys like Haley Mashinter Kantor and Yogan cant do, that one of Pyatt Pouliot can

Neither do I, I guess they just prefer their experience and aren't too concerned with the physical side of things. I don't agree but my opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[savebyrichter94]

I agree, as to why I said bite the bullet, if there are not enough skilled AHL players that are ready, then bring up the players that make the most sense when added to what they have.

What looks better and more like something that could be combined to make an identity, or at least combined to make a line that makes some sense?

Boyle, Dorsett, Pyatt, Moore, Miller, Fast

Or

Boyle, Dorsett, Pyatt, Moore, Haley, Mashinter

The bottom line are not scoring anyway so why not put them to use and at least have some tougher guys who would at least maybe distract the other team a bit if they forecheck well enough.

Not saying it would work but I just don't see the point of bringing up skill players and sticking them with the lesser skilled current NHLers and expecting them to develop.

Either let the skilled guys develop together in the AHL or bring them up with the purpose of playing them with other skilled players. If not bring up the tougher guys who are older anyway and try to build at least a line that makes some sense.

For example lets say they move Miller up the lines, who do they drop down that makes sense? Zucc playing with Boyle, Pyatt, Dorsett?

There just seem to be no continuity.

Yep, couldn't really have said it any better myself. This is why when they called up Miller only to put him on the 4th line I was confused as to why Haley or Mashinter didn't get the call. I think it was more about calling up a guy who AV could move up in the lineup. If we continued to struggle he could use him as a means to send a message to the skill players not producing as opposed to actually calling up a banger for that 4th line.

 

[Off Sides]

Yep, couldn't really have said it any better myself. This is why when they called up Miller only to put him on the 4th line I was confused as to why Haley or Mashinter didn't get the call. I think it was more about calling up a guy who AV could move up in the lineup. If we continued to struggle he could use him as a means to send a message to the skill players not producing as opposed to actually calling up a banger for that 4th line.

I'm fine with Miller being up, Fast for that matter as well in a vacuum, but I'm not sure where they are going with this other than sending them right back down once Hagelin and Nash return, so in the mean time all they did was pretty much waste their development time by playing them rarely with some lesser skilled NHLers(I use that term loosely)

For if they are going to keep them up, once, if, healthy they are going to have to waive some other players, sure does not look to me like they are even contemplating that.

 

[Trxjw]

So big deal you take the penalties if they are given. Giving up a power play goal or even losing one game versus sending a message that the team is an actual team with a backbone who will stand up for each other would lead to more wins over the course of a season.

Almost every hockey player will tell you they do not mind killing off a penalty in the situation where a teammate comes to the aid of another.

As far as the effect it can have on a team, look to Montreal last season before and after the Toronto game on 2/9 of last year.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400442634

Went from a 6-5 record and a 3 game losing streak to 5 game win streak to something like 23-14 afterwards.

Yes they lost that particular game but they proved to each other that they were not going to roll over when faced with a much tougher team.

Thankfully the coach realizes there's a time when it's okay to land your players in the box for retaliating. When you're clinging to a lead is not that time. This team needed a win a whole hell of a lot more than a "hey we're not going to take that!" moment.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Thankfully the coach realizes there's a time when it's okay to land your players in the box for retaliating. When you're clinging to a lead is not that time. This team needed a win a whole hell of a lot more than a "hey we're not going to take that!" moment.

Yea thank god AV has half a brain in his head to realize he needed to calm the team down and not let them do something stupid like give the team with the hottest powerplay in the league the chance to climb back into the game with one or two quick goals and possibly beat us, I'll take last nights win 100% of the time of some ******** team bonding i got your back moment.

I'm fine with Miller being up, Fast for that matter as well in a vacuum, but I'm not sure where they are going with this other than sending them right back down once Hagelin and Nash return, so in the mean time all they did was pretty much waste their development time by playing them rarely with some lesser skilled NHLers(I use that term loosely)

For if they are going to keep them up, once, if, healthy they are going to have to waive some other players, sure does not look to me like they are even contemplating that.

Miller and fast could easily force pouliot, pyatt, or mza out of the lineup when hags and nash come back. After what AV said about miller having the opportunity to take a top 9 spot, and fast already being here I see it as those 5 fighting for 3 spots

 

[Off Sides]

Thankfully the coach realizes there's a time when it's okay to land your players in the box for retaliating. When you're clinging to a lead is not that time. This team needed a win a whole hell of a lot more than a "hey we're not going to take that!" moment.

True all the team in the league are shaking in their collective boots now after watching the Rangers dismantle the Caps game plan by letting their players get run over with no response. Bring on the cup.

 

[Off Sides]

Miller and fast could easily force pouliot, pyatt, or mza out of the lineup when hags and nash come back

Yes the Rangers are totally going to waive Pyatt, MZA and/or Pouliot. One guy Sather brought in as a UFA, and their #5 and #7 forwards in terms of ice time per game for their #11 and #13.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

True all the team in the league are shaking in their collective boots now after watching the Rangers dismantle the Caps game plan by letting their players get run over with no response. Bring on the cup.

Are you seriously suggesting that, due to an accidental collision at center ice, other teams around the NHL are licking their chops thinking the Rangers are ripe to be run over?

You're making way too much out of this.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

True all the team in the league are shaking in their collective boots now after watching the Rangers dismantle the Caps game plan by letting their players get run over with no response. Bring on the cup.

So if big bad Brian Boyle went after Brouwer next shift which is about the extent of what this team is capable of doing in retaliation, regardless of the fact that he'd get a penalty that would possibly result in a goal, how would that change things in relation to how teams view the rangers? Boyle went after Stuart after the Nash hit and that certainly didn't make Brouwer think twice about hitting stepan, which I'm not even convinced was intentional.

 

[NYR2007]

So big deal you take the penalties if they are given. Giving up a power play goal or even losing one game versus sending a message that the team is an actual team with a backbone who will stand up for each other would lead to more wins over the course of a season.

Almost every hockey player will tell you they do not mind killing off a penalty in the situation where a teammate comes to the aid of another.

As far as the effect it can have on a team, look to Montreal last season before and after the Toronto game on 2/9 of last year.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400442634

Went from a 6-5 record and a 3 game losing streak to 5 game win streak to something like 23-14 afterwards.

Yes they lost that particular game but they proved to each other that they were not going to roll over when faced with a much tougher team.

But but but advanced stats don't compute that .. And Chicago didn't fight and boston was the tougher team and they lost in. The cup finals

Lol sometimes I wanna ask posters on here the same question torts asked brooks during That post game interview

 

[NYR Viper]

So if big bad Brian Boyle went after Brouwer next shift which is about the extent of what this team is capable of doing in retaliation, regardless of the fact that he'd get a penalty that would possibly result in a goal, how would that change things in relation to how teams view the rangers? Boyle went after Stuart after the Nash hit and that certainly didn't make Brouwer think twice about hitting stepan, which I'm not even convinced was intentional.

I just wanted to see a response within the rules. Such as a hard hit or sustained aggression from a group of players.

 

[NYR2007]

So if big bad Brian Boyle went after Brouwer next shift which is about the extent of what this team is capable of doing in retaliation, regardless of the fact that he'd get a penalty that would possibly result in a goal, how would that change things in relation to how teams view the rangers? Boyle went after Stuart after the Nash hit and that certainly didn't make Brouwer think twice about hitting stepan, which I'm not even convinced was intentional.

You don't wait to go after a guy . Every player go over to the guy right when it happens . It forces the refs to call it the hit, if no one on the ice has a problem with it most of the time the refs shake it off. But if everyone gets Inraged on the ice it forces the refs to call it to keep control of the game. And if you end up short handed you tell the refs to call the game correctly or it's gonna get out of hand.

Did any of you guys play in any kind of organized hockey

Edit: it shouldn't be a goon, it comes from the whole team. These players play a contact sport , and make loads of money doing so ... They can get dirty once in a while

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You don't wait to go after a guy . Every player go over to the guy right when it happens . It forces the refs to call it the hit, if no one on the ice has a problem with it most of the time the refs shake it off. But if everyone gets Inraged on the ice it forces the refs to call it to keep control of the game. And if you end up short handed you tell the refs to call the game correctly or it's gonna get out of hand.

Did any of you guys play in any kind of organized hockey

Edit: it shouldn't be a goon, it comes from the whole team. These players play a contact sport , and make loads of money doing so ... They can get dirty once in a while

I played organized hockey. I tried to score goals.

Last night's latest bad example of why this team is soft came on an accidental collision in the neutral zone during a line change. Im sure everyone on the ice saw what happened

 

[Miller Time NYR]

Yes the Rangers are totally going to waive Pyatt, MZA and/or Pouliot. One guy Sather brought in as a UFA, and their #5 and #7 forwards in terms of ice time per game for their #11 and #13.

Oh that's right I forgot ranking number 5 or 7 in terms of ice time makes a guy a good hockey player on a team that's missing two top 6 forwards... And silly me for forgetting the nhl journeyman we picked up in free agency had a permanent spot on the team while contributing absolutely nothing and being careless with the puck in the offensive zone