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WC: Team Switzerland 2022

swissexpert said:
He contacted him to ask if he'd pay the insurance all by himself ;)

I guess we'll find out soon. To be honest, Fiala has had an awesome season but an underwhelming post season. Now with the contract issues and trade rumors, I'm not so sure if his mindset would be 100% on the NT.
Would be a nice addition but no problem without him.
Josi instead of Fora would've lifted us up a few levels, Fiala replacing a forward would be less of an upgrade.

I'm looking forward to the start now, we have a really good team, no excuses for Fischer, time to deliver!
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I disagree with that. Fiala is arguably the most talented forward Switzerland has ever had. He can decide games on his own with a stroke of genius. I would still take an unfocused Fiala over any player on the roster not named Meier or Hischier.

I agree with the statement on Fischer though. He needs to deliver, the credit from 2018 has been used up for a while now.
 
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Speyer said:
I disagree with that. Fiala is arguably the most talented forward Switzerland has ever had. He can decide games on his own with a stroke of genius. I would still take an unfocused Fiala over any player on the roster not named Meier or Hischier.

I agree with the statement on Fischer though. He needs to deliver, the credit from 2018 has been used up for a while now.
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I saw Fialas talent even when he played here in Malmö. That feels like 100 years ago. All Malmö fans where pissed off we let him go to HV71.
 
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Speyer said:
I disagree with that. Fiala is arguably the most talented forward Switzerland has ever had. He can decide games on his own with a stroke of genius. I would still take an unfocused Fiala over any player on the roster not named Meier or Hischier.

I agree with the statement on Fischer though. He needs to deliver, the credit from 2018 has been used up for a while now.
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Oh no, an unfocused Fiala is not someone you'd want on your roster.
Fiala, as talented as anyone since a child, has always been a bit of a headcase.
He can be the best when he's on his game, but he can always lose the game for you with stupid turnovers you'd never see from Nino or Hischier. He can actually drag a whole line down when he's playing frustrated.
There is a reason Nashville wanted to get rid of him, and MIN only giving him a 2-year followed by a 1-year contract while signing other core players long-term. He matured heavily this last season so the on-days clearly outweigh the off-days.
To make it clear, he's always been as skilled as Nico, but in terms of positioning, hockey IQ and defensive awareness, there is a huge hole between those two.

e: i never said he would not be an upgrade. But you have to give him a scoring role, replacing someone like Malgin in the top 6.
That difference is not nearly as big as Josi instead of Fora/Glauser...
 
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swissexpert said:
Oh no, an unfocused Fiala is not someone you'd want on your roster.
Fiala, as talented as anyone since a child, has always been a bit of a headcase.
He can be the best when he's on his game, but he can always lose the game for you with stupid turnovers you'd never see from Nino or Hischier. He can actually drag a whole line down when he's playing frustrated.
There is a reason Nashville wanted to get rid of him, and MIN only giving him a 1-year contract while signing other core players long-term. He matured heavily this last season so the on-days clearly outweigh the off-days.
To make it clear, he's always been as skilled as Nico, but in terms of positioning, hockey IQ and defensive awareness, there is a huge hole between those two.
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I always thought Fialas alleged "mental issues" were overblown. Fiala is just the type of player who takes risks in the ozone. Sometimes it works out and he creates a chance of the rush, sometimes it doesn't and the opponent gets a break. A lot of highly dynamic offensive forwards play like this. Hischier is a completely different player type and has more defensive responsibilities as a Center anyway. Yes he has better hockey IQ (his best assest) than Fiala but definitely not the same offensive skill otherwise. Fiala has an incredible release and can score from seemingly impossible angles. He has also by far the best hands, puck control and 1 vs 1 skills out of all of our players. Having him on the roster would be a huge upgrade, even if he causes a turnover every now and then. Its also not like we just have to assume that he can't adjust mentally to the WC. He seemed to have no problems to do that in 2018. Only because he had six subpar games by his standards (after absolutely torching the NHL before that), it doesn't mean that Fischer should just pass on a player like that.
 
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Speyer said:
He has also by far the best hands, puck control and 1 vs 1 skills from out of all our players.
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Yes that's what I said. Very skilled player, but it takes more than that. The mentality 'issues' has been widely reported by many disciplinary penalties, missing trainings, etc.
Best shot?! Not in a team with Timo Meier...
Speyer said:
Having him on the roster would be a huge upgrade, even if he causes a turnover every now and then. Its also not like we just have to assume that he can't adjust mentally to the WC. He seemed to have no problems to do that in 2018.
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I don't know why you are arguing, I said already twice that he'd be an upgrade. But we're stacked at F and there are actually no huge gaps to fill. Josi is on another level than Fiala while our D is pretty weak overall. Fiala would be an upgrade, Josi would make us medal favourites.
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Let's not act like he was our saviour in 2018... He scored 1 goal in the tournament.
 
swissexpert said:
Yes that's what I said. Very skilled player, but it takes more than that. The mentality 'issues' has been widely reported by many disciplinary penalties, missing trainings, etc.
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I can't remember a single instance when this actually hurt the NT significantly. He once declined to play at the U20 WJC but he never had bad conduct for the NT on the ice. You could say similar things about Guys like Malgin or Herzog too by the way. And as you said Fiala reduced these issues greatly in the last few years.
swissexpert said:
Best shot?! Not in a team with Timo Meier...
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I never argued he had the best shot on the NT. But he had only two goals less than Meier this season. Those two have different shooting skillsets. Meier is better at scoring in certain situations and from certain positions and vice versa. Goalscoring has been the biggest need the NT has had in the last few years and Fiala can fill that need more than any player not named Timo Meier.
swissexpert said:
I don't know why you are arguing, I said already twice that he'd be an upgrade. But we're stacked at F and there are actually no huge gaps to fill. Josi is on another level than Fiala while our D is pretty weak overall. Fiala would be an upgrade, Josi would make us medal favourites.
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Let's not act like he was our saviour in 2018... He scored 1 goal in the tournament.
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As I pointed out above goalscoring is a huge gap to fill. Yes we have Meier on the roster but Hofmann and Andrighetto are missing this year. And just to put things in perspective: There isn't a single player in this tournament as of today that had more points in the NHL this year than Fiala. So I don't see how he would't be a gamechanger. Josi would have made us the favourite for gold. Fiala should at least make us medal contenders...

As far as 2018 goes: Well he was still a PPG player in that tournament and lets not forget he took a huge step in his development since then. So I don't see how this comparison is even relevant today.
 
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According to Fischer there is no #3 in goal. So there is a possibility that Aeschlimann also get games.

Forward-lines in practice today:
Bertschy, Hischier, Meier;
Suter, Malgin, Simion;
Ambühl, Corvi, Herzog;
Kurashev, Thürkauf, Scherwey
 
Fischer registered everyone beside Miranda and Riat.

So I guess he'll play 8D12F tomorrow and see if Fiala and/or Nino are possibilities.
It's an obvious decision, those 12 forwards deserve their spot.
 
Speyer said:
So I don't see how this comparison is even relevant today.
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Well it was you bringing up the WC 2018 so...

I think we can close this case now, as you seem to agree with basically everything I said in the original post.
Let's hope he joins. If he's willing to come despite the contract issues, it would be a nice commitment!
 
swissexpert said:
Well it was you bringing up the WC 2018 so...
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Well I brought it up in connection with his ability to focus on the WC after getting thrown out of the playoffs and not in connection with his overall performance. But you are right this discussion isn't going anywhere. Hopefully he will report, if not its not the end of the world but it would certainly be disappointing, especially since Josi has already declined.
 
By the way, Nico won 11 out of 12 faceoffs today. Suter also 4 out of 6. Corvi 6 out of 10. And Kurashev 6 out of 9.
 
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By the way, Nico won 11 out of 12 faceoffs today. Suter also 4 out of 6. Corvi 6 out of 10. And Kurashev 6 out of 9.
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Those are good numbers but I don't think it says much against the italian centers. At least Nico and Corvi shoud do well against the other teams too though.
 
Carolina beat the Bruins, so Nino is out for good.

Lets hope they can shed the sloppiness today because against "Concrete-Heinz" and his son you need to be on the level. The last few games against the Danes have always been close. This is going to be the first real test of the tournament. They are going to be very sound defensively so I don't expect many rebounds. So hopefully Meier will start hitting those corners today.
 
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Well thats certainly another blow to my hype after Josi. Meier and Nico need to get it done then. And a lot of the depth and character players need to chip in too.

But this shows that even Fischer doesn't have superpowers in convincing the NHL players to report like its somites argued.
 
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No Josi, Nino, Fiala, Andrighetto, Hoffman...that's quite a goal scoring potential missing. Meier has really to step up his game because he has a lot of shoes to fill
 
Lets hope Fischer shuffles the lines around a bit. Bertschy didn't look good on the first line. He had very few dangerous plays in the first two games. He is just so much better as a fourth line energy forward, a role he excelled at last year. If there is a game where you can risk experimenting with the lines its certainly this one.
 
Speyer said:
Lets hope Fischer shuffles the lines around a bit. Bertschy didn't look good on the first line. He had very few dangerous plays in the first two games. He is just so much better as a fourth line energy forward, a role he excelled at last year. If there is a game where you can risk experimenting with the lines its certainly this one.
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Who would you put in his place next to Nico and Timo? Simion or Herzog might be worth a try.
 
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Who would you put in his place next to Nico and Timo? Simion or Herzog might be worth a try.
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Malgin would make sense but he seems capable of driving the second line on his own, so it might be better to leave him there. Hard to say who could be a good on the first line. Didn't they try Herzog already last year and it didn't work out? I'd probably try Kurashev again or even give Scherwey a try. Maybe Fischer will give the opportunity to Riat, like in the exhibition games. I think Riat played together with Nico successfully on the U20 team before, so maybe thats worth a shot.
 
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