Olympics: Team Finland 2022

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Lehtonen and Vatanen are the two guys who have a shot, I think. The forward depth in NHL is at the level where there is no space for EU players, even if you're 7ft tall and kind of a national legend

I hope Vatanen doesn't have a shot, we already have a guy who does what he does but is much better and bigger. I do not want any Mickey Mouses in the front of our own net.

I'm pleased that the small rink experience plays a big role, Jalonen knows this is an enormous opportunity for his NA-coaching dreams.

The qualifying system after the group-stage makes it pretty much impossible to predict how the quarterfinals shape up. 3 group winners with the best second place record go thru and the 8 remaining teams play for all the rest of the spots for the quarterfinals. Expectation wise, It's pretty simple as usual; make it to top-4 and you have succeeded. Make it to the finals you've overachieved and surprised everyone. everything else is as it should be viewed as a failure.
 
Is Mikko Koskinen going to have a spot on this team with Puljujarvi? .933 to start the year, playing very well.
 
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Is Mikko Koskinen going to have a spot on this team with Puljujarvi? .933 to start the year, playing very well.

If he keeps playing like this until December (which I am doubtful) he would be really strong candidate for the team. His latest showing (although those being few years back) in NT were strong. It depends on Rask situation too. I would say only Saros is lock. Lankinen has strong showing in 2019 which makes him strong candidate. Third is all open.
 
Is Mikko Koskinen going to have a spot on this team with Puljujarvi? .933 to start the year, playing very well.
Since Finland these days doesn't have as many established starter goalies as in the days past, the more recent showings are probably going to bear extra weight. Saros' status in Nashville more or less makes him a lock, but behind him it's all open. Koskinen's bounce back after his abysmal last season has been rather impressive, at least so far. Since Rask is sidelined with no exact schedule available for his return, the next steady options are Korpisalo (who appears to be consistently so-so) and Lankinen (bad stats this season, but might be more due to the Hawks as a team than just his own fault). Koskinen probably still needs to prove that his present form isn't just a streak - but if he keeps this up, his odds of making it don't look half bad.
 
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Husso did get a shutout not long ago, but it's hard to see him getting many games when Binnington, their Stanley Cup winning #1 goalie is there.

Let's see which goalies other than Saros want those 2 other spots the most. It's pretty much up to them now. I don't think that Rask will be available sadly.

None here mentioned but are probably aware that Vatanen and Lehtonen are playing in EHT in 8 days from now and that will be interesting. If they play on high level as is expected of them, that shouldn't change their good chances of joining the Olympic roster. They might have more to loose than to win here. At the same time they couldn't really decline the invitation to EHT either because who knows if that would affect Jalonen's decision in selecting them for the Olympics.
 
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Lehtonen and Vatanen are the two guys who have a shot, I think. The forward depth in NHL is at the level where there is no space for EU players, even if you're 7ft tall and kind of a national legend
I wouldn't want to see that golfer Vatanen anywhere near our Olympic roster.
 
As bullish as I was earlier about having better-than-average pool of d-men to pick from, the fact that some of them appear to spend more time as a healthy scratch than in the lineup does limit the selection somewhat - even though I believe that they would be good enough for us especially under Jalonen's system. But it won't do much good if they're out of shape and touch.

As of right now, we have seven d-men in the league who have dressed for at least half the games: Heiskanen, Lindell, Hakanpää, Ristolainen, Välimäki, Määttä and - perhaps a little surprisingly - Niku (who, by the way, was not invited to the coffee klatch). And that selection naturally gets even slimmer if we figure that Jalonen is iffy about Ristolainen (though I honestly think that he simply can't afford to be - unless RR himself tells him to go pound sand). Although, we could add Jokiharju to the list, as he would most assuredly have played more if not for an injury.

Regardless, there's not a lot of room for error here. Just a couple of injuries and Jalonen would have to take a hard look at the options in Europe - and while Lehtonen is on the top of that list (he's still that one guy from Europe likely to make it even with no injuries), Vatanen would likely be right on his heels.
 
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As bullish as I was earlier about having better-than-average pool of d-men to pick from, the fact that some of them appear to spend more time as a healthy scratch than in the lineup does limit the selection somewhat - even though I believe that they would be good enough for us especially under Jalonen's system. But it won't do much good if they're out of shape and touch.

As of right now, we have seven d-men in the league who have dressed for at least half the games: Heiskanen, Lindell, Hakanpää, Ristolainen, Välimäki, Määttä and - perhaps a little surprisingly - Niku (who, by the way, was not invited to the coffee klatch). And that selection naturally gets even slimmer if we figure that Jalonen is iffy about Ristolainen (though I honestly think that he simply can't afford to be - unless RR himself tells him to go pound sand). Although, we could add Jokiharju to the list, as he would most assuredly have played more if not for an injury.

Regardless, there's not a lot of room for error here. Just a couple of injuries and Jalonen would have to take a hard look at the options in Europe - and while Lehtonen is on the top of that list (he's still that one guy from Europe likely to make it even with no injuries), Vatanen would likely be right on his heels.

Yeah I was worried about that at the start of the season when I looked at some pre season games and rosters. Lot of Finnish Ds are 6,7 or 8 eight in the depth chart of their teams and that can mean lot of time in press box. And that has happened. I think Niku overall is long shot candidate and I would seek rather options from Europe.

Mildly surpised that Pokka and Kaski aren´t in the EHT team. Jalonen selected (and almost everyone is there) basically every long-shot candidate to the team other than them.

But I wait my roster prediction till early december when we have decent sample size of players (and their teams) games.
 
And again it is very early in the season and some are just having a bad slump, but our bottom six high IQ (sorry had to) candidates are being extremely cold on offensive side. But there is only less than two months two the selections and it does not make the selections any easier.
 
Mildly surpised that Pokka and Kaski aren´t in the EHT team. Jalonen selected (and almost everyone is there) basically every long-shot candidate to the team other than them.

They will probably be in the EHT Russia team if no injuries.

And again it is very early in the season and some are just having a bad slump, but our bottom six high IQ (sorry had to) candidates are being extremely cold on offensive side. But there is only less than two months two the selections and it does not make the selections any easier.

Granny to #4 center is the key and build a quality line around him that can do a lot things in both ends of the ice. Give him Armia as a line mate (if I remember right they have history together as well in juniors). I know that Granny is a beast at the moment and gets easily the most ice time in Nashville out of their forwards game after game but putting him to #4 center is not a shame in this team Finland full of many good centers. Granny is ahead of Hintz in the center hierarchy but Granlund is the one better defensively so it has to be done that way.
 
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Reading all these posts, I think Vatanen has become underrated.

The guy is a poor mans Timonen when playing well, in the way he can move the puck and defend despite his size. His training motivation might be poor, but he would give his all on the ice if chosen for the Olympic roster.
 
Granny to #4 center is the key and build a quality line around him that can do a lot things in both ends of the ice. Give him Armia as a line mate (if I remember right they have history together as well in juniors). I know that Granny is a beast at the moment and gets easily the most ice time in Nashville out of their forwards game after game but putting him to #4 center is not a shame in this team Finland full of many good centers. Granny is ahead of Hintz in the center hierarchy but Granlund is the one better defensively so it has to be done that way.
Do I believe that Granlund could execute the 4C duties in this team without much complaints? Absolutely. However, there's depth and then there's "depth". We have a plenty of good high-profile forwards on paper, but how many do we really have, judging by their actual production? While we shouldn't draw too hasty conclusions with a mere 10 game sample size, right now we have seven forwards who are hitting the coveted PPG mark in the season so far: Aho, Teräväinen, Puljujärvi, Barkov, Rantanen, Laine (hopefully he can keep it up once his injury's healed) and Granlund. On top of them, we have two guys roughly on the 0.5PPG pace: Donskoi and Kapanen. Then we have a couple of curious cases in Hintz and Tolvanen, who appear a bit snakebitten in the sense that they're doing a lot of stuff right, but can't just find the net. Of the names present in the top-9 speculations, Kakko has been a bit of a disappointment - both productionwise and how he looks in general. (But he still has time to turn it around.)

If we had around 8-9 forwards producing on the same pace as Granlund, I'd see no problem placing him in a more defensive role. But right now, we have only six besides him. So, I guess the question boils down to: what do we want our third line to be? Should we attempt to build a third scoring unit or a more traditional energy line? Without Granlund, we have do have decent tools for the latter (as usual), but if we want it to be a constant scoring threat, then dropping Granlund outside the top-9 does feel like a bit of a waste. Especially since he's far from our only option for playing that 4C role - I know I've been promoting Haula, but any of the three big L's - Luostarinen, Lammikko and Lundell - would do as well.

So, we have five people who can play 4C roughly to the equal measure, but if we place Granlund into the slot, then we'd end up having a lesser option in a top-9 winger role. And special teams are likely a consideration as well - we can safely say that Granny will be in one of the PP units, no matter his 5-on-5 role. And the line that usually goes out following PP is the bottom one - which would mean that somebody else would have to take that shift anyway as Granny's on the bench cooling his heels.

To sum up, I'm not calling Granlund as 4C a completely outlandish idea, but I'm not sold on the pros outweighing the cons.
 
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Granny to #4 center is the key and build a quality line around him that can do a lot things in both ends of the ice. Give him Armia as a line mate (if I remember right they have history together as well in juniors). I know that Granny is a beast at the moment and gets easily the most ice time in Nashville out of their forwards game after game but putting him to #4 center is not a shame in this team Finland full of many good centers. Granny is ahead of Hintz in the center hierarchy but Granlund is the one better defensively so it has to be done that way.

Personally I still see Granlund as key to make the third line a offensive threat. Last year we did see Jalonen bringing old fashioned fourth line to WHC. I do think that even in balanced line rotation Granlund goes waste in fourth. And we have parts to build fourth line a true checking line.
 
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Mildly surpised that Pokka and Kaski aren´t in the EHT team. Jalonen selected (and almost everyone is there) basically every long-shot candidate to the team other than them.
Channel One Cup will also be played before the selections are made. In fact, I don't know how much good it would do for the Omsk boys to be featured in this roster anyway with Lehtonen and Vatanen present. We can safely expect these two to see the biggest minutes; they're the two most likely to make it out of Europe, so Jalonen will no doubt want to give them a good shakedown. It won't do much good for Pokka and Kaski to get the scraps left over from those two, especially if there's an option to give 'em more by having them feature on the Russian leg.
 
Center depth looking pretty darn nice right now. Barkov, Aho, Hintz, Luostarinen, Lundell, Haula, Kupari, Lammikko all seeing steady minutes. Very little reason to place Granlund down the middle, especially as 4C, methinks.
 
Wondering if Aatu Raty could jump into consideration vs. the NHL retreads at forward. He's starting to have a season in Mikkeli.
 
Top 8 forwards are looking to become a pretty evident for me as long as Hintz returnes to his previous level.

Barkov
Rantanen
Aho
Laine
Teräväinen
Puljujärvi
Granlund
Hintz

Then there's Lundell, Donskoi, Kapanen, Armia to fill the remaining spots
 
Top 8 forwards are looking to become a pretty evident for me as long as Hintz returnes to his previous level.

Barkov
Rantanen
Aho
Laine
Teräväinen
Puljujärvi
Granlund
Hintz

Then there's Lundell, Donskoi, Kapanen, Armia to fill the remaining spots
Hintz is playing pretty well, just very unlucky with points. Center core is top-3 after Canada and USA, which has never been the case before. Also when you add Rantanen, Laine, Granlund and Teräväinen to wings we're talking about pretty filthy forward group. Bison Pulju also looks like legit top-6 power forward.

We know that our d-core is pretty damn mediocre behind Heiskanen and Lindell, but then again we have extremely good two way forwards and great goalie. Also i'm quite happy that finally we can go all guns blazing forward wise and not stressing about who's going to score our goals.
 
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Wondering if Aatu Raty could jump into consideration vs. the NHL retreads at forward. He's starting to have a season in Mikkeli.

C'mon. Two games in Mikkeli and now he should make the Olympic squad? Alex Broadhurst is having a fine season in Finland. Maybe he should be considered for team USA.
 
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Hintz is playing pretty well, just very unlucky with points. Center core is top-3 after Canada and USA, which has never been the case before. Also when you add Rantanen, Laine, Granlund and Teräväinen to wings we're talking about pretty filthy forward group. Bison Pulju also looks like legit top-6 power forward.

We know that our d-core is pretty damn mediocre behind Heiskanen and Lindell, but then again we have extremely good two way forwards and great goalie. Also i'm quite happy that finally we can go all guns blazing forward wise and not stressing about who's going to score our goals.

Center line on Team Sweden is quite good as well (below). And your second defense pairing is not that bad. But, you should be careful not to put a slow defender on the third pairing. Forwards fly these days

Lindholm - Pettersson (center on the wing)
Zibanejad
Bäckström
Eriksson Ek
 
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Do I believe that Granlund could execute the 4C duties in this team without much complaints? Absolutely. However, there's depth and then there's "depth". We have a plenty of good high-profile forwards on paper, but how many do we really have, judging by their actual production? While we shouldn't draw too hasty conclusions with a mere 10 game sample size, right now we have seven forwards who are hitting the coveted PPG mark in the season so far: Aho, Teräväinen, Puljujärvi, Barkov, Rantanen, Laine (hopefully he can keep it up once his injury's healed) and Granlund. On top of them, we have two guys roughly on the 0.5PPG pace: Donskoi and Kapanen. Then we have a couple of curious cases in Hintz and Tolvanen, who appear a bit snakebitten in the sense that they're doing a lot of stuff right, but can't just find the net. Of the names present in the top-9 speculations, Kakko has been a bit of a disappointment - both productionwise and how he looks in general. (But he still has time to turn it around.)

If we had around 8-9 forwards producing on the same pace as Granlund, I'd see no problem placing him in a more defensive role. But right now, we have only six besides him. So, I guess the question boils down to: what do we want our third line to be? Should we attempt to build a third scoring unit or a more traditional energy line? Without Granlund, we have do have decent tools for the latter (as usual), but if we want it to be a constant scoring threat, then dropping Granlund outside the top-9 does feel like a bit of a waste. Especially since he's far from our only option for playing that 4C role - I know I've been promoting Haula, but any of the three big L's - Luostarinen, Lammikko and Lundell - would do as well.

So, we have five people who can play 4C roughly to the equal measure, but if we place Granlund into the slot, then we'd end up having a lesser option in a top-9 winger role. And special teams are likely a consideration as well - we can safely say that Granny will be in one of the PP units, no matter his 5-on-5 role. And the line that usually goes out following PP is the bottom one - which would mean that somebody else would have to take that shift anyway as Granny's on the bench cooling his heels.

To sum up, I'm not calling Granlund as 4C a completely outlandish idea, but I'm not sold on the pros outweighing the cons.

Sorry for the late reply on both of you guys' posts. We aren't so thin on wingers position either in my opinion.

This was my original suggestion on our forward lines:

Patrik Laine - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Teuvo Teräväinen - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Kasperi Kapanen - Roope Hintz - Joonas Donskoi
Kaapo Kakko - Mikael Granlund - Joel Armia

It still stands that it's very hard to drop a single player out of that line up but is a role switch possible? If one player is swapped out then yes. Granny to wing is the other good option as you both and many others here suggested and in that case it seems more and more likely that Lundell is brought in as the #4 center. Those PK minutes Lundell is getting and last game he got most ice time only losing to Huberdeau (Barkov didn't play) out of the Panthers' forwards. Those are some very impressive things for a rookie. We don't miss Mikko Koivu that much because we got a similar one growing.

So I like both of the ideas when it comes to the usage of Granny as wing or center. I still lean a bit towards Granny as #4 center, because I'm not sure if Lundell is experienced enough when The Olympics will hit. The Olympics are maybe coming bit too soon for Lundell, so it's interesting to see whether Jalonen would trust Lundell enough yet to give him that role or not. However I see Lundell beating all the other remaining center candidates, which includes Haula, Luostarinen, Lammikko, Filppula, Kupari and Björninen.

Patrik Laine - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Teuvo Teräväinen - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Mikael Granlund - Roope Hintz - Kasperi Kapanen
Joel Armia - Anton Lundell - Joonas Donskoi

Also since Kakko and especially Tolvanen who can't seem to produce points on a pace that we'd like to see are lowering their stocks in making the active roster, I think that Lehkonen has become a viable option to be in the line up as well. He's a solid defensive winger and I believe that he has played quite a bit on same units as Armia in Montreal. So Lehkonen-Granny/Hintz-Armia line could be a thing. That would mean that Kakko would have to be out of the active roster. I'm not a fan of Lehkonen because he always finds an excuse not to join WHC, but I like him as a player so I wouldn't mind having him in. We'd get more experience in the team over Kakko then. He might be more important locker room presence than Kakko and offensively no big difference on the current Kakko really when we look at the raw points.

More on your Granlund comments. Well on special teams we don't necessarily need him on a PP unit although he does that a lot on Nashville. We have plenty of good PP guys and play makers like Aho, Barkov and Rantanen on those units, even Donskoi and some others can do it good as well. Granlund can do both PP & PK like for example Nugent-Hopkins does in Edmonton. I don't see a big problem there. Granlund's natural role is center because he has done that the most lately. We all remember how good he was on the wing of Mikko Koivu, but it might take too long for him to get comfortable there, longer than having him settled at 4 center maybe, thus I favor the #4 center thing more.

Personally I still see Granlund as key to make the third line a offensive threat. Last year we did see Jalonen bringing old fashioned fourth line to WHC. I do think that even in balanced line rotation Granlund goes waste in fourth. And we have parts to build fourth line a true checking line.

Those are some good points and Jalonen indeed did do that in WHC, you are absolutely right. It is very interesting to see if Jalonen still uses that method of line building in a best on best tournament. For some reason in my mind I always viewed #3 & #4 lines being more equals.
 
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So I like both of the ideas when it comes to the usage of Granny as wing or center. I still lean a bit towards Granny as #4 center, because I'm not sure if Lundell is experienced enough when The Olympics will hit. The Olympics are maybe coming bit too soon for Lundell, so it's interesting to see whether Jalonen would trust Lundell enough yet to give him that role or not. However I see Lundell beating all the other remaining center candidates, which includes Haula, Luostarinen, Lammikko, Filppula, Kupari and Björninen.
Props on acknowledging the need for patience with Lundell. He looks like our best option for 4C right now, but it's still prudent to see if he can keep it up 'til the selections are made. (If he can, I'll be all for having him in the squad.) But if he can't, then there is absolutely no problem in using either Haula, Luostarinen or Lammikko for the job. So "if not Lundell, then it has to be Granlund" feels like a wholly made-up argument.

I'm not a fan of Lehkonen because he always finds an excuse not to join WHC, but I like him as a player so I wouldn't mind having him in.
This is by no means related to Lehkonen making this lineup or not (I see little room for him, but Jalonen might disagree) - just wondering where the heck did this legend about Lehkonen being a constant WHC refuser came from. He's played five full seasons in the league. On three of those the Habs have made the playoffs. And one year he was nursing an injury. That leaves exactly one spring when his reasons for declining might be considered a little sus. The guy saying "non merci" just once doesn't exactly make him another Ristolainen.

More on your Granlund comments. Well on special teams we don't necessarily need him on a PP unit although he does that a lot on Nashville.
There are different roles for players within a PP unit, so just saying we have plenty of skilled guys doesn't make a solid argument for leaving one of the best options for a specific job out of it. If you want a shooter, the best man for it is naturally Laine. Net front presence? Puljujärvi, Rantanen or Barkov. And if you want a playmaker? The best one is Aho, but Granlund is by and far the second best for that - so yeah, he should absolutely be on PP.

Granlund's natural role is center because he has done that the most lately. We all remember how good he was on the wing of Mikko Koivu, but it might take too long for him to get comfortable there, longer than having him settled at 4 center maybe, thus I favor the #4 center thing more.
Granlund has played mostly center this season and the previous one, but prior to that he's been almost exclusively a winger. And it's been where he's been largely slotted in the NT as well. So I kind of doubt he's suddenly forgot to how to do it. You could also ask the Canadians how picking more centers than they need and slotting them at wings has worked out for them. Although, there are players who clearly struggle when out of their natural position, but there is little evidence suggesting that Granlund would do so. In fact, there is little evidence to label him as a "natural center" in the first place.

For some reason in my mind I always viewed #3 & #4 lines being more equals.
Yeah, not having a plenty of depth in the offensive department tends to lead to this. I suppose having that depth is such a new thing that it makes it difficult to shake the mindset, but we regardless don't have THAT much depth that we can afford to underutilize one of our most reliable offensive weapons. Especially since we don't lack creatures that can be utilized for that 4C job just fine.
 

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