Olympics: Team Finland 2022

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This is by no means related to Lehkonen making this lineup or not (I see little room for him, but Jalonen might disagree) - just wondering where the heck did this legend about Lehkonen being a constant WHC refuser came from. He's played five full seasons in the league. On three of those the Habs have made the playoffs. And one year he was nursing an injury. That leaves exactly one spring when his reasons for declining might be considered a little sus. The guy saying "non merci" just once doesn't exactly make him another Ristolainen.

I would make a guess that it is related to the bold decisions that Lehkonen made at younger age. I remember his moves from TPS to Kalpa and then to Sweden. He has always understood his value and well... when we are in Finland you get kind of stigma out of that.

Lehkonen family has always walked their own paths. His uncle who was one of the best goalies in turn of 80´s and 90´s played a great season in HPK (best goalie award that season). But then decided to sit out the next season (IIRC he asked more salary and when HPK declined he decided to sit out). And his father Ismo is case of his own.

But I agree no reason at this point to paint him as decliner. He wore C and A in junior NT teams even...
 
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I would like to see Kakko at the Olympics, but I think Finland must have 13-14 better forwards. How could they not? Kakko looks good and the analytics usually say he’s good, but he simply does not put up enough points. I cannot make any excuses for his current play. It was considered a huge victory when he had an assist yesterday. The play was then called goaltender interference. He could’ve come back and gotten himself a point. The team scored four goals. Instead, he still doesn’t have a point all season.
 
I would like to see Kakko at the Olympics, but I think Finland must have 13-14 better forwards.
Finland does have at least 9-10 forwards who are being clearly better than Kakko is right now. Then there's another group of 9-10 who are at least on Kakko's level, meaning he could sneak into one of those last spots, but he's far from a lock. However, this is not counting the defensive specialists, some of whom will be making the team over more offense-geared names.
 
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Granlund has played mostly center this season and the previous one, but prior to that he's been almost exclusively a winger. And it's been where he's been largely slotted in the NT as well. So I kind of doubt he's suddenly forgot to how to do it. You could also ask the Canadians how picking more centers than they need and slotting them at wings has worked out for them. Although, there are players who clearly struggle when out of their natural position, but there is little evidence suggesting that Granlund would do so. In fact, there is little evidence to label him as a "natural center" in the first place.

Well it does give stronger face offs in general having more centers per line. I think it's the main idea behind it.

Granlund was more valuable for Finland in the past on PP in some kind of play maker role, but I still think that we don't have to have Granny on PP units. It's not that big of a loss nowadays. He's a wizard passer but so are Rantanen, Aho, Barkov and the next tier is probably TT and Heiskanen.

This is how I'd probably have the PP units, with 4 forwards each. There's plenty of play making and passing there without Granlund. Kasperi Kapanen is getting plenty of PP time in Pittsburgh but there is no space for him really. How would you and others on this thread put the PP units?

Patrik Laine - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Roope Hintz - Miro Heiskanen

Teuvo Teräväinen - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Donskoi/Granlund - Mikko Lehtonen
 
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It's baffling how certain posters diss one of our most productive forwards, whether it's measured on short- or long-term metrics. I genuinely wonder what Granlund's done to these guys. Slept with their girlfriend? Cut in front of them in a snack stall queue?

Or is it because he's been around for a decade and is now considered an old hat - despite not being even 30 yet?


Anyway, power play. A good power play is full of creative players and never gets static, but the ideal setup still features players who can step into five approximate roles:

#1: The playmaker. A great passer, who patrols the half boards, looking for opportunities to feed his teammates in open positions.

#2: The blueliner. Usually a d-man posted on the blueline. Good at both shooting and passing, creating both a shooting threat and acting as a secondary playmaker.

#3: The secondary shooter. Usually posted to the goalie's left, but can also be on the left, depending on the handednesses the unit employs. Doesn't need the best of slappers, but should at least have a wicked wrister.

#4: The shooter. The player on point, usually to the goalie's right. The main scoring threat of the unit - but ideally not the only one. If he's by and far the best weapon the unit has, the plays become far too predictable - easily readable passes to the shooter either from the blueline or across the defensive diamond, which become easy (or at least easier) to either block or cut off. A setup with an elite shooter and four scrubs *can* be effective, if the shooter is truly elite and becomes really hard to beat either way.

#5: The man in front. The player in the middle of the defensive diamond whose main job is to screen the goalie - but to treat him only as a body whose job is to stand near the crease and suffer the cross checks is a quite outdated view. Besides having a big body, you also want this guy to have a good wrister so they can take shots from passes fed to him, and have the nose for rebounds.

Like I said, sticking to a single static formation is never good - and the players' roles don't have to rigorously fall into this framework - but with guys able to execute them at least adequately, one can constantly keep the opposing PK unit guessing, because there are at least four highly dangerous scoring threats on the ice at all times.

Team Finland, with the players projected to make it, has everything it needs to create at least one such unit.

PP1:
#1: Granlund
#2: Heiskanen
#3: Rantanen
#4: Laine
#5: Barkov

All the players here have a plenty of experience from these slots in various power play formations, meaning there is no need to shave off the corners of a square peg and hope it fits in a round hole.

Now, as for PP2... it gets a bit trickier. Aho, Teräväinen and Puljujärvi should naturally be on it, but who goes where depends on the other selections. Aho should be #1 and Teräväinen #3. Pulju's abilities would make him an ideal #5, but what is a bit of a problem here is that we somewhat lack another #4 like Laine. If either Tolvanen or Kakko (who needs to turn it around) make it, I'd use one of them here. Also, #2 and #4 should ideally have opposing handednesses, since it creates far more opportunities for one-timers. So if Tolvanen, who is a lefty, makes it and is utilized as a shooter, I'd like a righty on the blueline - likely Jokiharju, or perhaps Vatanen if he's selected.

PP2 in the ideal world:
#1: Aho
#2: Jokiharju (or Vatanen)
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Tolvanen
#5: Puljujärvi

Because the handednesses of #2, #4 and #5 here are opposite of those in the first unit, the setup would likely be a mirror image of PP1, adding another layer of unpredictability from the opponent's POV.

But if players aren't picked solely based on their special teams tangibles, and we're left to utilize players likely to make it one way or another, then we may have to improvise a bit. The key is still finding at least a decent shot for #4. One option could be Kapanen, even though he's not particularly profilic at it. Since Kapanen is a righty, we also ideally want a lefty as a blueliner.

Therefore:
#1: Aho
#2: Lehtonen
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Kapanen
#5: Puljujärvi

One more option would be to take Pulju off from #5, since he's got a pretty damn hard shot as well (although he's not exactly as accurate as Laine). This means finding a good replacement for #5.

So:
#1: Aho
#2: Lehtonen
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Puljujärvi
#5: Hintz

To sum up, the roles in PP1 are pretty clear cut. One thing that should be clear regarding the second unit is that it should be built around Aho-Teräväinen, but everything from there becomes a bit more fluid depending on which players we perceive as likely to make it.
 
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I think that Finland needs to take at least one goaltender from KHL, and if so, i think it's going to be Juho Olkinuora. Those stats in the second best hockey league in the world should do it for him.
Jalonen also has his own favorites, and has always had, and he does not forget them when the selection is made!! I bet that this guy will be in the Olympic team of Finland!
Juho Olkinuora at eliteprospects.com
 
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I think that Finland needs to take at least one goaltender from KHL, and if so, i think it's going to be Juho Olkinuora.
Finland doesn't *have* to take an euro goalie - there are enough solid names in the NHL. However, if there's a single euro goalie who has a chance, I agree that it's Olkinuora.
 
He already quit his national team career, right?
He actually attended the coffee klatch, so he probably is open to olympic participation. Not gonna predict how close he is to actually making it, though.
 
He actually attended the coffee klatch, so he probably is open to olympic participation. Not gonna predict how close he is to actually making it, though.
Okay. Yeah he'd be good addition to locker room but there's Armia/Lehkonen type of guys to play that 4th line grinder role.
 
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Hard to say where is Leo Komarov going now in his career. Seen him play very little. Not totally against making him as veteran addition. But gut feeling says that he needs to prove he is capable to secure place in fourth line. Extra men are most likely center options and guys with offensive potential. Hard to see there being spare man for checking line players.
 
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Komarov is a tier below our 4th line options at this stage of his career. I get he brings an edge but its not needed I don't think and its not worth giving up greater speed and skill to get him in.

Also I ve watched almost all Lundell's games lately. Can't let him out right now. He s looking fantastic.

Also I think Granlund should be center. He s playing absolutely great there right now. I d put Hintz as wing.

This is my latest forward group.

Laine Barkov Rantanen
Teravainen Aho Puliujarvi
Hintz Granlund Kapanen
Donskoi Lundell Armia

Also as a side note if Finland manage to win gold in the Olympics it will be because Saros is a God. Blows me away every game.
 
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Mikael Granlund - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Patrik Laine - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Teuvo Teräväinen - Roope Hintz - Eeli Tolvanen
Kasperi Kapanen - Erik Haula - Kaapo Kakko

The first line is pretty much our best center and best winger put together with Granlund's incredible playmaking abilities and two way playing. The second line is the u20 champion teams best line put together and maybe they'll show it once again on the highest level of competition.

Power play 1: Granlund - Barkov - Rantanen
Laine - Heiskanen
Power play 2: Puljujärvi - Aho - Tolvanen
Hintz - Lehtonen
 
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So:
#1: Aho
#2: Lehtonen
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Puljujärvi
#5: Hintz

To sum up, the roles in PP1 are pretty clear cut. One thing that should be clear regarding the second unit is that it should be built around Aho-Teräväinen, but everything from there becomes a bit more fluid depending on which players we perceive as likely to make it.

Many good options indeed. I know that Heiskanen and Hintz play often on same PP units in Dallas, so I'd put them together in a same unit if possible, but the problem is that Hintz kinda uses the same spots as Laine to do his PP magic so I'm not sure can they be on same unit. Maybe some kind of position switching to make space between the two if they would be in same unit. Both Heiskanen and Hintz could be put in Aho's unit as well. In my PP units Lehtonen and Donskoi/Granny would go to the other one then or just not have Hintz and Heiskanen together if Heiskanen has to be in the PP1 which I assume will end up getting a bit more PP time, though I wouldn't mind if the PP duty got split equally as both units are great, but it usually doesn't go that way and Heiskanen needs to get big minutes on PP.

I don't think that Tolvanen should even be in the discussions to be on any PP unit at the moment. This isn't his full Jokerit season anymore. The guy has to really start producing more points or he won't even be selected to the Olympic team in any kind of role. I wouldn't be shocked if Jalonen views someone like Filppula higher than Tolvanen in his papers at the moment when it comes to the Olympic selections. Needless to say that many guys are higher than both of those guys when it comes to the Olympic selections and I'm talking about the guys that would in my opinion be outside the active line up, such as Haula, Kotkaniemi, Kakko, Lundell, Kuokkanen and some others. Maybe one of the aforementioned is inside the active line up.

These were my combinations from before and I'm thinking about switching the bolded parts maybe or not have Hintz & Heiskanen on same unit:

Patrik Laine - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Roope Hintz - Miro Heiskanen

Teuvo Teräväinen - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Donskoi/Granlund - Mikko Lehtonen
 
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Okay. Yeah he'd be good addition to locker room but there's Armia/Lehkonen type of guys to play that 4th line grinder role.

Komarov wouldn't probably have chance to beat either of those guys in the selection hierarchy if it wasn't for him being a good locker room character (actually 0% chance to beat Armia) and a good guy off the ice as it seems. He wouldn't be poison if he didn't get to play any minutes so he might be one of Jalonen's selections in the end but he probably wouldn't play any minutes in that case. Most here probably still remember that he was in Jalonen's 2011 WHC gold team.
 
Centers have been locked.
Separate superstars evenly to 3 lines. Laine needs a workhorse to fetch pucks and grind along boards, for that I have Lundell/Kapanen.
I'd name Granlund as captain to take all extra pressure from media and fans. I want to give a chance for Barkov/Aho/Rantanen to focus purely on hockey.

Laine-Barkov-Lundell
Teräväinen-Aho-Puljujärvi
Granlund-Hintz-Rantanen
Kapanen-Haula-Armia

Heiskanen-XXX
Lindell-Ristolainen
XXX-XXX

Hakanpää, Vatanen, Jokiharju, Määttä, Lehtonen.
 
Mikael Granlund - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Patrik Laine - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Teuvo Teräväinen - Roope Hintz - Eeli Tolvanen
Kasperi Kapanen - Erik Haula - Kaapo Kakko

The first line is pretty much our best center and best winger put together with Granlund's incredible playmaking abilities and two way playing. The second line is the u20 champion teams best line put together and maybe they'll show it once again on the highest level of competition.

Power play 1: Granlund - Barkov - Rantanen
Laine - Heiskanen
Power play 2: Puljujärvi - Aho - Tolvanen
Hintz - Lehtonen

No way in hell. Teräväinen is a lock in our PP. No matter if it's the second or first unit. And I question if Jalonen should separate Teräväinen and Aho because they probably have the best chemistry together of all.
 
I´ve also followed Lundell and he's become a complete lock for me. Haula and others don't stand a chance against him. It's not even up for debate. The kid is just too good to be left out.

I got to say that the wiseacre Filé and others and especially Granlund himself proved me wrong. He's a lock. Top9 without doubt, no matter if he plays as center or winger.

Locks for me: Barkov, Rantanen, Lundell, Aho, Teräväinen, Puljujärvi, Kapanen, Hintz and probably Laine if he recovers. More locks than I thought from the beginning.
I want to include Luostarinen as our 13th option at least, no matter what, because he's well rounded and he can handle the center role. Would've hoped for Kakko but he has to show a whole lot more. When this season started I had Armia as a lock for the fourth line. Donskoi was pretty secure as well. But now, don't know? He's no lock for me.

I think there is few spots left if this trend keeps on, but there are many who are competing for those and it's a close one for me.
I see Kuokkanen, Tolvanen, Armia, Donskoi and perhaps even Kupari and Kotkaniemi fighting for it. I do think I prefer these players before Lehkonen and perhaps even Kiviranta.
Tolvanen can fill a role in the second PP unit if someone gets injured. Armia is sure bet in the BP. Both Kuokkanen and Kotkaniemi can jump in as centers and Kuokkanen scored a goal in BP for the Devils yesterday. Even Kupari can handle the role as a center and winger but I guess it's not likely that he will make it.
I still hope Jalonen has the courage to select a lot of these players, even for the lower roles. A lot of them are quite well rounded.

Olkinuora has probably deserved a spot already. Probably as a third, who knows if he's even our second. Have to agree regarding Saros, has shown that he should get the trust as our first when the tournament starts. If Lankinen can't turn things around that is.
Koskinen seems to have sunk again. He was really bad yesterday.

As for our D´s, let's just say I´m glad that this tournament doesn't start off today. Let's hope that someone will rise a lot these coming months. Because if not, Heiskanen will be our most important player together with our goalie.
 
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I still have armia as lock. Be really disappointed if he s not in. Comes alive in playoffs.

Haula is performing poorly right now. Probably still adjusting to new team but he s usually pretty good at adjusting to new teams. But it's Boston and adjusting to bottom 6 appears to be difficult for some reason for a lot of players. I thought he was great last year but he dropped as my main choice for 4 C. Definitely behind lundell.

I do ponder lehkonen for bottom role. He is a bundle of energy. Hit and miss offensively but defensively sound, quick and I like the match up with lundell and Armia for 4th line. He was a massive part of shutting down all the top lines in the playoffs last season. Just can't forget that. And when he turns it on offensively too he s a Heck of a player.

Honestly, I need to watch more of donskoi this season to get a flavour of how he s playing but he is edging it right now based on history.

The lw on the 4th line is my only thinking right now really bar someone having major upturn in their season. I'm starting to get pretty set in my thinking of the forward group.
 
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There's just not the same depth on defense but you just know with jalolen as coach and the 2 way forward group you just know its not going to be an issue.

Ideally I would like to reunite Lindell and Ristolainen but that leaves Heiskinen with a matcup I don't like.

So for a six i d go
Heiskinen Ristolainen
Lindell Jokiharju
Lehtonen Hakanpaa
Maata Ohtamaa

I'm not locked on any of it but I'm so sure jalolen will get it right match ups.

There's real good defense players there but there's no clear and obvious top six.
 
A lot of good suggestions and suggestions here. My team would start the tournament like this:

Laine - Barkov - Rantanen

This is the obvious 1st line. Everyone is a big and skilled and can skate, score and be physical, if situation requires it. Could be one of the best lines in Finnish national teams history, if they click. We will see.

Puljujärvi - Aho - Teräväinen

Pulju plays right wing by default, but since he is right hand shot it would be nice to see him shooting slappers from the left circle from Aho's and Turbo's dishes. Pulju has also been playing very responsible game defensively in McDavid's line and can keep up with Aho's speed and he has played a lot together with Aho like Teräväinen has, also. I think this line would click immediately.

After the top6 the centers should be Hintz and Lundell and Granlund in the wing of line 3. For rest of the wingers there are dozen of guys to choose from. For example:

Granlund-Hintz-Donskoi
Kapanen-Lundell-Armia

For defense we have less top players to choose from, but I think this would be the best D core atm:

Heiskanen - Lindell
Nutivaara - Ristolainen
Lehtonen - Niku
Hakanpää

Goalies:

Saros-Korpisalo-Koskinen

There is the 1st ever Olympic gold team for Finland.
 
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These were my combinations from before and I'm thinking about switching the bolded parts maybe or not have Hintz & Heiskanen on same unit:

Patrik Laine - Aleksander Barkov - Mikko Rantanen
Roope Hintz - Miro Heiskanen

Teuvo Teräväinen - Sebastian Aho - Jesse Puljujärvi
Donskoi/Granlund - Mikko Lehtonen
I still have to SMH at anyone who thinks Granlund is not a lock for PP (let alone the team) after everything he's done, especially over the past year. Also, having Aho and Granlund in the same unit is quite redundant. Better spread that elite playmaking around. But I hear what you're saying about Heiskanen and Hintz. Especially since apart from the lack of elite shooting beyond Laine, these units are far from "primary" and "secondary" - they should be seeing roughly equal minutes and which one goes out first should be mainly determined on who have had the longest time since their last shift when the penalty was drawn.

Regarding the units I built, the obvious solution would be to swap Heiskanen with whoever's the blueliner (presumably Lehtonen) in the other one. This would give us:

#1: Granlund
#2: Lehtonen
#3: Rantanen
#4: Laine
#5: Barkov

And:

#:1 Aho
#2: Heiskanen
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Puljujärvi
#5: Hintz

Although, I have this strange suspicion that Jalonen's going to pick Vatanen into the team (even though I don't have him in my present personal projection) - and if he does, he likely does it because he likes what Vatanen can add to offense, which would mean he also makes it to one of the PP units. In that case, I'd probably have PP1 as I had it originally, to not have the blueliner's handedness clash with Laine.

PP2 would then become:

#:1 Aho
#2: Vatanen
#3: Teräväinen
#4: Hintz
#5: Puljujärvi

This unit wouldn't operate on exactly the same principle as the other, but the lack of Laine-level shooting could be overcome by the fact that Aho, TT and Hintz are lefties, so Vatanen could cycle the puck to whoever's open. And one could leave Pulju in the middle, where he can create the maximum havoc.


For defense we have less top players to choose from, but I think this would be the best D core atm:

Heiskanen - Lindell
Nutivaara - Ristolainen
Lehtonen - Niku
Hakanpää
Määttä and Jokiharju (if he can make it back in time) are two names no one should ignore.
 
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A lot of good suggestions and suggestions here. My team would start the tournament like this:

Laine - Barkov - Rantanen

This is the obvious 1st line. Everyone is a big and skilled and can skate, score and be physical, if situation requires it. Could be one of the best lines in Finnish national teams history, if they click. We will see.

Puljujärvi - Aho - Teräväinen

Pulju plays right wing by default, but since he is right hand shot it would be nice to see him shooting slappers from the left circle from Aho's and Turbo's dishes. Pulju has also been playing very responsible game defensively in McDavid's line and can keep up with Aho's speed and he has played a lot together with Aho like Teräväinen has, also. I think this line would click immediately.

After the top6 the centers should be Hintz and Lundell and Granlund in the wing of line 3. For rest of the wingers there are dozen of guys to choose from. For example:

Granlund-Hintz-Donskoi
Kapanen-Lundell-Armia

For defense we have less top players to choose from, but I think this would be the best D core atm:

Heiskanen - Lindell
Nutivaara - Ristolainen
Lehtonen - Niku
Hakanpää

Goalies:

Saros-Korpisalo-Koskinen

There is the 1st ever Olympic gold team for Finland.

That's a great 4th line. Kapanen brings a real scoring threat and speed to it. Love it.

You ve convinced me and I'm now switching my thoughts to zeroing in on a third line RW. I think I'd have donskoi there too right now also but not fully sold. I love the 3 lines. And I love hintz granlund together. I just need to catch a few Seattle games now to get comfortable with donskoi. Only issue is I don't have strong feelings for them and their games are even later than the ones I do watch.

I'm not onboard with niku being on this team and wouldn't pair him with lehtonen. Think defensively they would be a bad match but I have no doubt you got an idea cooking there how it would work.

I can't forgive you for leaving Lankinen out. I can't take koskinen myself. No trust whatsoever in him. Too many soft goals but hey you re probably thinking what I'm thinking and we ll ride Saros the whole way bar maybe one group game. Saros loves workload anyway.
 
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Pp1
1. Aho 2. Heiskanen 3. Teravainen 4. Laine 5. Barkov

PP1.
1. Granlund 2. Lehtonen 3. Rantanen 4. Hintz 5. Puljujarvi

I feel a little dirty having an elite PP operator like Rantanen on pp2 but that's a good second unit with everything needed to be successful. Pity they won't get to play much with the success of Pp1.

PP1 is magical in my eyes. There's playmaking and then there's aho and teravainen together. They are absolute poetry together and they can both shoot too. It's an elite playmaking line with existing chemistry and everyone can shoot. I really hope this becomes a unit. Sorry rantanen
 

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