Confirmed with Link: TDA trade dead, bought out by Flyers

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A Star is Burns

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The league speculatively making them wait until 7/9 seems stupid to me.

"Hey you can't do that, that's cap circumvention! Wait ten days, then do it, it's ok."
That's the annoying part. If it was something like the middle of the season where it would possibly change how the cap fits in, I get it. But in this case, and given all the other stuff we've mentioned, it's pretty dumb. I suppose it'll probably get done when it's legal, but a lot can happen in a few weeks at this time of year.
 

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The whole idea behind that rule is so that teams can't trade away one of their bad contracts to have some other team retain and then give the player right back. I.e. so you can't just buy cap space from another team. Which makes the TDA trade completely irrelevant to that rule for 2 reasons: 1 TDA was not even under contract here. And 2 the Canes are coming out on top in terms of assets, not giving up assets for the cap space in the 2 transactions. But whatever we can either let the deal fall through or wait until July. I don't have a strong preference either way. I think TDA at $2.5M for 1 year is a solid add but we could also just use that cap space elsewhere if the league nixes this deal.
 

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NHL when you violate the spirit of the rule but bend, and don't "technically" break it: *crickets*

NHL when you don't violate the spirit of the rule, nor technically violate it: "THERE'S THIS WEIRD WORDING IN HERE THAT ISN'T CLEAR AND WASN'T ADJUSTED FOR COVID DATES SO f*** YOU"

Bet money if this happened with Toronto, NYR, TBL, they wouldn't say a damn thing, but Hurricanes? Just like RBA getting fined for calling out the refs, days later another coach does it and then another, no fines for them...
 

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This is the kind of nonsense that makes the fanbase and team feel like, even if true or not, we're a second-class franchise. Just let the two teams finish the trade and get it over with. It's not even the same managerial group!
You're just mad that your confirmed with link and name change were both premature.:sarcasm:
 

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NHL Accuses Hurricanes and Flyers of Cap Circumvention in DeAngelo Trade​


The NHL raises concerns over Tony DeAngelo’s possible return to the Carolina Hurricanes in a trade with the Flyers.
The Carolina Hurricanes and Philadelphia Flyers were said to have reached a tentative agreement involving defenseman Tony DeAngelo on Sunday, with Philadelphia retaining 50 percent of his remaining salary and cap hit for the upcoming season. However, complications arose and the trade never materialized.

As per a report by The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun on Monday,
it is believed the NHL raised concerns about DeAngelo returning to Carolina within a year of his previous trade from the Hurricanes. The league cited provisions in the CBA that address the potential circumvention of rules regarding players returning within a 12-month timeframe, particularly when salary retention is involved. Essentially, suggesting it could be considered salary cap circumvention, the trade was not permitted to go through.
“Further to @PierreVLeBrun on DeAngelo trade: CBA says if team A retains on a player, cannot re-acquire for 1 calendar year, except if he’s on a new contract. Also says, if team A trades a player, cannot re-acquire him in a retained trade (this situation) for a calendar year. In 2nd scenario, does not specifically state exception about a new contract. So debate: -The exception for a new contract is in 1st scenario but not 2nd. But scenarios are just the opposite, so shouldn’t new contract exception apply? -Is Calendar year 12 months or ‘22 vs ‘23.”
 

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I honestly don’t care either way. Though if I have to hear about how he should replace Burns on the top pair all season I’m going to lose my f***ing mind.

If you really want to piss people off, have TDA partner with Pesce on the 2nd pairing. The Twitter fanbase would pull a ill-advised submarine expedition and implode.
 

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NHL Accuses Hurricanes and Flyers of Cap Circumvention in DeAngelo Trade​


The NHL raises concerns over Tony DeAngelo’s possible return to the Carolina Hurricanes in a trade with the Flyers.
The Carolina Hurricanes and Philadelphia Flyers were said to have reached a tentative agreement involving defenseman Tony DeAngelo on Sunday, with Philadelphia retaining 50 percent of his remaining salary and cap hit for the upcoming season. However, complications arose and the trade never materialized.

As per a report by The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun on Monday,
it is believed the NHL raised concerns about DeAngelo returning to Carolina within a year of his previous trade from the Hurricanes. The league cited provisions in the CBA that address the potential circumvention of rules regarding players returning within a 12-month timeframe, particularly when salary retention is involved. Essentially, suggesting it could be considered salary cap circumvention, the trade was not permitted to go through.
“Further to @PierreVLeBrun on DeAngelo trade: CBA says if team A retains on a player, cannot re-acquire for 1 calendar year, except if he’s on a new contract. Also says, if team A trades a player, cannot re-acquire him in a retained trade (this situation) for a calendar year. In 2nd scenario, does not specifically state exception about a new contract. So debate: -The exception for a new contract is in 1st scenario but not 2nd. But scenarios are just the opposite, so shouldn’t new contract exception apply? -Is Calendar year 12 months or ‘22 vs ‘23.”
Tomorrow's Headline: "Canes forfeit 23 & 24 1st round picks for attempting cap circumvention"
 

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Tomorrow's Headline: "Canes forfeit 23 & 24 1st round picks for attempting cap circumvention"
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Tomorrow's Headline: "Canes forfeit 23 & 24 1st round picks for attempting cap circumvention"
League does that and you darn well know the Canes will go nuclear with their actual circumvention practices. I'm talking Jordan Staal on LTIR from training camp til the playoffs with injury after injury our docs are unable to clear him from. Max Pacioretty signs an extension and spends the year on LTIR until the playoffs start. Freddie Andersen needs surgery for some unknown ailment after extending that causes him to be on LTIR for the season with his return date right around the first week of the playoffs.

You know, that kind of shit
 

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Wouldn't want us cheating by having Tony DeAngelo in the lineup during all those Canes games between 6/24 and 7/8. That would just be too blatant cheating, nothing like Mark Stone and Nikita Kucherov being magically healed for Game 1 of the playoffs or Arizona having 27 highly priced players who may or not be dead on LTIR.

Banish us from the league for this nonsense. Disgusting amount of cap circumvention going on here.
 

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He’s just that hard working grinder that can score a bit as well, lots of character. I see TK as an under sized scorer who’s been inconsistent at times during his career. If we were replacing TT with TK or something like that I’d be more on board but adding him to the undersized scoring mix, I don’t know what I think of it. We play a grinding style, instead of just scoring I think we would benefit from more guys who are great grinders but have more skill than Martinook. Make a team that fits the style a bit better.
Aren't you describing Jordan Staal here? Yet you called that $2.9M signing "gross"?

In his "career" year this season, Laughton had 8G 22 points in 1056 minutes played 5v5.
Comparatively Staal had 15G 31 points in 1044 minutes played 5v5.

Even looking over 3 years 5v5, Staal has 79 points and Fast has 63 and Martinook has 57...and Laughton had 62. Laughton makes $3M / year.

I get your view on Staal and won't argue that with you, just seems like you are applying a different standard to Laughton for some reason.
 

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Aren't you describing Jordan Staal here? Yet you called that $2.9M signing "gross"?

In his "career" year this season, Laughton had 8G 22 points in 1056 minutes played 5v5.
Comparatively Staal had 15G 31 points in 1044 minutes played 5v5.

Even looking over 3 years 5v5, Staal has 79 points and Fast has 63 and Martinook has 57...and Laughton had 62. Laughton makes $3M / year.

I get your view on Staal and won't argue that with you, just seems like you are applying a different standard to Laughton for some reason.
If we’re going direct comparisons Laughton is younger, faster, plays a more aggressive style, and takes the puck to the net harder and more frequently. That’s the style we want if we’re going full Brindy. When I said what I said about Laughton it was under the assumption that Staal was getting signed and was going to be here. I’ve always assumed that. My idea of we should build the team that Rod wants always had Staal in it for this coming year.

I think you’ve heard me enough over the years say I’m not the biggest Staal fan, though I enjoy him much more once he became the 3C. Signing him at this point for four years to me is in a giggly sort of way “gross”. I don’t mind the money, which I said. The contract and cap hit aspect doesn’t bother me at all. I was just fine moving on from him either now or maybe next year.

I don’t see Staal as an aggressive player, he’s always been a bit of a gentle giant. He’s a moose though, contact comes to him constantly and bounces off. He could use a few more guys in support of the style that have the skill level to make us better within the style.
 
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