Confirmed with Link: TDA trade dead, bought out by Flyers

[chaz4hockey]

I was hoping that 3rd pair would be Chat + a big gritty d. Tda nah.

 

[SoupNazi]

This is...interesting, to say the least.

 

[Justicebork]

CDH replacement with occasional PP2 duties?

 

[Lempo]

This is...interesting, to say the least.

Somewhat expected, I think, or at least considered possible. Tony left to be (out)payed elsewhere. I'd like to think the Borg might have joked among themselves about bringing him back at -50% after the details of the Philly deal came known.

 

[Unsustainable]

I was hoping to keep Gost. But this shows that is not happening

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It's fine. Fills a need, dirt cheap.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I was hoping to keep Gost. But this shows that is not happening

Maybe next year as someone grossly overpays for his Pp specialist 3rd line duties and has us take him back at 50%

 

[Svechhammer]

I was hoping to keep Gost. But this shows that is not happening

Honestly, outside of the hot start in his first couple games here last year he was invisible for us last season. I'm ok going back to TDA on a cheap deal, fills a need and makes us better, especially if he's truly going to be playing 3rd line mins.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I am, as the kids say, here for this - if only because of the ensuing (small % but still) incessant whining from the do-gooders.

Yeah, Canes Twitter has been all over the place tonight. They went through all the stages of grief re:the Staal news, then got hit with the TDA news and now believe it somehow means we won’t be re-signing Pesce, which ignited another drama fire.

I wonder at what point in one’s fandom does one gain the ability to just…chill…? Like, I don’t agree with all the decisions the Borg has made over the past few years, and I‘m sure they’re going to make at least one I’ll disagree with sometime this offseason.

But it’s not like I have any influence over their decisions, and frankly, they’ve more than proven over the past few years that they know what they’re doing. So having a personal crisis over every move seems…exhausting for one, and completely unwarranted for another.

 

[dogbazinho]

I like it. It was a need. Dont think it has much bearing on Pesce as this was a PP move. On the one hand it signals we didn’t see another PP option out there and I always felt that was something we’d look for in a 2nd pair replacement and at 50% retention I think he can go on the bottom.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

No brainer considering the cost and cap space we’re sitting on this year. He was a top pairing d for us as one of the best teams in the league 2 years ago. Will be 3rd pair, 2nd PP next year and great depth who can move up if needed. If Chat moves to the left side we’ll be 4 deep at RHD which is such a damn luxury. I don’t think this has any bearing on Pesce situation whatsoever.

 

[AD Skinner]

I don’t think much of deangelo but if there’s one thing he’s undeniably good at it’s running a power play. If his role can be mostly just that, this will be a good move. If somehow this means Pesce is gone it will be a net negative

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I don’t think much of deangelo but if there’s one thing he’s undeniably good at it’s running a power play. If his role can be mostly just that, this will be a good move. If somehow this means Pesce is gone it will be a net negative

I would not be surprised if they announce the Aho and Pesce extensions on the same day. I pretty much see both signings as foregone conclusions now.

 

[Vagrant]

our defensive puck moving took a step back without him. with trying to keep myself off social media more and more, this move feels better without having to worry what anyone else thinks. ghost was brought in to try to replicate what we lost and he couldn't do it especially in the postseason. burns does what he does really well, but his primary skill is getting his shot on net and knowing when there are lanes for tips. our PP with TDA was a thing to see when the puck was moving quickly. he has a snap on his pass that none of our defense has. this team has to score more. it has to score. we could have 3 cups if we could score the puck with as cohesive as these teams have been defensively and positionally.

that's why this losing pesce talk to me is overblown. let him go. we're going to survive back there because we help so much as a five man unit. the league is catching up to what we're doing. you heard matt tkachuk say the canes were the team they wanted to emulate from the start of the season. because it's an aggressive, takeaway brand of hockey that just isn't easy to play against. look at their defense. brandon montour, gustav forsling, radko gudas... it's not exactly murders row.

TDA will play physical. he will play aggressive. he was a superb fit in our system. he is a meathead, but this team needs that because we play a little nutless at times. he can get the boys fired up. he got to experience being on a stone cold loser last season for maybe the first time since Arizona and he should be good and ready to go back in a competitive atmosphere. the mission to cut back minutes on Burns will mean no more 2 minute full powerplays and having someone competent to keep the puck moving is a big deal because god help anyone else that tried to do it last season. when Burns was off we might as well punt the remainder of the PP. plus, the Flyers overplayed TDA. he belongs nowhere near 22 minutes a night.

Plus, I think we have more than we think in Brady than the average fan thinks in terms of offense. An interesting observation in his stats:

020-21	26	CAR	NHL	52	3	7	10	6	30	3	0	0	1	6	0	1	104	2.9	179	1078	20:44	0	0		62	66	21	42
2021-22	27	CAR	NHL	82	9	30	39	22	48	9	0	0	0	30	0	0	184	4.9	330	1734	21:09	0	0		73	95	51	62
2022-23	28	CAR	NHL	81	18	20	38	7	40	13	4	1	3	17	3	0	188	9.6	411	1766	21:49	0	0		62	71	47	54

Look at the progression of the bolded stat from watching Dougie Hamilton and Burns last season and how he has modified his approach. He's our absolute lock at 3 right now. if you have to navigate a world without Pesce and have to disperse that use over both TDA and Chatfield to fill that hole, you make that move if it means getting better up front. we can survive it. moving Pesce would be a slight promotion for Chatfield, but not an absurd one and he needs to be challenged this season so we see what we have there. we have to find his ceiling and it's hard to do that with the top 4 in a chokehold. plus, the idea of Nikishin is starting to creep into consideration as well. I think if he has another year over there like the one he had they have to consider buying him out. with the political situation getting more and more tense, who knows what the next year will bring for those guys.

 

[Borsig]

Nice

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

our defensive puck moving took a step back without him. with trying to keep myself off social media more and more, this move feels better without having to worry what anyone else thinks. ghost was brought in to try to replicate what we lost and he couldn't do it especially in the postseason. burns does what he does really well, but his primary skill is getting his shot on net and knowing when there are lanes for tips. our PP with TDA was a thing to see when the puck was moving quickly. he has a snap on his pass that none of our defense has. this team has to score more. it has to score. we could have 3 cups if we could score the puck with as cohesive as these teams have been defensively and positionally.

that's why this losing pesce talk to me is overblown. let him go. we're going to survive back there because we help so much as a five man unit. the league is catching up to what we're doing. you heard matt tkachuk say the canes were the team they wanted to emulate from the start of the season. because it's an aggressive, takeaway brand of hockey that just isn't easy to play against. look at their defense. brandon montour, gustav forsling, radko gudas... it's not exactly murders row.

TDA will play physical. he will play aggressive. he was a superb fit in our system. he is a meathead, but this team needs that because we play a little nutless at times. he can get the boys fired up. he got to experience being on a stone cold loser last season for maybe the first time since Arizona and he should be good and ready to go back in a competitive atmosphere. the mission to cut back minutes on Burns will mean no more 2 minute full powerplays and having someone competent to keep the puck moving is a big deal because god help anyone else that tried to do it last season. when Burns was off we might as well punt the remainder of the PP. plus, the Flyers overplayed TDA. he belongs nowhere near 22 minutes a night.

Plus, I think we have more than we think in Brady than the average fan thinks in terms of offense. An interesting observation in his stats:

020-21	26	CAR	NHL	52	3	7	10	6	30	3	0	0	1	6	0	1	104	2.9	179	1078	20:44	0	0		62	66	21	42
2021-22	27	CAR	NHL	82	9	30	39	22	48	9	0	0	0	30	0	0	184	4.9	330	1734	21:09	0	0		73	95	51	62
2022-23	28	CAR	NHL	81	18	20	38	7	40	13	4	1	3	17	3	0	188	9.6	411	1766	21:49	0	0		62	71	47	54

Look at the progression of the bolded stat from watching Dougie Hamilton and Burns last season and how he has modified his approach. He's our absolute lock at 3 right now. if you have to navigate a world without Pesce and have to disperse that use over both TDA and Chatfield to fill that hole, you make that move if it means getting better up front. we can survive it. moving Pesce would be a slight promotion for Chatfield, but not an absurd one and he needs to be challenged this season so we see what we have there. we have to find his ceiling and it's hard to do that with the top 4 in a chokehold. plus, the idea of Nikishin is starting to creep into consideration as well. I think if he has another year over there like the one he had they have to consider buying him out. with the political situation getting more and more tense, who knows what the next year will bring for those guys.

What is the bolded stat?

Chatfield and especially TDA aren’t capable of pulling Pesce’s weight on the backend.

TDA was a superb fit for the first 4 months but when the schedule got tough, he stopped looking so good

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

my guess, Philly is running out of retains to make this STL deal work.

 

[Justicebork]

I'll admit to a feeling of calm washing over me when I read this tweet.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Guess we'll see what happens. I'm pretty good either way.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

the buyout for TDA is relatively cheap, 1.666 mil per year, that retain has more value than trying to save 700k in cap space over 2 years. i dont see why Philly wouldnt do that well before retaining him to get "pennies on the dollar back"

 

[Vagrant]

What is the bolded stat?

Chatfield and especially TDA aren’t capable of pulling Pesce’s weight on the backend.

TDA was a superb fit for the first 4 months but when the schedule got tough, he stopped looking so good

Those are shot attempts, I should have explained that. 441 shot attempts is an absurd amount, but it worked. I think there's a big time correlation with defensemen between shot attempts and offensive confidence. It may just be a system thing but Brady the past two years has been so much more aggressive offensively and it has created some strong results. I like how he has cleaned up defensively as well but he does get help from Pesce.

As far as Chatfield and TDA carrying Pesce's weight, I didn't intend to imply there would be no drop off there but I think what I was trying to express is we'd use TDA where Pesce was on the PP and probably Chatfield at ES/PK to disperse those minutes rather than expecting one of them to start playing into the 22 range. Ideally, they'd both end up 15-20 most nights. More trying to say instead of having it be a concrete Top 4, it would probably disperse down the lineup.

 

[Sigurd]

There's nothing really to complain about with 50% retention and him being on the 3rd pair, and being the 2nd PPQB.

I just wish they would've packaged Konecny so we get our 20 something year old elite top 6 forward. Finally get that monkey off our team's back.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

There's nothing really to complain about with 50% retention and him being on the 3rd pair, and being the 2nd PPQB.

I just wish they would've packaged Konecny so we get our 20 something year old elite top 6 forward. Finally get that monkey off our team's back.

I like Konecny as much as the next guy but I wouldn’t call him elite. He’s a 30-30 type guy. We can use him for sure but he’s a step below other talents we’ve been trying, and failing, to land.

 

[Sigurd]

I like Konecny as much as the next guy but I wouldn’t call him elite. He’s a 30-30 type guy. We can use him for sure but he’s a step below other talents we’ve been trying, and failing, to land.

I guess that's fair since his stats aren't that crazy. No doubt he's a step below other talents we've failed to get though.

Thinking about it more, maybe we don't get the 20 something year old star top 6 forward, but we get someone like Toffoli. He's hovered just below 30 goals multiple seasons, and has scored over 30 goals twice; including last season. For the Canes, the trade cost will probably be a lot more acceptable while still getting an effective top 6 forward. He's also big.