Confirmed with Link: TDA -1m, 1 year

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I hope ADA has changed. I was pretty vocal about not wanting him here but it's never too late to be a better person. After spending enough time thinking about the signing, I trust Rod to handle the situation as well as it can be done. No one is perfect, especially me, so I will give him the same chance that I would ask for. I hope this works out.

I feel like DeAngelo and Kane are in similar situations. I don't have to like who they are as people but I do hope they can be better men. Mostly because they don't just affect themselves but their families too.

 

[spockBokk]

Brendan Smith seems like a great guy and doesn’t seem to have any concerns at all about DeAngelo:

 

[tarheelhockey]

That's kinda how I feel. I've got old friends (used to be) from high school that seemed like great people, now they're either raging Evangelicals or raging Woke. Then others who were jerks/bullies who are now pretty awesome people. Folks who like to shit-stir/troll on FB but aren't nearly that way in-person with people they know, and others who portray themselves as perfect angels but are lunatics behind the scenes (my ex qualifies here). Hell I work with people that are @$$holes on the job, but you could kick back with a beer after work and they're a totally different person. People are complex and imperfect, we could all probably be demonized for some toxic trait if it got out to the wrong crowd...

On that note, I have old friends and family who act like racist scum on social media… because they are in fact racist scum in real life.

And they feel hugely emboldened to go public with that perspective because it gets a bunch of positive feedback when presented as a hilarious edgy meme instead of, I dunno, burning crosses or whatever these guys did before about 10 years ago. In a subculture where the real-life conversations largely usually end at “I’m not gonna get into it but ya know”, it’s massively enabling for these folks to engage in a feedback loop with millions of kindred spirits including a bunch of celebs. Especially if they can maintain the plausible deniability of “I didn’t actually go on record saying I supported all of it, did I now?”

The issue I have with TDA is not nearly so much to do with one thing he said as a teenager, as with the fact that he was very loudly and sustainedly part of that movement as it climaxed over the past several years. He will of course always have plausible deniability about the worst stuff, so no need to post rebuttals on that front. But he definitely did put kindling on the bonfire of a movement which centered around other-ing select groups of people, and that movement conflicts with the purported values of the organization as well as the (actual, personal, non-superficial) values of a huge chunk of the fanbase and larger community. That’s not something that just goes away if he seems more charming in person than online.

In that respect, we may as well get used to the idea that a large number of people aren’t going to move from their initial positions on TDA — and that’s not necessarily them being political or stuck-up. A lot of people were in the “**** YOUR FEELINGS” crosshairs on a daily basis last year, and it’s not at all reasonable to ask those people to embrace an amplifier of that movement for the sake of hockey laundry. As stated in another thread: “when someone shows you who they are, believe them.”

But yeah, he does seem funnier in person.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

smith on deangelo (transcription from canescountry) He Said It: Brendan Smith on joining the Canes:

"All I know is Tony for who he is. I’m very close with Tony, he’s a fantastic guy. Obviously, we all know that there’s been some mistakes made, but he’s growing and he’s going to get past it. I just think we have today in Tony is an elite player and he’s got elite skill. And to be honest, we got him really cheap. These are things that are all very positive. He’s an elite passer in the league and you guys will find this out more as the season goes on. You can read these things because everybody’s talking about losing Dougie Hamilton and he’s a player that’s hard to match, but a guy like Tony DeAngelo, with his offensive ability, he can really step in and do a lot of the similar things. I just remember watching him as a player with the Rangers and what he did was pretty phenomenal. It was spectacular to watch and the way he reads the game offensively is amazing. So I know what kind of person he is and what kind of player he is and I think personally, that the Canes are lucky to have him. And at the same time, he’s lucky to have the Canes. I just think it’s going to be a great situation and like everybody, anytime you get older, you grow, you mature and I’m just looking for him to, and I think he can be the X-factor for sure."

 

[BullCityCaniac]

Thanks for posting the DeAngelo videos, Bleed.

Reminds me of my cousin and aunt. If I only knew them for their Facebook posts alone, I'd think they were raging terrorists who would burn down the country to own the libs. And yet when I get dinner with them, they are incredibly loving, loyal, and good people.

It's important to take the good with the bad. It's good to listen to all sides, and not be reactionary. I'm as left-leaning as they come, and I think TDA's opinions are a dumpster fire, and I don't want to excuse any past harmful behaviors of his. I remain hopeful that he will inspire his teammates and work hard for Brind'Amour. It's probably best that I listen to others I disagree with, and it's also important that people like TDA listen to others they disagree with.

A big part of this is the fact that people are generally clueless about how they come across to other demographic groups online.

It's not even just old folks vs. young folks or conservatives vs. liberals. I see it all the time on social, people tailor their messages to appeal to an in-group and the rest of us are left scratching our heads. But it's all out there for everyone to see, so people will end up forming their opinions regardless.

 

[Lempo]

A big part of this is the fact that people are generally clueless about how they come across to other demographic groups online.

It's not even just old folks vs. young folks or conservatives vs. liberals. I see it all the time on social, people tailor their messages to appeal to an in-group and the rest of us are left scratching our heads. But it's all out there for everyone to see, so people will end up forming their opinions regardless.

This is just the thing: it isn't. You don't see all posts from your all friends on Facebook, but only the ones the algorithm sees fit to show you. Often you get effectively assigned into a bubble with ~likeminded people.

If someone was dead set to divide et impera, they probably would do it exactly as Facebook is doing it.

 

[Borsig]

This is just the thing: it isn't. You don't see all posts from your all friends on Facebook, but only the ones the algorithm sees fit to show you. Often you get effectively assigned into a bubble with ~likeminded people.

If someone was dead set to divide et impera, they probably would do it exactly as Facebook is doing it.

Its almost as if Balkanization was inevitable, and people would rather do that than live peacefully with each other, and not cram ideologies down each others throats by force.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You don't see all posts from your all friends on Facebook

One of the big turning points for Facebook was when they very quietly started “curating” your feed rather than just showing posts in chronological order.

From that moment forward, the basic premise of the site changed. Your average user sees “keeping tabs on people I used to be close with” as a major value proposition for sticking with the platform long term. If you never see anything that person posts, are you keeping tabs on them?

 

[Unsustainable]

If this thread and the media have shown anything, Tom Dundon and company have found a way to get the media to pay attention to us.

 

[Negan4Coach]

On that note, I have old friends and family who act like racist scum on social media… because they are in fact racist scum in real life.

And they feel hugely emboldened to go public with that perspective because it gets a bunch of positive feedback when presented as a hilarious edgy meme instead of, I dunno, burning crosses or whatever these guys did before about 10 years ago. In a subculture where the real-life conversations largely usually end at “I’m not gonna get into it but ya know”, it’s massively enabling for these folks to engage in a feedback loop with millions of kindred spirits including a bunch of celebs. Especially if they can maintain the plausible deniability of “I didn’t actually go on record saying I supported all of it, did I now?”

The issue I have with TDA is not nearly so much to do with one thing he said as a teenager, as with the fact that he was very loudly and sustainedly part of that movement as it climaxed over the past several years. He will of course always have plausible deniability about the worst stuff, so no need to post rebuttals on that front. But he definitely did put kindling on the bonfire of a movement which centered around other-ing select groups of people, and that movement conflicts with the purported values of the organization as well as the (actual, personal, non-superficial) values of a huge chunk of the fanbase and larger community. That’s not something that just goes away if he seems more charming in person than online.

In that respect, we may as well get used to the idea that a large number of people aren’t going to move from their initial positions on TDA — and that’s not necessarily them being political or stuck-up. A lot of people were in the “**** YOUR FEELINGS” crosshairs on a daily basis last year, and it’s not at all reasonable to ask those people to embrace an amplifier of that movement for the sake of hockey laundry. As stated in another thread: “when someone shows you who they are, believe them.”

But yeah, he does seem funnier in person.

"Mr. Negan, did you not in fact, during the...ahem...'Great Meme War of 2016' share on Facebook an image of a green cartoon frog named 'Pepe' dressed as Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet with the slogan 'Welcome to the New Normal" ?

"IDK it seemed funny at the time! how long can this hearing possibly drag on??"

 

[hockeynjune]

This is just the thing: it isn't. You don't see all posts from your all friends on Facebook, but only the ones the algorithm sees fit to show you. Often you get effectively assigned into a bubble with ~likeminded people.

If someone was dead set to divide et impera, they probably would do it exactly as Facebook is doing it.

There will be studies done and papers written.

 

[spockBokk]

I don’t personally follow this guy on Twitter, but I came across this thread today, pretty interesting Waddell would reach out personally to a STM:

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don’t personally follow this guy on Twitter, but I came across this thread today, pretty interesting Waddell would reach out personally to a STM:

Doug Abrams is a really active Twitter presence. He doesn’t have a ton of followers relative to the Twittersphere, but he’s a recognizable voice in Canes related threads.

This was less about randomly reaching out to an STM than about managing social media fallout.

That said, it’s a smart thing to do and Abrams is a smart place to start rebuilding some trust.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Don't know if it's the same guy, but there was an "abramsdoug" on Canes country who was a big believer in Jared Staal, for some reason. He was opinionated on other things too, I just remember that particularly

 

[Lempo]

I don't trust guys with last name as their first name and first name as their last name.

Did you notice that Elton John guy made the same song twice?

 

[spockBokk]

Doug Abrams is a really active Twitter presence. He doesn’t have a ton of followers relative to the Twittersphere, but he’s a recognizable voice in Canes related threads.

This was less about randomly reaching out to an STM than about managing social media fallout.

That said, it’s a smart thing to do and Abrams is a smart place to start rebuilding some trust.

I’ve been aware of him on Twitter. I just tend to ignore him as I think he comes off as way too full of himself. Could just be me.

 

[TheOllieC]

People are shredding this action from Rod/front office.

I guess the only thing I’d like to see as a fan is more outreach (in any form), to many others or the totality of us as a fanbase, rather than seemingly only to Doug.

 

[Ole Gil]

At some point, you just have to say, with as little callousness as possible, "If you don't like it feel free to not to watch."

 

[Lempo]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

RBA and DW should spend their time with their families. People will vilify them no matter what. At least spend their time with the right people.

 

[Lempo]

Meanwhile, on Canes twitter:

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Knowing a little about Doug and his usual Twitter postings, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into Doug's experience. I don't think I've ever seen him criticize the team. Literally, ever. Every move they've made or will make was or will be the correct one.

So for him to have a meeting with Don and Rod to change his mind? It's suspect.

If those two start meeting other STHs, then I'd be more willing to put stock into this. But at the moment? Not buying anything about this situation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Knowing a little about Doug and his usual Twitter postings, I'm not going to put a lot of stock into Doug's experience. I don't think I've ever seen him criticize the team. Literally, ever. Every move they've made or will make was or will be the correct one.

So for him to have a meeting with Don and Rod to change his mind? It's suspect.

If those two start meeting other STHs, then I'd be more willing to put stock into this. But at the moment? Not buying anything about this situation.

I don’t know. He was against it from the start from what I could tell.

 

[SeaBasstian]

The worst most insufferable takes I've heard so far were on the Tracking the Storm podcast. After sifting through, no, heavily focused reading through all of the drama the last 10 days, a lot of things about the situation and signing make sense, while also realizing it may blow up in the team's face. But this trio takes the hate, blindness, and ineptitude to a whole new level. They completely ignore so many details of the situation and succumb to the whole "TDA is a racist and always has been" mindset, going as far as to say he hasn't changed one but since his initial "racist" remark in 2016(yr?)

 

[Anton Babchuk]

The worst most insufferable takes I've heard so far were on the Tracking the Storm podcast. After sifting through, no, heavily focused reading through all of the drama the last 10 days, a lot of things about the situation and signing make sense, while also realizing it may blow up in the team's face. But this trio takes the hate, blindness, and ineptitude to a whole new level. They completely ignore so many details of the situation and succumb to the whole "TDA is a racist and always has been" mindset, going as far as to say he hasn't changed one but since his initial "racist" remark in 2016(yr?)

it was 2014. before he was even drafted, and he's now entering his seven pro season. they won't let it go, and they won't tell the truth about what he said (if they've even bothered to research what he actually said to begin with). if i were tony or his agent i'd get out aggressively in front of this instead of letting people like sara civian control the narrative.