Confirmed with Link: [TBL/TOR] Lightning sign and trade Darren Raddysh (8yrs, $8.5AAV) for a 2026 5th rd pick

[Flat Ronnie]

HF logic, Raddysh will lose 5 points without Kucherov and John Carlsson who has broken 70 points 3 times and been healthier than any other lightning Dman the last 10 years will drastically decline and be a cripple. Bad bad bad

I dont mind Carlson at a cheap price, but burning through most of our available cap for him is a nightmare scenario I would think.

 

[NMacrules]

Yea not really sure a fifth was worth it, make them sweat it a little or get a better trade back to us then. If it was a third okay sure but a fifth is absolutely meaningless.

A bad start to a probably bad offseason. We need a better plan than this. Overspending on even older players than raddysh hoping it’ll fix our issues is completely silly. Unless you big dick swing some trade for a promising young puck moving d and sign a tuch we’re f***ed. Any form of running it back minus raddysh while adding like 2 players of little substance won’t do shit. Set up the post series we lost in 5 to Florida Montreal Carolina thread now

2023	David Reinbacher	DEFENSE	Montreal Canadiens
2020	Jake Sanderson	DEFENSE	Ottawa Senators	156	14	56	70	35
2016	Olli Juolevi	DEFENSE	Vancouver Canucks	41	2	1	3	6
2015	Noah Hanifin	DEFENSE	Carolina Hurricanes	678	62	224	286	187
2012	Morgan Rielly	DEFENSE	Toronto Maple Leafs	791	80	392	472	229
2008	Luke Schenn	DEFENSE	Toronto Maple Leafs	996	43	155	198	807
2007	Karl Alzner	DEFENSE	Washington Capitals	686	20	110	130	219
2002	Ryan Whitney	DEFENSE	Pittsburgh Penguins	481	50	209	259	383
1998	Vitaly Vishnevsky	DEFENSE	Anaheim Mighty Ducks	552	16	52	68	494
1997	Eric Brewer	DEFENSE	New York Islanders	1009	77	194	271	792
1996	Richard Jackman	DEFENSE	Dallas Stars	231	19	58	77	166
1992	Darius Kasparaitis	DEFENSE	New York Islanders	863	27	136	163	1379
1991	Aaron Ward	DEFENSE	Winnipeg Jets	839	44	107	151	736
1987	Chris Joseph	DEFENSE	Pittsburgh Penguins	510	39	112	151	567
1986	Shawn Anderson	DEFENSE	Buffalo Sabres	255	11	51	62	117
1985	Dana Murzyn	DEFENSE	Hartford Whalers	838	52	152	204	1571
1984	Petr Svoboda	DEFENSE	Montreal Canadiens	1028	58	341	399	1605
1982	Scott Stevens	DEFENSE	Washington Capitals	1635	196	712	908	2785
1981	Joe Cirella	DEFENSE	Colorado Rockies	828	64	211	275	1448
1980	Darren Veitch	DEFENSE	Washington Capitals	511	48	209	257	296
1976	Bjorn Johansson	DEFENSE	California Seals	15	1	1	2	10
1975	Rick Lapointe	DEFENSE	Detroit Red Wings	664	44	176	220	831
1972	Jim Schoenfeld	DEFENSE	Buffalo Sabres	719	51	204	255	1132
1969	Dick Redmond	DEFENSE	Minnesota North Stars	771	133	312	445	504
1965	Pierre Bouchard	DEFENSE	Montreal Canadiens	595	24	82	106	433
2022	Cutter Gauthier	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	1	0	1	1	0
2021	Kent Johnson	FORWARD	Columbus Blue Jackets	130	22	37	59	26
2019	Alex Turcotte	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	32	1	3	4	13
2018	Barrett Hayton	FORWARD	Arizona Coyotes	209	35	49	84	102
2017	Elias Pettersson	FORWARD	Vancouver Canucks	407	170	242	412	74
2014	Michael Dal Colle	FORWARD	New York Islanders	112	8	13	21	18
2013	Elias Lindholm	FORWARD	Carolina Hurricanes	818	218	339	557	201
2011	Ryan Strome	FORWARD	New York Islanders	782	156	283	439	541
2010	Nino Niederreiter	FORWARD	New York Islanders	887	223	220	443	408
2009	Brayden Schenn	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	940	260	375	635	531
2006	Phil Kessel	FORWARD	Boston Bruins	1286	413	579	992	402
2004	Blake Wheeler	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes	1172	321	622	943	764
2003	Thomas Vanek	FORWARD	Buffalo Sabres	1029	373	416	789	547
2001	Stanislav Chistov	FORWARD	Anaheim Mighty Ducks	196	19	42	61	116
2000	Raffi Torres	FORWARD	New York Islanders	635	137	123	260	497
1999	Tim Connolly	FORWARD	New York Islanders	697	131	300	431	300
1995	Daymond Langkow	FORWARD	Tampa Bay Lightning	1090	270	402	672	547
1994	Jeff O'Neill	FORWARD	Hartford Whalers	821	237	259	496	670
1993	Rob Niedermayer	FORWARD	Florida Panthers	1153	186	283	469	904
1990	Jaromir Jagr	FORWARD	Pittsburgh Penguins	1733	766	1155	1921	1167
1989	Bill Guerin	FORWARD	New Jersey Devils	1263	429	427	856	1660
1988	Daniel Dore	FORWARD	Quebec Nordiques	17	2	3	5	59
1979	Rick Vaive	FORWARD	Vancouver Canucks	876	441	347	788	1445
1978	Mike Gillis	FORWARD	Colorado Rockies	246	33	43	76	186
1977	Mike Crombeen	FORWARD	Cleveland Barons	475	55	68	123	218
1974	Cam Connor	FORWARD	Montreal Canadiens	89	9	22	31	256
1971	Rick Martin	FORWARD	Buffalo Sabres	685	384	317	701	477
1968	Jim Benzelock	FORWARD	Minnesota North Stars
1967	Serge Bernier	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	302	78	119	197	234
1964	Tom Martin	FORWARD	Toronto Maple Leafs	3	1	0	1	0
1963	Art Hampson	FORWARD	Chicago Blackhawks
2005	Carey Price	GOALIE	Montreal Canadiens	712	0	13	13	51
1983	Tom Barrasso	GOALIE	Buffalo Sabres	777	0	48	48	437
1973	John Davidson	GOALIE	St. Louis Blues	301	0	7	7	60
1970	Ray Martyniuk	GOALIE	Montreal Canadiens
1966	Phil Myre	GOALIE	Montreal Canadiens	439	0	10	10	101

2005	Carey Price	GOALIE	Montreal Canadiens	712	0.917	0.571	2.51
1983	Tom Barrasso	GOALIE	Buffalo Sabres	777	0.892	0.563	3.24
1973	John Davidson	GOALIE	St. Louis Blues	301	0.887	0.498	3.53
1966	Phil Myre	GOALIE	Montreal Canadiens	439	0.884	0.442	3.53

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[DistantThunderRep]

I dont mind Carlson at a cheap price, but burning through most of our available cap for him is a nightmare scenario I would think.

Depends on the term. If its beyond 2 years its a nightmare. 1 year is the perfect scenario. 2 years not ideal but not the end of the world. Basically JBB and management have to decide if this upcoming year is the last hoorah before the tear down begins.

 

[Sky04]

I dont mind Carlson at a cheap price, but burning through most of our available cap for him is a nightmare scenario I would think.

That cap would've gone to Raddysh who people are crying about losing, I think we should address the foward depth first but I'm not complaining if we add a massive RH shot also.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Depends on the term. If its beyond 2 years its a nightmare. 1 year is the perfect scenario. 2 years not ideal but not the end of the world. Basically JBB and management have to decide if this upcoming year is the last hoorah before the tear down begins.

Spending $10M on Carlson this year alone is a nightmare. Leaves us no money to improve the top line. All to bring in a 36 year old, offensive defenseman with limited defensive ability left in the tank.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

That cap would've gone to Raddysh who people are crying about losing, I think we should address the foward depth first but I'm not complaining if we add a massive RH shot also.

Im not sad about Raddysh leaving. Im of the opinion of spending the most money on the top line and filling out the last defense spot with a value add/trade. I like the idea of Trouba + Larkin/Tuch. That would have to come with moving out a contract though.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Spending $10M on Carlson this year alone is a nightmare. Leaves us no money to improve the top line. All to bring in a 36 year old, offensive defenseman with limited defensive ability left in the tank.

of the available options, if the goal is to use the cap space, Carlson is a good option in the short term. if the goal is to hoard the capspace for the season after, then yeah i can see your point.

 

[OGPete]

I dont mind Carlson at a cheap price, but burning through most of our available cap for him is a nightmare scenario I would think.

Giving him $10M per, even on a two year deal, is a non-starter for me. He has to take a discount from that AAV and maybe that means JBB throws him a year or two extra of term to make up for it. I don't believe the Lightning's RHD situation is dire from subtracting Raddysh because I have more faith in Crozier than perhaps a lot of people and Moser (and to a lesser extent Lilleberg) can play off hand on the right side.

IMO, the rumor about JBB focusing on getting a center to give them two legit scoring line centers and push Cirelli down to being more of a 3C again was always the smart play and focusing dollars on that pursuit is what I'd prefer.

Bear in mind that JBB is usually decent at concealing what he's going to do in the trade market. It's hard to hide what you're going to do in free agency because agents are paid to blab (so the smoke around Carlson probably has some validity to it because Carlson's agent is probably giving oxygen to the idea of him going to the Lightning). Same thing with the Guentzel sign and trade when it happened. But none of us had even the slightest inkling of the Sergachev/Moser trade before it happened. I suspect while we're all focusing on the Carlson rumor, there's a serious trade being worked on that is equally or even more important.

As for Darren Raddysh, I'm happy he got his bag and presuming he has good financial guidance he and his family just became generationally wealthy. Not rich... wealthy. That extra $20M or so after taxes that he beat out of the Leafs that he couldn't get from us will grow to be about $80M in his 60's if he doesn't touch his principle and has it in something that gets him a 6% annual return. Like I told you all from the beginning, there's no way in hell he was ever turning that down. You all wouldn't either, and if I were your agent I'd consider it my fiduciary responsibility to smack the ish out of you if you tried to.

I look at that contract and I still can't fathom the value proposition that would justify giving that player a guaranteed contract worth $68.5 million dollars, but I'm not mad at him. If they're dumb enough to give it to you be smart enough to take it and invest it wisely. My only advice would be that he get very strict about avoiding reading/listening to what's said about him in the media, because I think the odds are 50/50 or better the Leafs fans and press will turn on him (quickly) because the skill set doesn't match that contract, IMO.

 

[JTBF81]

This is bad. A division rival just solved their biggest problem at our expense.

Or they vastly overpaid for a 30/31 year old who, outside of one season, didn't play at a level that indicated a contract worth even half of this number.

 

[JTBF81]

Im not sad about Raddysh leaving. Im of the opinion of spending the most money on the top line and filling out the last defense spot with a value add/trade. I like the idea of Trouba + Larkin/Tuch. That would have to come with moving out a contract though.

Yeah, Trouba+either Tuch/Larkin could be achieved by moving Paul or maybe Goncalves.

 

[DFC]

Or they vastly overpaid for a 30/31 year old who, outside of one season, didn't play at a level that indicated a contract worth even half of this number.

Yes, but in that one season he actually played at a level that exceeded it by a good deal.

 

[Sky04]

I can't wait to see the OEL-Raddysh, Rielly-Raddysh pairings go head to head against the leagues best. Losing Kucherov's passes is one thing, losing Mosers ice coverage will be fun to watch. Remember the Sergachev-Raddysh pairing in 2023?

 

[OGPete]

I can't wait to see the OEL-Raddysh, Rielly-Raddysh pairings go head to head against the leagues best. Losing Kucherov's passes is one thing, losing Mosers ice coverage will be fun to watch. Remember the Sergachev-Raddysh pairing in 2023?

LOL, an OEL/Raddysh pairing?