Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CHI] Brandon Hagel, 2022, 2024 4ths for Boris Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023, 2024 1sts (Top 10 protected)

[Volica]

The cap hit's key. It's not just the player they acquired, it's the cost for said player that's the bonus.

Yup.
That's why this cost so much. Getting a top 6 guy for near league minimum on a cash strapped team.

 

[Aoko]

Well…that ends any chances of Copp to TBL

Does it? I think Tampa still has a couple firsts they'd like to toss out the window while they're at it.

I think someone else will target Copp though.

 

[Gillings]

Tough to lose Hagel, but at least for once the Hawks actually get a haul during this re-build/re-tool or whatever you want to call it.

Hopefully 3/4 pieces work out for them, that'd be great.

Sad.

If the rumored packages being thrown around in here are accurate, I'm glad my team didn't do it.

Trading that much for a 15 goal, 40 point guy having a career season would make me super uncomfortable. Tampa Bay can do it because they're firmly in the middle of their contending window, considering the age of their core. They won't give a crap if they're trading too many futures because their window is right now, considering the age of their team.

Imagine montreal got this haul for Lehkonen.. who in my eyes is the better player..

Wow.. As a habs fan.. im excited to see us get 3 firsts for lehkonen lol

 

[Nemesis Prime]

lmao chicago taking advantage of a hungover tampa office.

what the hell.

 

[Icebreakers]

This has to be one of the ugliest trades ive ever seen.. Im 33 so I didn't see some of the older ones..

But holy shit.. 2 conditional first and 2 more NHL players for 1 dude..

Ugly ugly ugly

Hagel moves the needle? Not in my eyes. Yeah sure.. hes depth.. but does he turn into a 70 point player? 80 point player?

There was 8 more players around the league better than hagel on the block.

Disagree

One could argue that there isnt another player in the league as valuable as Hagel is to the lightning. They get him for 3 playoff runs at 1.5m and hes 23 pacing for 30 goals/55 points

Theres no other team that would have offered this deal.

Hes not done developing and he will replace Palat long term. This isnt a rental, this is a core piece.

They didnt lose a significant roster player or a significant prospect. Imagine using the picks on drafting Hagel. His contract might as well be a ELC.

 

[Northernhawk]

You can't deny though that this trade seems like a massive overpayment.

I’ll say! Davidson got more for Hagel then Bowman got for Artmei Panarin!

 

[Gillings]

Disagree

One could argue that there isnt another player in the league as valuable as Hagel is to the lightning. They get him for 3 playoff runs at 1.5m and hes 23 pacing for 30 goals/55 points

Theres no other team that would have offered this deal.

Hes not done developing and he will replace Palat long term. This isnt a rental, this is a core piece.

They didnt lose a significant roster player or a significant prospect. Imagine using the picks on drafting Hagel. His contract might as well be a ELC.

I don't think he's a rental.. I just can't believe they trade 4 NHL players for a guy who is trending to be a GOOD top-9 player. Isn't tampa set on the top-6 wings? I don't think Highly of Kathcouk when it comes to top -6.. but 2 firsts and Raddysh? Chrycrun is trending to get that much and he's alot better than Hagel. I hope I eat crow for Tampa..

 

[BatVader]

Does it? I think Tampa still has a couple firsts they'd like to toss out the window while they're at it.

I think someone else will target Copp though.

It it’s the player added to the pick that I’m interested in… T.Raddysh was one of the ones I was targeting

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I see so many posts saying "It seems like people forget where those 1st round picks will end up being" as if to say at worst the 32nd pick in any given draft is shit lol.

Has anyone given any thought to the chance that TOR and BOS could catch TB in the standings and they could face FLA or CAR R1? or that no matter what they'll have to play either those 2 teams or BOS or TOR? Sure you still love the lighting's chances against just about anyone, but this is the NHL. Anything can happen. Those picks could be early 20's very easily. There is absolutely no guarantee TB will go back to the finals this year or next. In fact that is just not likely at all.

Not to mention, what happens if/when Radysh and/or Katchouck get given a similar opportunity to thrive in CHI as Hagel was given? Is is completely out of the realm of possibility that maybe they succeed in an increased role? Was it possible that they may have potentially been boxed out a bit in TB?

For the record, I have no problem with TB making this deal. They are in win now mode, and they got the best player in the deal and the team is instantly better. But I'll never be convinced this was not a massive overpayment. Sorry

edit: just saw the 2x 1st's are subsequent to this year. So even more variable potentially. At the end of the day it's all about the cups and TB has B2B, so who are we to argue the process. But I think they won't get away with this deal as well as they did the last couple (goodrow/coleman/savrard). just my suspicion

That is a lot of ifs and best case scenario over a sure fire upgrade who is the same age and cost controlled for the next 5 years.

 

[Icebreakers]

I don't think he's a rental.. I just can't believe they trade 4 NHL players for a guy who is trending to be a GOOD top-9 player. Isn't tampa set on the top-6 wings?

Hagel will replace Palat on the top 6 after this season. Its not just about the player, its about the contract and the fit. Tampa would rather have Hagel cost controlled at 1.5 m for 3 playoff runs at age 23,24,25 than worry about a first round pick in 2024 when they have Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov all above the age of 28.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Dang.....could have used those firsts as part of a package to get Lindholm (50% retain) and Rakell (50% retain).

 

[Zwui21]

You can't deny though that this trade seems like a massive overpayment.

It really isn't if you simply look at the actual trade and don't get blinded by the "2 1st round picks to Chicago".
Tampa downgrades picks from late 1st round to early 4th round and gives 2 players that currently were fringe NHL players on Tampa roster for a 23 y/o with more than 0.5 ppg in his NHL career and already a 20 goal season... at a 1.5M AAV contract for the nest 3 playoff runs.
But wait there's more: after the 1.5M AAV contract is up, he's RFA without arbitration rights.

This contract will also open up TB cap strapped situation a bit.

BriseBois, once again, GM of the year.

 

[Aoko]

This has to be one of the ugliest trades ive ever seen.. Im 33 so I didn't see some of the older ones..

But holy shit.. 2 conditional first and 2 more NHL players for 1 dude..

Ugly ugly ugly

Hagel moves the needle? Not in my eyes. Yeah sure.. hes depth.. but does he turn into a 70 point player? 80 point player?

There was 8 more players around the league better than hagel on the block.

This is why it's not ugly. Stop overvaluing the unknown.

Also, Hagel does NOT need to be a 70-80 point player for this trade to be worth it, holy shit what a reach.

 

[Gillings]

Hagel will replace Palat on the top 6 after this season. Its not just about the player, its about the contract and the fit. Tampa would rather have Hagel cost controlled at 1.5 m for 3 playoff runs at age 23,24,25 than worry about a first round pick in 2024 when they have Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov all above the age of 28.

Fine details.. I can't believe Chicago got 2 first for him.. I guess.. like florida... They paid big for the man they wanted.

 

[BatVader]

Dang.....could have used those firsts as part of a package to get Lindholm (50% retain) and Rakell (50% retain).

But the next contract would be massive on both those players, where as Hagel is 1.5m for 2 more seasons and for a team like TBL, that’s huge

 

[Icebreakers]

Fine details.. I can't believe Chicago got 2 first for him.. I guess.. like florida... They paid big for the man they wanted.

Yup. Its a win-win trade. Both teams got what they wanted.

 

[Gillings]

This is why it's not ugly. Stop overvaluing the unknown.

Also, Hagel does NOT need to be a 70-80 point player for this trade to be worth it, holy shit what a reach.

Im not overvaluing the unknown...

Go look at the last 4 drafts.. in the first round.. almost every player is in the NHL ( 2017/18/19/20 )

 

[Aoko]

Im not overvaluing the unknown...

Go look at the last 4 drafts.. in the first round.. almost every player is in the NHL ( 2017/18/19/20 )

Go look at how many former first round picks Tampa has on their team, even though they've won back to back Stanley Cups...

 

[CraigBillington]

I expected more.

 

[Danrs112]

This is why it's not ugly. Stop overvaluing the unknown.

Also, Hagel does NOT need to be a 70-80 point player for this trade to be worth it, holy shit what a reach.

Stamkos and Hedman were selected 1/2. So of those 3 only Vasy(19th) was selected anywhere near where those traded picks will end up being and still likely lower.

 

[Aoko]

Stamkos and Hedman were selected 1/2. So of those 3 only Vasy(19th) was selected anywhere near where those traded picks will end up being and still likely lower.

They also drafted Drouin third overall. Wonder how that worked out.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I don't think he's a rental.. I just can't believe they trade 4 NHL players for a guy who is trending to be a GOOD top-9 player. Isn't tampa set on the top-6 wings? I don't think Highly of Kathcouk when it comes to top -6.. but 2 firsts and Raddysh? Chrycrun is trending to get that much and he's alot better than Hagel. I hope I eat crow for Tampa..

How are 2 first round picks NHL players? Hell, Raddysh and Katchouk barely are NHL players right now. They have a great chance to be more in Chicago, but lets not pretend that the first rounders are sure fire NHL'ers.

Lets look at the 2019 1st Round draft.

Top Games Played:

#1 pick: Jack Hughes (158 GP)
#2 pick: Kappa Kakko (151 GP)
#3 pick: Kirby Dach (140 GP)
#7 pick: Dylan Cozens (99 GP)
#22 pick: Tobias Bjornfot (97 GP)
#9 pick: Trevor Zegras (80 GP)
#6 pick: Moritz Seider (60 GP)

The rest have all played less than a season 60 games, some still haven't played a game. This is 2 years later.

2018 1st Round.

12 players have played over 100 games in 3 years. Out of 31 picks...

So don't go full HF and think every first rounder is a sure fire NHL'er.

 

[Zwui21]

Fine details.. I can't believe Chicago got 2 first for him.. I guess.. like florida... They paid big for the man they wanted.

Chicago got 2 late 1st round picks --> odds of a late 1st round pick to become an NHL player: 20%
Tampa got 2 early 4th round picks --> odds of an early 4th round pick to become an NHL player: 12%

 

[These Are The Days]

You can't deny though that this trade seems like a massive overpayment.

The Lightning have proven repeatedly now that they categorically do not care how much they overpay if they're getting the guy they want. Lightning fans will say "we overpaid" dancing out the door

 

[DistantThunderRep]

They also drafted Drouin third overall. Wonder how that worked out.

Don't forget Koekkoek at 10 and Connolly at 6.