Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CHI] Brandon Hagel, 2022, 2024 4ths for Boris Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023, 2024 1sts (Top 10 protected)

[JohnHodgson]

Two roster players and two picks doesn't start the convo lmao

Two useful roster players.

Katchouk and Raddysh are basically salary dumps at this point in time.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

One 1st should have got it done.

And what else?

 

[Oilslick941611]

This is right in line with BriseBois' strategy of acquiring hard-working players with low cap hit and still term left on their contracts (Coleman, Goodrow) but they're paying quite the price to do so. Has worked out pretty well so far though.

its like bailing a boat with a bucket with holes in it, yeah you can tread for a bit, but it'll catch up, but its the price you play to be a contender. Tampa is going #3. what happens in 5 years isn't really being thought of right now.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

This was one helluva haul for Chicago; but man, 1.5M for three years; Tampa just keeps chugging along. They'll lose more players this offseason but these types of moves are wise. Tampa has a window open for at least 3-5 more seasons.

The cap hit's key. It's not just the player they acquired, it's the cost for said player that's the bonus.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

Eichel. Not even close.

Difference is HAGS is on a great contract for two years at 1.5 million and the lightning are going for two more cups so you are picking last again or near the bottom. JBB doesn't play around and is going all in with this core of Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Hedman, McD, Sergachev, Cernak, and Vasy. Realistically we probably lose Palat or trade Kilhorn for cap reasons unless Palat takes a massive discount. WE got a 23 year old that is producing on a terrible team on a great contract.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I bet Hagel breaks out to a PPG player in Tampa. Good price for a 20 goal scorer. Why would the Hawks trade him so soon?

 

[Aoko]

Exactly.

Not to sound pretentious, but fans of teams that haven't won a cup in a while have a very different mindset than fans of teams that have won a cup or more in a short period. Suddenly it's not about climbing the mountain, it's about planting a flag and claiming that mountain for yourself. It's about setting a historical standard for an era. If you have a chance to distance yourself as the pre-imminent hockey power for the cap era in the history books, you are happy to pay a premium to increase your odds to do so.

And to singlehandedly set the market for other teams - your competition. Suddenly, other players prices have gone up thanks to the standard that has now been set. Not that it will have a very big impact, since Hagel is not a rental, but you know what I mean. Tampa made a big offer ahead of the deadline and were able to acquire the guy they wanted that wasn't even publicly available without a good payment.

Then again, you could say this trade was made in response to Florida's acquisition. All pressure is now firmly placed on the other Eastern contender teams, and prices will probably have gone up now. This is 4D chess by JBB.

 

[Crease]

Sellers market for low AAVs. Buyers market for high AAVs.

 

[Aoko]

The Hawks got 2 1sts for some nobody. That's pretty impressive.

I know the Sharks are irrelevant, but at least try to act like you know what you're talking about.

 

[WinterLion]

Sellers market for low AAVs. Buyers market for high AAVs.

Isn't it always...

 

[Zwui21]

That's a massive downgrade. Best case scenario you downgrade 65+ spots, Hagel is a good player but this is quite easily an over payment, and a massive over payment at that. If they win the cup I'm sure Bolts fans won't care about it, they might not even care right now considering they won 2 in a row, but looking at this trade objectively it is 100% a huge over payment. One 1st should have got it done.

Late 1st rounders have around 20% odds of becoming NHL players. Early 4rth rounders have like 12% odds of becoming NHL players.
Maybe you are putting too much value in late 1st rounders and the difference between late 1st and early 4th.

And this is not just about the picks. Hagel is
1) 23 years old on an ascending trajectory
2) On a 1.5M AAV contract for the next 3 playoff runs
3) RFA without arbitration rights when his current deal is over

The fact that I have to insist in pointing all this out blows my mind.
His contract is INSANE value, especially for a cap strapped team like Tampa.

 

[Kevin Musto]

It's a great trade for both teams. Chicago and Tampa are on polar opposite timelines right now. Not sure why that's hard for some to understand.

Tampa is going for another Cup so they go "all in". Which honestly, for them they're not really taking that big of a hit with what they gave up. They get a really great player that's locked up on an excellent contract.

Chicago gets much needed assets for their rebuild.

Win-win.

 

[Clark4Ever]

It's tough to be critical of Tampa Bay given their recent success, but that's a very steep price to pay for Hagel under the circumstances.

 

[Crease]

Isn't it always...

Exceptionally so with the flat cap for the next couple seasons.

 

[WinterLion]

I know the Sharks are irrelevant, but at least try to act like you know what you're talking about.

Now now.... no need to get personal...

Tampa has had lots of success in the past and they are trying to keep the flame alive... so cap space is especially valuable for them... you definitely need these types to win in the playoffs...

 

[llamateizer]

8th in NHL scoring, plays C/W, plays in all situations, fast, big, physical.

He's good. Really good.
But can't compare Hagel's value to miller's

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

It's tough to be critical of Tampa Bay given their recent success, but that's a very steep price to pay for Hagel under the circumstances.

How many 20 goal scorers at 23years old do you get for 1.5 million for three playoff runs and RFA after that? The difference between TAMPA and Toronto is our GMS don't give ridiculous contracts to chokers . JBB/Yzerman give out smart contracts and make smart trades that are for the current and future.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Tampa really going for it. The long term in this trade has the potential to be really painful.

 

[BatVader]

Well…that ends any chances of Copp to TBL

 

[Twine Tickler]

I see so many posts saying "It seems like people forget where those 1st round picks will end up being" as if to say at worst the 32nd pick in any given draft is shit lol.

Has anyone given any thought to the chance that TOR and BOS could catch TB in the standings and they could face FLA or CAR R1? or that no matter what they'll have to play either those 2 teams or BOS or TOR? Sure you still love the lighting's chances against just about anyone, but this is the NHL. Anything can happen. Those picks could be early 20's very easily. There is absolutely no guarantee TB will go back to the finals this year or next. In fact that is just not likely at all.

Not to mention, what happens if/when Radysh and/or Katchouck get given a similar opportunity to thrive in CHI as Hagel was given? Is is completely out of the realm of possibility that maybe they succeed in an increased role? Was it possible that they may have potentially been boxed out a bit in TB?

For the record, I have no problem with TB making this deal. They are in win now mode, and they got the best player in the deal and the team is instantly better. But I'll never be convinced this was not a massive overpayment. Sorry

edit: just saw the 2x 1st's are subsequent to this year. So even more variable potentially. At the end of the day it's all about the cups and TB has B2B, so who are we to argue the process. But I think they won't get away with this deal as well as they did the last couple (goodrow/coleman/savrard). just my suspicion

 

[Maplebeasts]

How many 20 goal scorers at 23years old do you get for 1.5 million for three playoff runs and RFA after that? The difference between TAMPA and Toronto is our GMS don't give ridiculous contracts to chokers . JBB/Yzerman give out smart contracts and make smart trades that are for the current and future.

You can't deny though that this trade seems like a massive overpayment.

 

[domiwroze]

Holy baby jesus what a f***ing haul.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Tough to lose Hagel, but at least for once the Hawks actually get a haul during this re-build/re-tool or whatever you want to call it.

Hopefully 3/4 pieces work out for them, that'd be great.

 

[Gillings]

This has to be one of the ugliest trades ive ever seen.. Im 33 so I didn't see some of the older ones..

But for the love of everything holy.. 2 conditional first and 2 more NHL players for 1 dude..

Ugly ugly ugly

Hagel moves the needle? Not in my eyes. Yeah sure.. hes depth.. but does he turn into a 70 point player? 80 point player? ( that's what tampa is betting on here? )

There was 8 more players around the league better than hagel, for tampa, on the block.

 

[Lolonegoal]

Not gonna lie, I had to google this guy