Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CAR] Jake Guentzel for 2025 3rd round pick

[Aoko]

Great move TBay. Guentzel @ 29 > Stamkos at 35.

Stammer is 35 in February, next year. But yeah, this shouldn't be about age.

It's about legacy. This would be like Detroit not resigning 34 year old Datsyuk, and trying to replace him with 29 year old Ilya Kovalchuk.

 

[BallardEra]

Not me.

He played amazing for Carolina and wanted his payday. Rumor has it they offered something in the 7s.

Exactly.

Hockey is a business. Loyalty is a thing of the past.

 

[Zwui21]

A 3rd round pick is a high price to pay. Would be a big add for Tampa but it’s still a big downgrade losing sergacheve and stamkos.

Sergachev and Stamkos OR Guentzel (hopefully he signs lol), McDonagh, JJ Moser and Geekie?
I'll take the latter 10 times out of 10

 

[Aoko]

Sergachev and Stamkos OR Guentzel (hopefully he signs lol), McDonagh, JJ Moser and Geekie?
I'll take the latter 10 times out of 10

McDonagh, JJ Moser, and Geekie > Sergachev.
Stamkos >>>>>>>>>>>> Guentzel.

Stammer may not be 10 times the player Guentzel is, but his legacy to this organization ALWAYS f***ing will be.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Do you think people in Florida just don't have to pay any taxes at all?

We don't.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Lol, thanks for letting us all know that you have zero understanding of how taxes work

It's just over $500,000 tax savings on an $8M contract in FLA vs NY now that I dug into it further. This number is based off of $4M (41 home games) and not the full $8M. Not exactly chump change even for pro athletes

 

[Pengu]

Considering how cheap Carolina is I wasn't the least surprised they couldn't sign him

 

[KrisLetAngry]

It's just over $500,000 tax savings on an $8M contract in FLA vs NY now that I dug into it further. This number is based off of $4M (41 home games) and not the full $8M. Not exactly chump change even for pro athletes

Now consider heavy bonus money from Tampa. So that makes 7 million count as Florida taxes.

 

[Turin]

Not me.

He played amazing for Carolina and wanted his payday. Rumor has it they offered something in the 7s.

He can have his payday, he deserves it, but I just don’t buy the stuff coming out of his camp after the trade and now with the way the negotiation here went it’s fishy.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Kinda lost respect for Guentzel last couple months as a Pens fan

No way, he's been underpaid his whole career and deserves a big contract now. He's in his prime and as good as ever. Carolina shouldn't have low balled him and just met his 8x8 ask from weeks ago.

 

[StickShift]

Wonder if Tampa trying to convince Guentzel to sign for less because a 7-something in Tampa is equal to an 8-something in Carolina.

When they ought to be going big and offering the 9-something (with favorable tax) that teams like Vancouver will be offering tomorrow.

Also wonder how it reflects on Guentzel when he sees the team that is courting him so easily move off of their own star players (Stamkos, Sergachev, McDonough previously) when their contracts are perceived to be an awkward fit. How can he be sure Tampa won’t do that to him in 3-4-5 years time?

 

[Rschmitz]

Now consider heavy bonus money from Tampa. So that makes 7 million count as Florida taxes.

Good call, this is how Stamkos's deal was structured to max tax savings.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Now consider heavy bonus money from Tampa. So that makes 7 million count as Florida taxes.

Absolutely.

Without knowing the exact structure of the yet to be signed contract I didn't want to speculate it but yeah. The savings grow larger with that.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

It's just over $500,000 tax savings on an $8M contract in FLA vs NY now that I dug into it further. This number is based off of $4M (41 home games) and not the full $8M. Not exactly chump change even for pro athletes

show your work

 

[BusQuets]

If it's true that his ask was 8x8 weeks ago and they tried to negotiate him down, then Carolina really dropped the ball.

If true then it was probably Aho's agent who screamed to accept the Habs' offer sheet.. "Please i can't negotiate with them a second more".

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

show your work

there's 300 income tax calculators available on the internet, do it yourself.

 

[Picklepete]

I just assumed that's the only reason people live in that cesspool.

Clueless...

 

[Master P]

I just assumed that's the only reason people live in that cesspool.

You seem bitter.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

there's 300 income tax calculators available on the internet, do it yourself.

You want to make bold claims about taxation but then get snappy about how you came by your numbers? You said you dug into it, share your hard work so you can get some credit!

 

[Turin]

No way, he's been underpaid his whole career and deserves a big contract now. He's in his prime and as good as ever. Carolina shouldn't have low balled him and just met his 8x8 ask from weeks ago.

That’s just called negotiating. I agree he deserves a big contract, but I don’t like the way his agent has operated this year.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807487141829833060

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807487878253125915

Carolina beat reporter.

 

[DFC]

Feels like we tampered the fxxx out of this one.

 

[EXTRAS]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807487141829833060

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807487878253125915

Carolina beat reporter.

I thought he was looking for 9.25m x 7 years?

Maybe guentzel was asking for 8x8 and then saw verhaege would probably be getting 8.5m aav and thought "I'm slightly better, I should get more than him" and changed his ask to 9.25m aav?

 

[Unsustainable]

Feels like we tampered the fxxx out of this one.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807488829575901528

sure does seem that way, they paid us a 3rd not to follow up on it.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Well that changes things. If he asked for 8x8 on Wednesday and Carolina offered it on Thursday, i wonder what went wrong in the days following? If he didn't want to be in Carolina he wouldn't have even negotiated.