Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CAR] Jake Guentzel for 2025 3rd round pick

[iam76]

This is prolly a done deal..

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I just assumed that's the only reason people live in that cesspool.

Haha, that's sort of a tax in it's own way, eh?

 

[Lempo]

Is this correct?
Can you still sign him for 8 years? I’m pretty sure once he becomes a ufa that’s gone right?

No, this isn't correct. Only the team that had him at the latest TDL can sign him for 8 years. So Tampa Bay can't, not today, not tomorrow.

But if someone now filed an 8 year SPC signed by JG and the Carolina Hurricanes to the NHL Central Registry and told them, yeah, it was signed before the trade...

 

[sxvnert]

Great move TBay. Guentzel @ 29 > Stamkos at 35.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Tampa been consistently aggressive in their approach to win. I think most can at least applaud that even tho not everyone agrees with how they've done that and I understand that.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

We really don’t. *Sound of Freedom*

 

[mrdomino]

9.25 per season, no taxes? Sounds about right and good for him.

They get paid where they play, so only half the games have no income tax deducted.

Tampa been consistently aggressive in their approach to win. I think most can at least applaud that even tho not everyone agrees with how they've done that and I understand that.

After a few cups, I think Stamkos deserved to get the bag for the tail end of his career in Tampa and I think it's kind of sad he's probably leaving.

 

[TheBeard]

They get paid where they play, so only half the games have no income tax deducted.


After a few cups, I think Stamkos deserved to get the bag for the tail end of his career in Tampa and I think it's kind of sad he's probably leaving.

Plus 2.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Is Skjei definitely gone? Feels like he’d be worth keeping at this point

LeBrun rumblings: Latest on Guentzel, Stamkos, Kane and Marchessault ahead of the NHL Draft

Also the latest on the Golden Knights and Jonathan Marchessault, and the Detroit Red Wings and Patrick Kane.

www.nytimes.com

Last update was that they were going to try again, but that he was probably leaving.

His handedness is awkward long-term. Slavin is a LHD. Nikishin, one of the best prospects in the world, is a LHD. Someone would have to play their offside full time.

Roy would be really interesting as a RHD of the right style. Absent that, maybe revert to their long-term average allocation at the position; ~$6 mil is plenty for a bottom pairing and a spare.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Be hilarious if Guentzel doesn’t sign there and Tanev doesn’t sign in TO. Gonna be some salty fans on here tomorrow.

Oh don’t you worry. Those fans will just pivot and say they’re glad they didn’t sign those terrible overpaid contracts.

 

[notbias]

Be hilarious if Guentzel doesn’t sign there and Tanev doesn’t sign in TO. Gonna be some salty fans on here tomorrow.

I am hoping Tanev doesn't sign in TO as a Leafs fan... at least not at the AAV and term I expect him to get.

I think a lot of Leafs fans are the same.

I think a 3rd for Guentzel if he doesn't sign is a steep price though.

 

[Turin]

Kinda lost respect for Guentzel last couple months as a Pens fan

 

[Crunchrulz]

Not even with tampas clear tax advantages.
That trading

Sergachev
Stamkos
Jeannot

For
Moser
Guentzel
Geekie makes them that much better this year.

Future. Sure. But then Hedman/mcdonagh age out

For Tampa, the future is the next two seasons. After that, whatever happens happens.

 

[Crunchrulz]

and yet they’re letting a great player who they moved significant assets for walk because they don’t want to pay him what he deserves

So yeah, cheap

A great player who is 34 years old, was -21 at even strength, and did not play well until the Lightning made it clear they would not negotiate until after the season ended and he and his agent realized he was playing for what may very well be the final contract of his career as a UFA.

 

[Bubbles]

Considering Florida just to back to back Stanley cup finals that’s a pretty good goal..

This isn’t Pittsburgh..

Kucherov - 31
Vasilevskiy - 29
Guentzel - 29
Point - 28
Cirelli - 26
Hagel - 25..

Add Geekie, Isaac Howard

I'm not saying they're not going to be competitive. Very much so. But their SC window is over. Reminds me of those periods where Chicago and LA dominated, and then slowed down.

 

[Regal]

A great player who is 34 years old, was -21 at even strength, and did not play well until the Lightning made it clear they would not negotiate until after the season ended and he and his agent realized he was playing for what may very well be the final contract of his career as a UFA.

Pretty sure that post was about Guentzel and Carolina

I'm not saying they're not going to be competitive. Very much so. But their SC window is over. Reminds me of those periods where Chicago and LA dominated, and then slowed down.

I think if Vasi can be elite again there’s no reason they can’t win again with the right tweaks

 

[Crunchrulz]

JBB likes doing things that become trends...a 3rd is the highest anyone has paid for rights, I wonder if one day someone will trade a 1st for negotiating rights.

IMO, Tampa's window is closing. JBB seems desperate to be no. 1 in F

Pretty sure that post was about Guentzel and Carolina



I think if Vasi can be elite again there’s no reason they can’t win again with the right tweaks

My bad then.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I'm not saying they're not going to be competitive. Very much so. But their SC window is over. Reminds me of those periods where Chicago and LA dominated, and then slowed down.

Yeah I agree. As good as Kucherov, Hedman and Vasi are they just can’t beat the very top teams imo. Still a playoff team.

 

[HFpapi]

Disaster? We all knew it’s been coming for years, it’s not a disaster because you just figured it out now. They created a build that had an expiration date, they did it with intention because they know the value of cap space. The last build didn’t get it done and we’re going to reset. I’ll miss Pesce and Necas but the rest just wasn’t meant to be.

Wouldn’t it make sense to wait until a day or two after free agency actually starts before calling it a disaster anyways?

It would make sense to wait a day or two if not for the fact that the best FA available is the one you just gave away.

They have upwards of $28 mil to spend and they will. Other players are coming in. Tomorrow will be interesting.

And who are they bringing in exactly that's better than just resigning Pesce, Gunetzel, and Necas? Especially the first two.

 

[Regal]

LeBrun rumblings: Latest on Guentzel, Stamkos, Kane and Marchessault ahead of the NHL Draft

Also the latest on the Golden Knights and Jonathan Marchessault, and the Detroit Red Wings and Patrick Kane.

www.nytimes.com

Last update was that they were going to try again, but that he was probably leaving.

His handedness is awkward long-term. Slavin is a LHD. Nikishin, one of the best prospects in the world, is a LHD. Someone would have to play their offside full time.

Roy would be really interesting as a RHD of the right style. Absent that, maybe revert to their long-term average allocation at the position; ~$6 mil is plenty for a bottom pairing and a spare.

Forgot about Nikishin. Slavin and Skjei is a good 1-2 combo on the left side but I guess the contract could be a problem down the line if Nikishin takes that spot

It would make sense to wait a day or two if not for the fact that the best FA available is the one you just gave away.

And who are they bringing in exactly that's better than just resigning Pesce, Gunetzel, and Necas? Especially the first two.

I mean they still have Necas and if he’s traded he’ll get something in return. Pesce seemed on the decline this year. If they go after Roy that doesn’t really make them worse. Guentzel loss hurts but they were already a good team before him.

 

[vipera1960]

JBB likes doing things that become trends...a 3rd is the highest anyone has paid for rights, I wonder if one day someone will trade a 1st for negotiating rights.

IMO, Tampa's window is closing. JBB seems desperate to be no. 1 in Florida.

In 2007 Philadelphia paid a 1st for rights to Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

It would make sense to wait a day or two if not for the fact that the best FA available is the one you just gave away.

And who are they bringing in exactly that's better than just resigning Pesce, Gunetzel, and Necas? Especially the first two.

No guarantee that Necas gets moved. He can want out, but RFA is team control for a reason. His arbitration case hurts him more than it hurts Carolina.

Guentzel was a move to put the team over the top. They competed for the President's Trophy yearly before he arrived. Now that he's not locked in to the long-term core via an NMC, the door opens to sign or make a trade for a different star forward in the future. Maybe someone that actually improves a woeful playoff PP (he didn't).

Pesce hurts, but they might sign a Roy/Tanev or maybe they just see upside in Chatfield. I've grown to give their pro scouting decisions the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Bubbles]

Yeah I agree. As good as Kucherov, Hedman and Vasi are they just can’t beat the very top teams imo. Still a playoff team.

For me, there's a difference between SC contenders and playoff teams.

Whatever the mix of players works, and they have a 3-4 year window where they are legit contenders. Players get expensive, and the whole chemistry changes.

You may see TB make a run 3-4 years down the road.

 

[Schennanigans]

A 3rd round pick is a high price to pay. Would be a big add for Tampa but it’s still a big downgrade losing sergacheve and stamkos.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Kinda lost respect for Guentzel last couple months as a Pens fan

Not me.

He played amazing for Carolina and wanted his payday. Rumor has it they offered something in the 7s.