Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CAR] Jake Guentzel for 2025 3rd round pick

[Quinning]

So Tampa needs to go to $9M per year to match Carolina then.

Canucks likely willing to offer $10M

 

[Takeahnase]

Let me put my tinfoil hat on for a sec…

Maybe the Canes were pissed about Tampa potentially tampering and told them if they don’t get a third for his rights they would make a stink about it to the league.

This is plausible, if not probable.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Be hilarious if Guentzel doesn’t sign there and Tanev doesn’t sign in TO. Gonna be some salty fans on here tomorrow.

 

[canadianmagpie]

They had to do so to get a jump on the market. Nothing is to say Guentzel even signs there, this allows them to talk numbers.

The Pens did this years ago with Dan Hamhuis and he refused to sign with the team.

I'm just saying that a 7th is worth a punt on a guy's rights like Toronto did with Tanev. A 3rd is a pretty steep price to pay.

 

[bleuetbio]

This is the way to do things. Great add, no need to rent big on deadline

 

[jsol]

I'm just saying that a 7th is worth a punt on a guy's rights like Toronto did with Tanev. A 3rd is a pretty steep price to pay.

I think there was competition on this bid.

 

[HFpapi]

So the Canes are losing Guentzel, Necas, Pesce, TT, and Skjei so they can * checks notes * resign Seth Jarvis? What a disaster of an off season for a former cup contender.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'm just saying that a 7th is worth a punt on a guy's rights like Toronto did with Tanev. A 3rd is a pretty steep price to pay.

The Pens paid a 3rd back when Shero traded for Hamhuis's rights too.

Jake is worth the gamble to jump the market and find out.

 

[5cotland]

Imagine Carolina sign him to an 8 year deal tomorrow and have just robbed Tampa for a free 3rd round picnk

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

If this dude takes a penny less than $7x7 put the no tax teams in their own league and let them play each other.

Shit is getting absolutely ridiculous

 

[justliketampa]

Imagine Carolina sign him to an 8 year deal tomorrow and have just robbed Tampa for a free 3rd round picnk

Not possible now.

 

[Strangle]

Personally not a fan of this. Will only be a fan of this if Guentzel signs for $5M and gives a speech for how taxes are the greatest thing about Tampa.

We should all be advocating our state and provincial governments to get rid of income taxes

For our local hockey teams and for our families

 

[NoelVilla]

Don’t forget Martinook, Noesen, Skjei, Pesce and TDA!

Bit of a turning point….

But they still have Kotkaniemi though...

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

unless he signs an 8 year deal, a 3rd is a steep price for rights....

Can TBL sign him for 8?

nm asked and answered—NO

 

[bleedgreen]

So the Canes are losing Guentzel, Necas, Pesce, TT, and Skjei so they can * checks notes * resign Seth Jarvis? What a disaster of an off season for a former cup contender.

Disaster? We all knew it’s been coming for years, it’s not a disaster because you just figured it out now. They created a build that had an expiration date, they did it with intention because they know the value of cap space. The last build didn’t get it done and we’re going to reset. I’ll miss Pesce and Necas but the rest just wasn’t meant to be.

Wouldn’t it make sense to wait until a day or two after free agency actually starts before calling it a disaster anyways?

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

If this dude takes a penny less than $7x7 put the no tax teams in their own league and let them play each other.

Shit is getting absolutely ridiculous

He's not going to sign that cheap. But even 8x7 would be a sweetheart deal.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Not possible now.

Ah, July 1st it is very possible.

 

[T REX]

So the Canes are losing Guentzel, Necas, Pesce, TT, and Skjei so they can * checks notes * resign Seth Jarvis? What a disaster of an off season for a former cup contender.

Multiple Canes fans seem ok with it. This is their model as it was explained to me. They don't overpay. They are efficient. We have a riverboat gambler running the Bolts. Drives me crazy but it is a short drive to begin with

 

[Quinning]

If this dude takes a penny less than $7x7 put the no tax teams in their own league and let them play each other.

Shit is getting absolutely ridiculous

Even that would be ridiculous. He's easily worth more on the open market.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Even that would be ridiculous. He's easily worth more on the open market.

Agreed, my point is that $7M in Tampa is the same as $8.5M in NY or LA.

Let's wait and see but I can already promise you if he signs in Florida it'll be an egregious number

 

[Quinning]

Agreed, my point is that $7M in Tampa is the same as $8.5M in NY or LA.

Let's wait and see but I can already promise you if he signs in Florida it'll be an egregious number

I have no idea why this is permitted. I somewhat understand how tax laws work, but it seems to be as big of a loophole as Vegas playing the LTIR card.

If you pay CAD salaries in USD to address the exchange rate, why is there not one blanket tax rate for the league?

 

[Justicebork]

I have no idea why this is permitted. I somewhat understand how tax laws work, but it seems to be as big of a loophole as Vegas playing the LTIR card.

If you pay CAD salaries in USD to address the exchange rate, why is there not one blanket tax rate for the league?

How do you fix it? If you allow for tax related variability in AAV, do you then have to allow for COL variability as well? Cost of insurance? Other fixed costs beyond player or league control?

 

[Crow]

Agreed, my point is that $7M in Tampa is the same as $8.5M in NY or LA.

Let's wait and see but I can already promise you if he signs in Florida it'll be an egregious number

My gut feeling is that you are off by a factor of two or more with your math. Even a state tax of 10% would only be an 850,000 / 2 (half the game are away) of a difference in tax.

 

[More 2004]

Canucks likely willing to offer $10M

10 million is Canada is 3 million in Florida.. dont you read HFBOARDS?

 

[Legion34]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807450316675133498

Is this correct?
Can you still sign him for 8 years? I’m pretty sure once he becomes a ufa that’s gone right?

My gut feeling is that you are off by a factor of two or more with your math. Even a state tax of 10% would only be an 850,000 / 2 (half the game are away) of a difference in tax.

Depends on signing bonuses etc.