Confirmed with Link: Taylor Hall Acquired for Adam Larsson

[NJDevs26]

In before Shero gets hit with a tampering fine

 

[Devilsgrl35]

Listening to the Edmonton presser you know Shero robbed them when Chiareli admits he gave up the better player. The reviews for this deal from an Edmonton stand point are scathing. Listening to XM yesterday was classic. Larsson is not well respected throughout the league and with good reason. High five to Shero. Complete highway robbery. No need to be so humble on here boys. We flat out stole Hall.

I read some of his quotes yesterday. I think he said something to the effect of there are players who have a pedigree, the guy we gave up deservedly has that, the guy we traded for doesn't. My jaw hit the floor when I read that. I can't recall a GM in any league admitting immediately that he lost a deal by a huge margin value wise.

 

[CKPLAYA]

I hate that they are taking away how good Larrson really is.

On another side of it i did say that when the Oilers finally made a move the return was not going to be as great because every GM knew they had to make a deal involving a forward for a Dman and were going to try and take advantage of that. Shero did as i said.

You're right. Like he said in the presser. They made it well known at the start of the off season that they were looking for a dman. That only hurt their leverage as well as the longer they took. He completely worked himself into a corner.

 

[CKPLAYA]

I read some of his quotes yesterday. I think he said something to the effect of there are players who have a pedigree, the guy we gave up deservedly has that, the guy we traded for doesn't. My jaw hit the floor when I read that. I can't recall a GM in any league admitting immediately that he lost a deal by a huge margin value wise.

Admitted to a reporter at his press conference. Never heard anything like that before.

 

[McDrailers]

Admitted to a reporter at his press conference. Never heard anything like that before.

Yeah. It's borderline infuriating.

Goodluck with and to Taylor Hall. Great team guy and seemed to really be the only Oiler have gave a flying you know what. I think he excels in the east with the lack of "heavy hitters" (I fully expect Dion Phaneuf to light him up at least once).

With that being said, just to ease my mind. What would Devils fans be willing to add to the deal say if it we're to happen tomorrow? Larson + ? for Hall. That is, if you fully believe anything would have been added.

 

[MNDevilsfan]

I think Larsson's contract was important to getting this deal done.

Edmonton could've done the Subban deal, but in addition to giving up some significant assets, they'd be taking on a massive contract that would up against their need to sign guys like McDavid, Draistl, Nurse in 3-5 years. Shattenkirk was only on a one year deal and was not going to resign there.

Makes the contract Shero gave Larsson like a brilliant move. Had this never come along he's locked in at a solid term that accommodates plenty of growth. At the same time, it's probably the main thing that led to this trade happening.

As I said, dude is a pro.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

I think Larsson's contract was important to getting this deal done.

Edmonton could've done the Subban deal, but in addition to giving up some significant assets, they'd be taking on a massive contract that would up against their need to sign guys like McDavid, Draistl, Nurse in 3-5 years. Shattenkirk was only on a one year deal and was not going to resign there.

Makes the contract Shero gave Larsson like a brilliant move. Had this never come along he's locked in at a solid term that accommodates plenty of growth. At the same time, it's probably the main thing that led to this trade happening.

As I said, dude is a pro.

I agree. I don't think people realize, especially on the main board, how valuable extra cap space is. It allows you to do other things to complete your hockey team. If EDM signs Lucic (or somebody else) they basically got Larsson and Lucic for Hall since that extra space allows for the signing to happen. If they do Hall for P.K. they can't sign anybody else since they take 3 million onto their cap.

 

[MNDevilsfan]

If EDM signs Lucic (or somebody else) they basically got Larsson and Lucic for Hall since that extra space allows for the signing to happen.

Yup. And if you want to extend that you can say Larsson, Lucic, and Puljujaarvi for Hall since Chiarelli went on record saying that the latter dropping to them is what precipitated the trade.

It is definitely still quite a gamble on his part, it is any time you're giving up the best player in a trade, but from a team building perspective it isn't completely devoid of logic.

 

[McPuritania]

I read some of his quotes yesterday. I think he said something to the effect of there are players who have a pedigree, the guy we gave up deservedly has that, the guy we traded for doesn't. My jaw hit the floor when I read that. I can't recall a GM in any league admitting immediately that he lost a deal by a huge margin value wise.

After my rage yesterday, I've come to terms with the trade.

Hall is the better player, but with Larsson, Lucic, and another addition or two, our team makeup will be better than it was at the end of the season. Lot's of media guys speculating that we're looking to get Tyson Barrie, if so our defense is in pretty good shape.

 

[Bologna 1]

Friedman on radio this morning regarding the deal:

“And they just decided they needed that guy. And New Jersey held on. Held on. Finally, they threw Hall on the table. And even at the end, New Jersey played tough because Edmonton is gaining almost $2 million in cap space, and the Devils said, ‘We’re taking the extra cap space. We’re not adding anything else to this."

That's shrewd by Shero. Man is that playing it tough.

what station was he on? would like to see if I could find the interview clip.

 

[EnglishDevil]

Friedman on radio this morning regarding the deal:

“And they just decided they needed that guy. And New Jersey held on. Held on. Finally, they threw Hall on the table. And even at the end, New Jersey played tough because Edmonton is gaining almost $2 million in cap space, and the Devils said, ‘We’re taking the extra cap space. We’re not adding anything else to this."

That's shrewd by Shero. Man is that playing it tough.

Shero is an unbelievably good trader, he seems to know how to squeeze every last drop of value out of teams, likely because he's willing to take the patient approach and not make impulsive decisions. Edmonton needed this trade more than we did, that's why we got fantastic value.

I'm so happy we have Shero as our new GM, i can't think of anyone else i'd rather have. No disrespect to Lou or his accomplishments, but for the first time in years i'm confident and excited about the trajectory of this team. We're going to be young, fast and skilled. No more bandaid solutions to gaping wounds; no more washed up trash like Clowe, Brunner, Ruutu and Ghost Ryder.

We definitely stagnated for a few years, but we cleaned house and i couldn't be happier with the replacements. We've changed ownership, GM, coach and scouting staff and so far it seems as though the fresh faces have completely reinvigorated this organization, exciting times.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

After my rage yesterday, I've come to terms with the trade.

Hall is the better player, but with Larsson, Lucic, and another addition or two, our team makeup will be better than it was at the end of the season. Lot's of media guys speculating that we're looking to get Tyson Barrie, if so our defense is in pretty good shape.

I think you guys will be a better team going forward. Yes you gave up the better player but you are on your way to building a better and more complete team. You got a solid defenseman and you will be happy with him. We still have time to build this right and Hall is a hell of player to build around.

 

[Lou is God]

Friedman on radio this morning regarding the deal:

“And they just decided they needed that guy. And New Jersey held on. Held on. Finally, they threw Hall on the table. And even at the end, New Jersey played tough because Edmonton is gaining almost $2 million in cap space, and the Devils said, ‘We’re taking the extra cap space. We’re not adding anything else to this."

That's shrewd by Shero. Man is that playing it tough.

I bet the Oilers were trying to give us RNH for Larsson and Shero wouldn't bite, that's what I'm taking out of that comment.

 

[njdevil26]

Maybe it was RNH for Severson and Hall for Larsson

 

[Lou is God]

Maybe it was RNH for Severson and Hall for Larsson

I tend to think they wanted Larsson and were pushing for him, I mean if they gave up arguably their best forward for him, that has to suggest Larsson was their target from the get go.

RNH for Severson might have been Plan B.

 

[BahlDeep]

Am I the only one who thinks RNH is vastly overrated?

 

[njdevil26]

Am I the only one who thinks RNH is vastly overrated?

I don't think he's overrated... but if I had my choice, Draisatl is the best.

 

[devilsblood]

I hate that they are taking away how good Larrson really is.

On another side of it i did say that when the Oilers finally made a move the return was not going to be as great because every GM knew they had to make a deal involving a forward for a Dman and were going to try and take advantage of that. Shero did as i said.

But as noted other GM's said they could have offered more.

But I think this was the Oiler's rating Lar's more then most of the NHL community does, and yes that does factor in age and contract, but they wanted Lar's.

Prop's to Shero for demanding Hall, and also not adding. He knew Edm, wanted Larsson, he knew what Adam brought to the table, and he held fast. Well done.

 

[devilsblood]

I don't think he's overrated... but if I had my choice, Draisatl is the best.

Better then McDavid?

I don't think RNH is overrated because his star has fallen a bit. I think few consider him a franchise player.

 

[devilsblood]

I tend to think they wanted Larsson and were pushing for him, I mean if they gave up arguably their best forward for him, that has to suggest Larsson was their target from the get go.

RNH for Severson might have been Plan B.

I agree Edm wanted Larsson. But Hall is not their best fwd, it's kind of what made him expendalbe.

And maybe that was a Shero arguing point: Hey we are giving up our best d-man, while you are giving up your 3rd best fwd(for arguments).

 

[NJDevs26]

I agree Edm wanted Larsson. But Hall is not their best fwd, it's kind of what made him expendalbe.

And maybe that was a Shero arguing point: Hey we are giving up our best d-man, while you are giving up your 3rd best fwd(for arguments).

Well really second best d-man

 

[McPuritania]

I think you guys will be a better team going forward. Yes you gave up the better player but you are on your way to building a better and more complete team. You got a solid defenseman and you will be happy with him. We still have time to build this right and Hall is a hell of player to build around.

For sure. Hopefully we get to meet each other in the Finals sooner, rather than later!

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

I agree Edm wanted Larsson. But Hall is not their best fwd, it's kind of what made him expendalbe.

And maybe that was a Shero arguing point: Hey we are giving up our best d-man, while you are giving up your 3rd best fwd(for arguments).

That argument is so silly.

Its like trading your best D man for Malkin and saying you got the 2nd best forward from Pens. Who cares? you got Malkin, and his individual skill level is all that matters.

 

[devilsblood]

Well really second best d-man

Sure kind of done for simplicities sake, but Greene is in his 30's while McDavid, Draistl, Puj, are all younger then Hall. They also have Eberle and RNH.

They could afford to move Hall much more then we could afford to move Larsson. Have to believe that played into it being 1 for 1.

 

[Lou is God]

I agree Edm wanted Larsson. But Hall is not their best fwd, it's kind of what made him expendalbe.

And maybe that was a Shero arguing point: Hey we are giving up our best d-man, while you are giving up your 3rd best fwd(for arguments).

I did say "arguably" and I stand by that, still need to see McDavid do it for more than just one year, I remember RHN's rookie year he looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread, you just never know how they will progress.