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ponder

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IMO he’s been our 2nd best player so far, though it’s very arguable - Matthews the clear #1, then close between a bunch of other guys. But he’s been competing hard, playing pretty physical, scoring clutch goals, rarely making mistakes, great on faceoffs, I’ve been liking his game. Hope he performs in game 5, really need everyone at their best.

Also, that JT/Matthews/Marner line is crazy dominant, generates prime scoring chances at a ridiculous rate. Obviously it kind of cripples lines 2/3, but it’s a damn good weapon to have when we need goals.
 
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IMO he’s been our 2nd best player so far, though it’s very arguable - Matthews the clear #1, then close between a bunch of other guys. But he’s been competing hard, playing pretty physical, scoring clutch goals, rarely making mistakes, great on faceoffs, I’ve been liking his game. Hope he performs in game 5, really need everyone at their best.

Also, that JT/Matthews/Marner line is crazy dominant, generates prime scoring chances at a ridiculous rate. Obviously it kind of cripples lines 2/3, but it’s a damn good weapon to have when we need goals.

I think we still have enough talent to put together a good 2nd, 3rd & 4th line.

JT - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Nylander - Kapanen
Robertson - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Clifford - Engvall - Spezza

Something like that maybe?
 

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I think we still have enough talent to put together a good 2nd, 3rd & 4th line.

JT - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Nylander - Kapanen
Robertson - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Clifford - Engvall - Spezza

Something like that maybe?
Yeah, that's what we were mostly rolling last game when JT - Matthews - Marner were together. It's certainly decent, though a significant step down on the 2nd line, and slight step down on the 3rd, from:

Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Kerfoot - Kapanen

One advantage to the JT - Matthews - Marner line against the Jackets, though, is that while all of their lines are good defensively, they don't really have a prime shutdown 5-man unit, so loading up a single line works pretty well. Like I wouldn't try that against the Bruins, Marchand/Bergeron/Pasta/Chara/McAvoy would still get the better of them, but against a more balanced lineup like Columbus, I don't mind going with the one super line, and just trying to have the other lines roughly break even.
 

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JT is bringing the thunder on the ice this series. I still want to see more from his leadership, the club has looked way too lifeless for long stretches, but let's see what he can do now that they've got a taste of what they're capable of. He may not be the guy who can shake them out of a deep funk, but he can lead well enough if they get hot and ride a wave.
 

ponder

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I think we still have enough talent to put together a good 2nd, 3rd & 4th line.

JT - Matthews - Marner
Hyman - Nylander - Kapanen
Robertson - Kerfoot - Mikheyev
Clifford - Engvall - Spezza

Something like that maybe?
That looks..... Good

Not for the whole game but definitely a few times
According to NHL Starting Goalies, Line Combinations, and Fantasy Hockey Tools | leftwinglock.com, these were our even strength line combos last game:

TAVARES - MARNER - MATTHEWS => 17.9%
KAPANEN - HYMAN - NYLANDER => 15.5%
CLIFFORD - SPEZZA - ENGVALL => 15.1%

MATTHEWS - HYMAN - MARNER => 13.1%
ROBERTSON - KERFOOT - MIKHEYEV => 8.3%
ROBERTSON - NYLANDER - TAVARES => 7.9%
MIKHEYEV - KERFOOT - KAPANEN => 5.2%
ENGVALL - KERFOOT - MIKHEYEV => 2.8%
KAPANEN - NYLANDER - TAVARES => 2.4%
ROBERTSON - KERFOOT - MATTHEWS => 1.2%

So that quoted post was indeed what we just went with, for the majority of the game. Though of course there were plenty of other combos, as there always are. But it did look great during "crunch time", and decent throughout the game, in general (I do think we were playing decently throughout the game, and were a bit unlucky to be down 3-0).

At the very least, it's a good "comeback" lineup, where we play the shit out of that top line if we really need goal(s).
 

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“Big 3” line again tonight. After 1 period, it looks terrific again, but Tavares is really missed on the 2nd line, it was useless. Personally, I think it’s probably better to go back to 2 dangerous lines, swapping Tavares and Hyman. The top line is deadly, but the other 3 lines are generating very little offensively.
 

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McDavid raised everyone's salary demands. RFA and UFA contracts are not alike.[/QUO
The point is it set the bar with the Leafs internal salary structure and resulted in Nylander, Matthews and Marner getting overpaid.
 

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You just hope his game doesn't crater in the coming seasons, because he's hard to watch on a regular basis nowadays when he's off. And he's off a lot.
 
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To me he looked like TOR's best forward in game five. Unfortunately nothing he shot went in.

That said, he should have made a better shot on that chance where he hit the post.
It sucks that it was Tavares who hit the post like that because he's the captain and we all expect him to score on a chance like that. I'm also sure he was disappointed with himself that he did that.

Although I guess if Auston Matthews did the same thing we would have the same reaction.
 
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Tavares was fine during this series.
unfortunately, some islander fans still have not moved on and are still lurking around here, hoping he fails..pretty sad I must say
When Toronto lost Game 3 and Game 5, the Islanders fans were going onto the Leafs-Blue Jackets series thread posting how happy they were since he made the mistake the overtime game they lost. So I agree it was sad because I thought they were over him leaving and I guess that's not true.
 

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Isles fan here. I see a lot of people saying "he isn't flashy" or "he's a meat and potatoes player" and while I get the analogy I think it's misguided. He is incredibly hard to knock off the puck and can dictate play & dazzle in his own end but he's got one Achilles heel which he's always had- skating! He has always been slow and it hurts him in any kind of transition game. He is noticeably slower watching him on the Leafs now.

Tavares is a great team guy on and off the ice but he's a different kind of superstar, not one that should have the C on his chest. He's an extremely hard worker and while that sets a great example he is a really awkward communicator which doesn't lend itself to being a leader. I wish the best for him because he was great on LI!
 

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When Toronto lost Game 3 and Game 5, the Islanders fans were going onto the Leafs-Blue Jackets series thread posting how happy they were since he made the mistake the overtime game they lost. So I agree it was sad because I thought they were over him leaving and I guess that's not true.
Again, I love the guy but I can understand Isles fans being upset about the way he left. This goes to my point about him being a really awkward communicator. He botched the way he left in a way that was irreparable for some fans. To be fair, we have some complete morons that still yell in his face when he's in the penalty box. That is inexcusable and embarrassing for the rest of us! But some remaining bitterness about how he left? That is also fair and on his shoulders.
 

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He can be better and I think he will be. But if he doesn't get back to himself, that contract is scary bad.
 

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I think it would be better to start a new thread.

This one is so old that it's bound to be confusing.

I don't know that everyone will realize they're reading four-year-old posts, and there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then.
 

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I think it would be better to start a new thread.

This one is so old that it's bound to be confusing.

I don't know that everyone will realize they're reading four-year-old posts, and there's been a lot of water under the bridge since then.
I like reading old posts and overreactions sometimes. Here we are 5 years later and he is playing some of the best hockey of his life
 
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