Confirmed with Link: Tanner Pearson and 3rd (2025) Traded to Montreal for Casey DeSmith

[bsl]

There's no limit to accumulating draft picks as long as you're in a rebuild and have guys with no future with the team to trade, like DeSmith. You can always trade a '25 pick for a '26 pick if you're worried about having too many in any given draft year.



Hence why we're in a rebuild. If we weren't up against the cap and had a bunch of useful players with great value, we would probably be in position to contend.

Good post

The 3rd is a decent asset.
if Tanner wants to works hard & extend his career, he’s UFA, he could bring in another asset.

Petry deal is unreal.

 

[Ezpz]

Flawed. Armia takes up a depth spot and you think that is blocking a young guy from developing? Like the young guy is going to develop well playing 10 min a game in a 4th line role? It doesn't add up.

We are too desperate to trade guys like Armia. Are you prepared to trade a 2nd rounder or more in order to offload Armia? It is a flat cap bud. Pay attention.

I doubt Armia blocks Slaf, RHP, Newhook. Maybe he affects Ylonen but that will depend on how Ylonen plays in the coming preseason games.

Flat cap is over as of this upcoming summer, big assets for cap era is done. The truth is Armia takes up more than a fourth line spot, he ends up taking PK time and when injuries come he's usually the first guy to fill in the top 9. Every spot is valuable under MSL, we don't have a traditional fourth line. Armia played 15 minutes a game last year, which was more than Drouin, Dadonov, Evans, Gallagher, Ylonen, Pitlick, Slaf, and all the call ups from Laval. He was closer to top 6 than fourth line.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Flat cap is over as of this upcoming summer, big assets for cap era is done. The truth is Armia takes up more than a fourth line spot, he ends up taking PK time and when injuries come he's usually the first guy to fill in the top 9. Every spot is valuable under MSL, we don't have a traditional fourth line. Armia played 15 minutes a game last year, which was more than Drouin, Dadonov, Evans, Gallagher, Ylonen, Pitlick, Slaf, and all the call ups from Laval. He was closer to top 6 than fourth line.

Pay attention to how it unfolds this season. Last season was last season and 24/25 is after this season. I think Hughes, Gorton, MSL know how to manage the vets and youth's development.

If we could have moved him, we would have. Armia's time to be traded is probably like Hoffman... when term is less. Nobody is wanting to spend their cap this season unless they get incentive to do it. Reality.

Hughes will wait for the right circumstance... just like he did with Hoffman. I'm curious, Who do you think are the forwards sitting and watching games this season?

 

[Sterling Archer]

I wonder what Pearson and Monahan will bring at the TDL.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Again, why? The math is pretty clear. Even if we assume that HuGo won't waive Pearson or Armia (which is possible, but not an assumption anyone should make):

-Montreal is just over 6 mil over the cap with 28 players (roster +IR)

1) Add Primeau (29 Players, 7.068 mil over)
2) Send Reinbacher to Europe (28 Players, 6.118 mil over)
3) Send RHP, Barron, Harris, Xhekaj, Guhle down (23 players, 1.252 mil over)
4) Waive Wideman and Lindstrom (21 players, under the cap)
5) Season starts, Price goes on LTIR (20 players, WELL under the cap with LTIR Pool)
6) Put Dvorak on IR, call up RHP, Harris, Guhle and Barron/Xhekaj (23 players, under the cap)

The cap compliance roster list you are submitting has 14 F, 3D and 4G. I don't think that is legal. Your roster must include 18 skaters.

You can add the cheapest possible skaters like Wideman, Keeper and Beaudin to get to 18 and demote Slaf, but you are still $902k over. And will be at 13-6-4 You will need to waive a forward like Armia, Pearson or Evans to save $1,150,000 and get to the 18 skaters, then place Price on LTIR, and recall 2 guys from Laval (say Slaf and RHP up front) while putting Dvo on IR and recalling the four young defencemen who finished last year in Montreal while demoting Keeper and Beaudin and Wideman. We will then have one extra F, one extra D and one extra G in the pressbox each game.

If the Slaf bonuses concern anyone (he probably won't hit much of them anyway), you can keep Slaf and not include one of the AHL level Ds, because I think 13-5 to come to 18 skaters is legal too.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Patch quote from when he was developing and close to NHL: If I can't make top 6 in the NHL, I want to play top 6 in the AHL.

Just a note regarding those in the media who do revisionist history and fool posters like you:

When Pacioretty said that, he was stinking the joint out on the bottom six and about to get cut. To save his precious ego, he tried to make it sound like the demotion was his own idea.

 

[Miller Time]

No contradiction. Pitlick is also slight negative value. Since it's not my chequebook, the slight negative value is unimportant in both cases.

Lindstrom > Pitlick

OK. But if true, it means the benefit of Ylonen getting playing time may be lost, in favour of a guy who is UFA next summer as well.

Unlike in a video game, you can't just make a contract disappear.
There's an opportunity cost to every move, Ylonen having a tougher battle to earn a regular spot is a very reasonable "cost".
If he can't beat out Pearson at this stage, he's not exactly an asset that is hard to replace

Won't quarrel with you. Long shot no better than other picks who are not developing well. I am not one of those who thinks that because he plays in Quebec, he will suddenly be a star.

Does anyone believe that? No need for strawmen

It was possible to retain all of them, if one veteran cleared waivers and one of the three extra spots went to a goalie.

You again neglect the human and culture elements. This is not a video game.

No, not immediate roster-wise. We gave up the chance at a defenceman good in transition for two years that would help us win games, while giving more breathing room to develop Barron, Mailloux and Reinbacher. I get that tankers were not excited by that, and am wondering if Hughes is moving toward a tanking position.

Selective framing.
Petry kept meant his full cap hit for 2 years. 1 more injury or further decline and he's much harder & costlier to move.

Pearson > Hoffman is the roster upgrade I was referencing.

2,3,4 picks >> Petry

Different story if playoffs was the goal this year.
Here you seem to neglect context in your assessment.

I must add that all 7 Canadian teams do not make purposely uneven trades to move every guy who wished they played in the US instead of Canada.

I think you overstate this idea.
The moves made were all net positive asset-wise AND accomodated veteran players. That's called astute management.

We are no longer talking about severe COVID restrictions and the Petrys' child with special needs, when ironically Hughes was way more patient without it ruining the Habs reputation!

Moot point. Petry stated very publicly that he was ready to play in Montreal.

We should keep Primeau for at least one more year, even if that means running with three goalies on the 23 man roster (which we can easily afford post compliance deadline and Price going on LTIR). We don't even have to waive Allen if we are willing to waive Pearson, Armia or Evans.

I don't know that I agree or disagree... Primeau is an ok 24 year old goalie, not exactly a prime asset with a clear path to stardom, let alone ever being an NHL regular.

If they assess his play to be worth shielding him from waivers, great. If they consider that spot better used elsewhere, fine with me.

At 24-25, he needs to play. Being #3 to shield him from waivers means he's losing valuable development time, which might well undermine both his confidence and growth.

Again, these are human beings, not widgets. Can't treat it like a video game or fantasy roster.

 

[Michoulicious]

Do you guys think it's somehow still possible to get under the cap without using Price's "offseason LTIR", even with that added salary?

Or does this trade means Hughes gave up on that idea?

 

[HuGort]

1. Pearson cap hit is 3.25M.
2. We traded away a 1.8M cap hit so the difference is 1.45M not 3.5M.
3. This fixes the issue of having 3 NHL goalies without losing one for nothing.
4. There is a possibility of trading Pearson for a return.
5. We aren't competing this year, so cap space doesn't do much.

The only negative to this trade is putting a slight logjam in the forwards corps. Biggest effect might be on Ylonen.

Fixes the issue of three goalies, are you Marc Bergevin? You got no depth in net now. Everybody knows Allen is piece of glass. He's been injury 4 seasons straight. Primeau high chance be claimed. He's cheap goalie who once was top prospect.

Throwing away 1.45m in cap and your goalie depth for lousy third round pick which has 9% chance of making NHL. Ylonen I don't know about.

 

[red devil]

Do you guys think it's somehow still possible to get under the cap without using Price's "offseason LTIR", even with that added salary?

Or does this trade means Hughes gave up on that idea?

 

[Michoulicious]

Ok, cool! More trades incoming or just paper moves with the AHL required you think?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Lindstrom > Pitlick

Not a chance. And I don't even like Pitlick that much. but he is a better injury replacement than Lindstrom, by far. I'm ok with trading Pitlick and giving him a fresh start, just saying that Lindstrom has zero value.

I don't know that I agree or disagree... Primeau is an ok 24 year old goalie, not exactly a prime asset with a clear path to stardom, let alone ever being an NHL regular.

If they assess his play to be worth shielding him from waivers, great. If they consider that spot better used elsewhere, fine with me.

At 24-25, he needs to play. Being #3 to shield him from waivers means he's losing valuable development time, which might well undermine both his confidence and growth.

If we keep Primeau it is that he is playing at least as well as Allen. In that case, we can start with a pace to play Monty 40 games and Primeau and Allen 21 each, and see where that evolves.

 

[morhilane]

I wonder what Pearson and Monahan will bring at the TDL.

Nothing, both are going to be injured by then.

 

[CGG]

The cap compliance roster list you are submitting has 14 F, 3D and 4G. I don't think that is legal. Your roster must include 18 skaters.

You can add the cheapest possible skaters like Wideman, Keeper and Beaudin to get to 6, demote Slaf, but you are still $902k over. And will be at 13-6-4 You will need to waive a forward like Armia, Pearson or Evans to save $1,150,000 and get to the 18 skaters, then place Price on LTIR, and recall 2 guys from Laval (say Slaf and RHP up front) while putting Dvo on IR and recalling the four young defencemen who finished last year in Montreal while demoting Keeper and Beaudin and Wideman. We will then have one extra F, one extra D and one estra G in the pressbox each game.

Keep Slaf on the roster, he's got gigantic bonuses which would make recalling him post-LTIR dicey. But yes, probably need to waive 1 veteran forward. It could even be Pearson.

1) Waive Primeau, Wideman, Lias Anderson and Armia (no one is picking him up)
2) Send down RHP, Barron, Harris, and all the rookies like Roy, Farrell, Heineman, etc.
3) Leave Beaudin on the roster.

F = Suzuki, Caufield, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak, Dach, Pearson, Newhook, Monahan, Evans, Slav, Pezzetta, Ylonen
D = Matheson, Savard, Guhle, Xhekaj, Kovacevic, Beaudin
G = Price, Allen, Montembeault

This gets you $34,584 under the cap for 10 minutes at the start of the season.

(You could actually get closer if you also leave Norlinder or Trudeau on the roster temporarily and demote Xhekaj instead).

Then put Price and Dvorak on LTIR, demote Beaudin and call up Armia, RHP, Barron, Harris. 14 forwards, 7 D, 2 goalies on the roster. Problem solved.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It's possible if we demote all the waiver-eligible players for deadline purposes, plus one forward out of Pearson, Armia, Evans

 

[red devil]

Ok, cool! More trades incoming or just paper moves with the AHL required you think?

We do have many players that can be moved to the AHL without going through waivers even if it just a paper transaction. Hughes can also make a trade as well I can't guess what he is going to do as many of his moves have come without any rumours preceeding them.

 

[JuicyHam]

I wonder what Pearson and Monahan will bring at the TDL.

Will 100% be based on health. Hopefully something decent though

 

[Captain Mountain]

The cap compliance roster list you are submitting has 14 F, 3D and 4G. I don't think that is legal. Your roster must include 18 skaters.

You can add the cheapest possible skaters like Wideman, Keeper and Beaudin to get to 6, demote Slaf, but you are still $902k over. And will be at 13-6-4 You will need to waive a forward like Armia, Pearson or Evans to save $1,150,000 and get to the 18 skaters, then place Price on LTIR, and recall 2 guys from Laval (say Slaf and RHP up front) while putting Dvo on IR and recalling the four young defencemen who finished last year in Montreal while demoting Keeper and Beaudin and Wideman. We will then have one extra F, one extra D and one estra G in the pressbox each game.

Fair. My point generally stands though, Montreal doesn't have to lose a player they don't want to lose (ignoring some fans assumption that Pearson and Armia wont be waived):

1) Add Primeau (29 Players, 7.068 mil over)
2) Send Reinbacher to Europe (28 Players, 6.118 mil over)
3) Send RHP, Barron, Harris down (25 players, 2.944 mil over)
4) Waive Armia, Pearson and Wideman/Lindstrom (22 players, under the cap)
5) Season starts with 18 skaters and 4 goalies, Price goes on LTIR (21 players, WELL under the cap with LTIR Pool)
6) Put Dvorak on IR, and shuffle guys around so you're at 23 players and under the cap.

This also assumes that Pez and Primeau qualify as "don't want to lose", which feels like a missing the forest for the trees mindset.

Demoting Slaf is the one thing you DON'T want to do. Players called up when you're in the LTIR Pool have their bonuses count against the cap, which would make Slaf a 4.45 mil player.

 

[Michoulicious]

We do have many players that can be moved to the AHL without going through waivers even if it just a paper transaction. Hughes can also make a trade as well I can't guess what he is going to do as many of his moves have come without any rumours preceeding them.

Yes, but I'm wondering to what extent you can do that (move players to the AHL at the end of off season then move then back up after)... Do you need to have a minimum number of players?

At 1,15 millions max saved for each players sent down on a paper transaction, and -6,2 millions on the cap right now, it would mean you'd need to send 5-6 players down right now, no? That seems like a lot!

 

[ReHabs]

I feel like they like Armia as a player but will waive his contract to get in under the salary cap.

It’s either Armia or Pearson but Armia’s the more immovable contract so it would be win win win if they waived him rather than Pearson. To waive Pearson after all he’s been through would be rather disrespectful. If Armia gets claimed, great, if he doesn’t it’s fine and expected. Armia probably doesn’t mind either way.

 

[26Mats]

I get the impression that new management is more than willing to give young guys ice time. If the deserve it, they'll play. If not, Pearson will play.

The thing is, with Ylonen, I think he needs to play more to get more comfortable. So, it might be hard for him to beat out a vet until he gets that comfort, that more experience. So, I'd rather just give Ylonen the ice time than play a vet who might be better now, but who is too old to be a part of the team when we're ready to contend.

 

[FerrisRox]

?
His 1.9M contract shouldn't require retention to move. Health is the only barrier to moving him as the deadline approaches I would imagine

Every cent matters in terms of cap space.

I full expect Monahan, if he's healthy enough to be traded, to have retention used.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yes, but I'm wondering to what extent you can do that (move players to the AHL at the end of off season then move then back up after)... Do you need to have a minimum number of players?

At 1,15 millions max saved for each players sent down on a paper transaction, and -6,2 millions on the cap right now, it would mean you'd need to send 5-6 players down right now, no? That seems like a lot!

That -6.2 millions on the cap accounts for 28 guys (a roster of 23 players, Price and the 4 players that finished last season on IR (Caufield, Slaf, Monahan, Xhekaj). They're going to have to send guys down/waive 5-6 guys either way.

 

[red devil]

Yes, but I'm wondering to what extent you can do that (move players to the AHL at the end of off season then move then back up after)... Do you need to have a minimum number of players?

At 1,15 millions max saved for each players sent down on a paper transaction, and -6,2 millions on the cap right now, it would mean you'd need to send 5-6 players down right now, no? That seems like a lot!

If you do waiver eligible players and Reinbacher who is most likely going back to Switzerland. The players I did with sending down fairly quickly were RHP, Guhle, Harris. Barron and Slafkovsky I got to 5,938 and Montreal need 6,177 to get under the cap. I'm fairly sure they can figure it out as I'm an amateur doing this and they capologist handling these issues.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I wonder what Pearson and Monahan will bring at the TDL.

Probably medical bills for the Habs