Confirmed with Link: Tanner Pearson and 3rd (2025) Traded to Montreal for Casey DeSmith

[Miller Time]

Not a chance. And I don't even like Pitlick that much. but he is a better injury replacement than Lindstrom, by far. I'm ok with trading Pitlick and giving him a fresh start, just saying that Lindstrom has zero value.

Oufff... I'll just say that I think your player evaluation is way off. Pitlick hardly got injury replacement time in our injury depleted roster last year.

While neither are very valuable Lindstrom is by far the more valuable asset, both on ice and as a trade piece.

The market certainly suggested as much this past summer.

If we keep Primeau it is that he is playing at least as well as Allen. In that case, we can start with a pace to play Monty 40 games and Primeau and Allen 21 each, and see where that evolves.

That makes no sense at all.

If the team wants to keep Primeau because they think he's the future#1, playing him 20 games next year would be idiotic.

Likewise, if they view Monty as #1, no reason not to play him 50+ games to be sure before signing him to the extension required.

That's a totally unrealistic scenario. I'll gladly buy you a beer if that's what happens (injury notwithstanding).

 

[CGG]

Primeau will not be lost on waivers. Every team has a Primeau. Ours just happens to be on a one-way contract owed $1.9 million over the next 2 years. No team is touching that to give him a shot of maybe earning a backup role.

 

[Treb]

Fixes the issue of three goalies, are you Marc Bergevin? You got no depth in net now. Everybody knows Allen is piece of glass. He's been injury 4 seasons straight. Primeau high chance be claimed. He's cheap goalie who once was top prospect.

Throwing away 1.45m in cap and your goalie depth for lousy third round pick which has 9% chance of making NHL. Ylonen I don't know about.

De Smith had a high chance of getting claimed. The only realistic way to keep him was to keep 3 goalies in the NHL. If he ever cleared waivers, he would steal development time from Primeau/Dobes and likely force Dobes to the ECHL.

At this point, I highly doubt Primeau would get claimed. There are better options that will be on waivers.

We still have 4 goalies on NHL contracts, plus two more on AHL deals, we are fine on goalie depth.

 

[Redux91]

Every cent matters in terms of cap space.

I full expect Monahan, if he's healthy enough to be traded, to have retention used.

Uhh yeah not on a 1yr/2 mill deal lol..

By the time the TDL comes around that 2 mill turns into 1 mill left on top of that

Now you're probably one of these people who were freaking out about retention spots in the summer like it was the all of a sudden popular thing to freak out about lol
But a team won't force us to retain on 1M left, not when they become UFA at years end
Especially if he's having a good year, we'd be in the driver seat for the trade,
If he's having a bad year don't think they trade him since he's not destroying our cap at 6.25

 

[KevSkillz4]

Just the fact that Went Wughes transformed Mike Hoffman and Rem Pitlick to a Nathan Légaré, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gustav Lidstrom... that's amazing.

Another great work by the new management, each move looks very good so far. Draft and sign's looks very encouraging aswell.

 

[schwang26]

The thing is, with Ylonen, I think he needs to play more to get more comfortable. So, it might be hard for him to beat out a vet until he gets that comfort, that more experience. So, I'd rather just give Ylonen the ice time than play a vet who might be better now, but who is too old to be a part of the team when we're ready to contend.

I'd love to see Ylonen succeed and maybe he's a guy that'll perform better in the NHL, if that's even a real thing, but from watching him since day 1 in the ahl, he disappears a lot! Aside from scoring every 3 or 4 games, and firing a nice PP shot here and there, he really doesn't do anything else. I'm totally serious when I say, sometimes his name doesn't even get called in the pkay by play. I'm not saying this about you, but people who haven't watched Laval probably know what I'm talking about. He's very inconsistent and is a perimeter guy with a hard shot.

The thing is, with Ylonen, I think he needs to play more to get more comfortable. So, it might be hard for him to beat out a vet until he gets that comfort, that more experience. So, I'd rather just give Ylonen the ice time than play a vet who might be better now, but who is too old to be a part of the team when we're ready to contend.

 

[schwang26]

Agreed. Ylonen had decent development but he's a middle 6F at best. Probably bottom 6F in the end. It's a big season for him and does he get claimed if put on waivers? 50/50 chance but thinking we are looking at top 6F is the problem. It's just not accurate. If Ylonen had top 6F potential, he would have shown it by now.

Don't be surprised if Ylonen gets passed over by Roy. RHP already did. Simmoneau plays a more complete game then him and puts up points. I think what you see is what you get with Ylonen. If he's not in a top 6 role, don't expect him to play a complete game or to really produce much. He can score every so often, but that's it.

On a slightly related note, I still think Condotta will get a good look.

 

[Milhouse40]

That’s a great example “we don’t miss on 3rd rounders, look at this 2nd rounder we took”. Engstrom and Fowler are not NHLers yet. Again, it’s not a bad trade but it doesn’t move the needle much. Average hurt player on a poor contract and you get a 3rd rounder. It’s not exactly exciting. Do something with these assets, make a bold move. It’s time to stop playing safe at some point.

Well.....the Habs are not an entity and new management has been only here for 2 drafts so there's only Engstrom, Rohrer and Fowler......and I never said that we didn't miss or hit on these 3rd rounder but it's also too soon to say we never hit on them either. So far looks good.

If there's an opportunity out there, Hughes as put the organization in a prime position to hit a homerun......

We already have 11 picks this year and now another 11 picks next year, that's more than 3 years worth of draft pick. We already have so many prospect and young players at every position that we don't know what to do with them and we have some cap space this year and a ton next summer.

It just make the organization is a better place.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If the team wants to keep Primeau because they think he's the future#1, playing him 20 games next year would be idiotic.

Except that is not what I said. I said START him with 1 game out of 4, and see how it evolves. If he is the best of the three goalies, or a great #2, he should get more of course.

If he craps the bed several times, then he does not play except for injuries, and we can waive him if we find another #3.

Likewise, if they view Monty as #1, no reason not to play him 50+ games to be sure before signing him to the extension required.

If he looks great at the 40 pace, he can be given a bit more, like 48-50.

Eventually, one of the three will get only injury replacement time, but it's ok to take a quarter or third of the seson to see how they each do.

That's a totally unrealistic scenario. I'll gladly buy you a beer if that's what happens (injury notwithstanding).

Well, yeah, I dunno if the club is willing to try this. Teams have done it before including the Habs, but it's not super common.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yes, but I'm wondering to what extent you can do that (move players to the AHL at the end of off season then move then back up after)... Do you need to have a minimum number of players?

At 1,15 millions max saved for each players sent down on a paper transaction, and -6,2 millions on the cap right now, it would mean you'd need to send 5-6 players down right now, no? That seems like a lot!

It's not too much when you are starting with 29. Read higher up, two of us have shown how to do it.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I'm curious if Dvorak will be on injury reserve as he played during some 3 on 3 scrimmage. If he was healthy enough for that then he should be even healthier now.

So my previous assumption proved correct. Dvorak will start the season on the shelf.

Montreal Canadiens' Christian Dvorak Will Miss First Month Of Season

 

[26Mats]

I'd love to see Ylonen succeed and maybe he's a guy that'll perform better in the NHL, if that's even a real thing, but from watching him since day 1 in the ahl, he disappears a lot! Aside from scoring every 3 or 4 games, and firing a nice PP shot here and there, he really doesn't do anything else. I'm totally serious when I say, sometimes his name doesn't even get called in the pkay by play. I'm not saying this about you, but people who haven't watched Laval probably know what I'm talking about. He's very inconsistent and is a perimeter guy with a hard shot.

Yes, that's his game. But notice, scoring once every 3 or 4 games makes you a 20 - 27 goal scorer. That's the hope with Ylonen, that he can be a 20+ goal, 40+ point guy, but who doesn't hurt you defensively.

With his speed, that would be great in the bottom 6. I liked what I saw last year from Gallagher-Evans-Ylonen, and think that would be a great 4th line.

 

[Sorinth]

Just the fact that Went Wughes transformed Mike Hoffman and Rem Pitlick to a Nathan Légaré, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gustav Lidstrom... that's amazing.

Another great work by the new management, each move looks very good so far. Draft and sign's looks very encouraging aswell.

More realistically he turned cap 1m in cap space this year and 2.4m next year into all that.

EDIT: And with the 6m last year that he turned into a 1st, we almost have an extra teams worth of draft picks in 2025 all through cap space management.

 

[rahad]

Just the fact that Went Wughes transformed Mike Hoffman and Rem Pitlick to a Nathan Légaré, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gustav Lidstrom... that's amazing.

Another great work by the new management, each move looks very good so far. Draft and sign's looks very encouraging aswell.

Kent is very good at trading and extending contract . Next summer, we will see if he is good at signing/convincing free agent to sign with the Habs? Fans will be expecting to make the playoff by 2024-2025,

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

can't wait to see the 3 forwards getting axed for an even slower Armia

 

[Redux91]

can't wait to see the 3 forwards getting axed for an even slower Armia

Are you 24/7 miserable or do you ever have 'good' days..?

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Just the fact that Went Wughes transformed Mike Hoffman and Rem Pitlick to a Nathan Légaré, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Gustav Lidstrom... that's amazing.

If it was just that, it would be amazing. But you are conveniently lefting out the part where we took on a broken down Tanner Pearson who earns $3.25M, and on top of that we are uselessly burning a retention slot for two years at $2,343,750 to not hurt Petry's feelings or something.

That's not so amazing.

 

[Redux91]

If it was just that, it would be amazing. But you are conveniently lefting out the part where we took on a broken down Tanner Pearson who earns $3.25M, and on top of that we are uselessly burning a retention slot for two years at $2,343,750 to not hurt Petry's feelings or something.

That's not so amazing.

Damn! You gotta pay all that??
How'd you get the cash??
The Habs organization must be very thankful for your enormously generous donation. Wow
Honestly my hat is off to you bud, good form.
We could all take a page out of your book

 

[WeThreeKings]

If it was just that, it would be amazing. But you are conveniently lefting out the part where we took on a broken down Tanner Pearson who earns $3.25M, and on top of that we are uselessly burning a retention slot for two years at $2,343,750 to not hurt Petry's feelings or something.

That's not so amazing.

Oh no a retention slot and some money when we aren't contending and will have ample cap space to play with and a rising cap.

Won't somebody think of the children!!!

 

[schwang26]

Yes, that's his game. But notice, scoring once every 3 or 4 games makes you a 20 - 27 goal scorer. That's the hope with Ylonen, that he can be a 20+ goal, 40+ point guy, but who doesn't hurt you defensively.

With his speed, that would be great in the bottom 6. I liked what I saw last year from Gallagher-Evans-Ylonen, and think that would be a great 4th line.

Ya but that's ahl playing top minutes. He won't get that in the NHL. (Unless he really picks it up!). I don't see him as an effective 4th liner. He's not a good checker, not physical, I've never really seen him in his own zone much either. A 4th line has to be built a certain way and I don't think he'd be effective there.

 

[Andy]

If it was just that, it would be amazing. But you are conveniently lefting out the part where we took on a broken down Tanner Pearson who earns $3.25M, and on top of that we are uselessly burning a retention slot for two years at $2,343,750 to not hurt Petry's feelings or something.

That's not so amazing.

You say this like we brought in Pearson to fix scoring woes to help compete. The habs, barring stars aligning with multiple players hitting their peaks this season, will not be competing.

The habs are spending 3.25 for a 3rd round pick. The pick is a greater asset than cap space, especially since there isn't anything to spend it on right now.

Retention slots are to be used to bring assets, which they did. There is no point in collecting retention slots for the sake of. This is precisely the reason they should be used for non-competing teams. What a nonsensical argument. You gain nothing hoarding retention slots.

The habs have essentially brought in half a draft worth of picks taking on cap they don't intend to use in a year they will not compete.

The picks they got back have more value than the deadweight they removed from the team. Pearson is gone at years end.

 

[Sorinth]

If it was just that, it would be amazing. But you are conveniently lefting out the part where we took on a broken down Tanner Pearson who earns $3.25M, and on top of that we are uselessly burning a retention slot for two years at $2,343,750 to not hurt Petry's feelings or something.

That's not so amazing.

A broken down Pearson is still better then Hoffman, just like Lindstrom is a better asset then Pitlick. So really it's a retention slot and some unused cap for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th. It may not be amazing, but it's certainly excellent asset management.

 

[Miller Time]

You say this like we brought in Pearson to fix scoring woes to help complete. The habs, barring stars aligning with multiple players hitting their peaks this season, will not be competing.

The habs are spending 3.25 for a 3rd round pick. The pick is a greater asset than cap space, especially since there isn't anything to spend it on right now.

Retention slots are to be used to bring assets, which they did. There is no point in collecting retention slots for the sake of. This is precisely the reason they should be used for non-competing teams. What a nonsensical argument. You gain nothing hoarding retention slots.

The habs have essentially brought in half a draft worth of picks taking on cap they don't intend to use in a year they will not compete.

The picks they got back have more value than the deadweight they removed from the team. Pearson is gone at years end.

& it's more like 1.4 than 3.25 because DeSmith had a cap and salary cost we were on the hook for & no use for.

The Dvorak news only strengthens the reasoning to take on a vet forward in the swap, and the comments surfacing from diverse Nuck players bode well for Pearson being a positive addition to this young group.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Are you 24/7 miserable or do you ever have 'good' days..?

Im not sorry but a slower and older version of Joel Armia is not positive at all for this team. Just another useless veteran whos probably gonna steal the spot of a kid.

Suzuki , Caufield , Gallagher , Dach , Dvorak , Anderson , Armia , NewHook , Monahan , Evans . Those 10 are not getting scratched.

That leaves Pearson , RHP , Pezetta , Ylonen , Slafkovski + perhaps new prospects making the team.

Also have 3 dead cap space already. Just to make happy some 3rd wheel goalie. Kids need to play , they are not gonna waive Gallagher and other vets like him.

Perhaps we should finally use some draft picks that we can't use properly for the last decade and perhaps send away some scrap so we can have space for the kids.

Even on defense we have 10 players and 8 if u remove Wideman and Orville. Literally no spots for anyone .

 

[Rapala]

Primeau will not be lost on waivers. Every team has a Primeau. Ours just happens to be on a one-way contract owed $1.9 million over the next 2 years. No team is touching that to give him a shot of maybe earning a backup role.

I'd have to agree. The only player we'd risk losing on waivers would be Ylonen. Our other decent assets are exempt or are cap laden vets. I seriously doubt a Tanner Pearson at 31 years old described as being at 80% on his rehab would get any interest. I'm not concerned one bit about not being able to get under the cap including having Price on our roster for opening day.