I don’t agree. It would have been totally fine to pick a D there. Sergachev or McAvoy if we thought they were the best player. Probably the latter is worth even more than Tkachuk and we wouldn’t have regretted either. The fact is we made a bad choice.
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Virtanen and Juolevi were bad but the Pettersson pick was good. Let’s not revise history. He was picked ahead of consensus and Vancouver was even trying to move
down a spot.
Now we were fortunate that Hughes was there but I’m sure there were other teams who would’ve passed on him there, maybe because of his size for example . We made the right choice. Not as impressive as Pettersson but still a good decision.
One final thought, Moritz Seider was the 18th ranked player by consensus before the 2019 draft. McKenzie who relies on scouts had him at 16 in his final ranking
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Concerns were mostly around the league he played in and that maybe he didn’t have the offence for the NHL. Similar concerns to Reinbacher, though the NL is def better than the DEL.
Could easily see Reinbacher get in or close to the top 10 and be picked anywhere 5-10.
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Concerns were mostly around the league he played in and that maybe he didn’t have the offence for the NHL. Similar concerns to Reinbacher, though the NL is def better than the DEL.
Could easily see Reinbacher get in or close to the top 10 and be picked anywhere 5-10.
Take the best player period. I mean had we taken the gimme putt and drafted Tkachuk, a winger, we could have always traded him for D or a Center down the road. There was really no justification for taking a high risk pick like Juolevi or any of the other D at that spot even though some of them turned out to be great picks. Just take the best player especially when it’s that obvious.
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Would love if he was there at 13+. He doesn't have Seider's size but the Canucks have such a need for RHD that they need to draft one with the Islanders pick if possible. Him or ASP would be great picks but both probably shoot up the rankings as more teams prioritize RHD. Would be awesome if they could pick up a late first rounder this year to take flyers on a guy like Dragicevic.One final thought, Moritz Seider was the 18th ranked player by consensus before the 2019 draft. McKenzie who relies on scouts had him at 16 in his final ranking
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Concerns were mostly around the league he played in and that maybe he didn’t have the offence for the NHL. Similar concerns to Reinbacher, though the NL is def better than the DEL.
Could easily see Reinbacher get in or close to the top 10 and be picked anywhere 5-10.
Canucks should also be looking to sign Jake Livingstone when he hits FA. BC boy, good size, all around two-way D. If the Canucks end up shipping out Schenn and Myers this season, he would have a guaranteed spot to try to burn an contract year. Currently the Canucks are by no means an enticing org, but we can dream. Would leave them with Bear, Livingstone and whoever else they can find to fill the void on the right side (Sign Schenn back in fa?)
BPA is such a strange statement. Like first that's what team's are trying to do and more importantly how do you define best?
It seems the way it is used here means don't draft for positional need which makes sense but again best is so subjective and dependent on team.
Does Tkachuk help Vancouver more than Sergachev? What about Dobson vs Hughes?
How many LWs needing PP time do you have room for in your system? At what point is this relevant since making the NHL is so difficult and the vast majority of picks won't.
It seems the way it is used here means don't draft for positional need which makes sense but again best is so subjective and dependent on team.
Does Tkachuk help Vancouver more than Sergachev? What about Dobson vs Hughes?
How many LWs needing PP time do you have room for in your system? At what point is this relevant since making the NHL is so difficult and the vast majority of picks won't.
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Sergachev was the one I was hoping for if they went the D route that year. Juolevi was the one guy I considered a terrible choice.
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All it means is dont skip a player just because you currently have good players at the players position.
I think the term needs to just die since so many people read so different things in to it that it is pretty much unusable.
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It’s always a crap shoot to some degree, I also didn’t like the pick, but your projecting out and it’s easy to identify wrong choices with hindsight
With Mcavoy it is hindsight but most knowledgable posters here wanted Sergachev when everyone here knew Benning was going after a D that draft. Chychrun was also heavily discussed. Mr Canucklehead was high on Bean at the time as well. The board wanted PLD and when he was taken early Tkachuk was the consensus pick
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Agreed on all fronts, I personally couldn’t believe they didn’t take Tkachuk and was in the fence with PLD which had been a possibility. sergachev had been my option in terms of Dmen but Jolievi wasn’t a totally off the board choice. More than anything I was angry we passed on the power forward and if I recall correctly it was because we had taken Virtanen the year before and I wasn’t high in that pick either. But I was also not super happy about the Pettersson pick and was flat out wrong. I guess what I am saying is hindsight makes it all clear. I mean, I am still not over passing Tkachuk as he is exactly what this team had needed and continues to need.
It was a funny draft because it felt like PLD was going to be our nice consolation prize for dropping the maximum amount of spots in the lotteries, but then you remember that Benning had a deal lined up for Subban where we would send PLD (if he dropped) + Horvat to MTL lol.
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It should be clear that trade would have been a disaster, but we got nothing out of pick and we need to see how the Horvat trade pans out before it’s clear if we ended up better off. Subban was good for a short period after, but yeah PLD and Horvat for Subban would look very very bad.
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D are super high risk even when they do pan out. Gudbranson and Myers for example. They are still in the league, still making big money. But where do they land in a redraft ? In some redrafts, Myers is at #16 (went 12th) which could be worse I guess.
Gudbranson goes 3rd over all and doesn't make the top 20 in a redraft. But hey, still in the league.
I like the idea of drafting BPA forwards and using them to acquire D men even if you have to overpay.
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If we consider that Bedard will sign with us after his ELC, then getting anyone in the top 2 or 4 is just as good as getting Bedard. Because in 7 years, our pick will be playing with Bedard.
Mcdavid didn't win a cup in Edm in his first 7 years. I'd rather have Bedard and Fantilli in 7 years than just Bedard.
We should consider this in our tank watching. What is our ongoing odds for landing a top 2 should be all that matters.
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There's no way whoever drafts him signs him to a 4 year deal after his ELC. They'd be better off letting offersheets come in than to lose him for nothing or as a rental in his fourth year.
I only agree with BPA if the player being picked is clearly a tier above other players available that fill an organizational need (ie. Tkachuk vs. Juolevi). If there are a group of players at your pick that you feel will have similar impacts, it is completely fine to stray toward the position of need/scarcity. Top tier RHD and centres are very rarely available via trade or free agency so it's somewhat naive to say roster/depth chart management shouldn't be a consideration on draft day.
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I forgot about offer sheets. Who decides the offer sheet compensation if the player moves
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It is set out in the CBA.
It goes by contract value.
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All must be that team's picks but some can be pushed out for a year.
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The price would probably end up being 14+ mil and 4 firsts for Bedard. If he ends up being a franchise player I'd pay that in a heartbeat
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Arizona and Anaheim are both in action tonight. It's unlikely that they'll get points, but the predictable Canucks loss and a couple of surprises for the Coyotes and Ducks would tighten things up at the bottom of the standings.
I recognize the business about ease of schedule working against the Canucks for the rest of the season, but at the same time (and sure, this has been said already, but it's worth repeating), that easy schedule contains opportunity. The Canucks have 8 games against teams currently below them in the standings. Lose a wack of those games, and the team is looking at a top five pick.
Trade Schenn now.
I recognize the business about ease of schedule working against the Canucks for the rest of the season, but at the same time (and sure, this has been said already, but it's worth repeating), that easy schedule contains opportunity. The Canucks have 8 games against teams currently below them in the standings. Lose a wack of those games, and the team is looking at a top five pick.
Trade Schenn now.
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