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Friedman: Tampa have inquired about Tuch, gunning for a forward.

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lakeshirts37 said:
The player is Cirelli!!!


Just say Buffalo isnt trading Tuch (which I agree with) because three 1sts is an absolutely preposterous and delusional trade return
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Bruh TB traded a haul for Tanner Jeannot if they want literally one of the best players on the Sabres who has an insanely cheap contract they would have to pay big considering they are contenders easily with him.....
 
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Tuch is maybe a bit better than Cirelli but his contract is up fairly soon and he's a winger. There is just no reason for the Bolts to do that. Cernak is a Mcdonagh merchant with injury problems so if Buffalo wants him I guess that works out.
 
Feels like the Lightning would be better off upgrading a couple of the real shitty spots in the bottom six than focusing all their resources into a guy like Tuch who is extremely overqualified to be their #5/6 forward.

You’ve got Girgensons, Glendening, Atkinson and Sheary (I guess Sheary not regularly but he’s there and little room for guys being out) still playing regularly. You’ve could easily upgrade two of those spots significantly with way less outlay than to chase Tuch, and maybe reduce the soft/blackhole minutes that exist when you have to give the big guns a rest.
 
Rschmitz said:
I don't see how there is anything to discuss here if you think you're getting key roster players off the Lightning. Completely ruins the point of the trade.
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So we should give up a key player from our roster and take scrubs back?
 
toddkaz said:
So we should give up a key player from our roster and take scrubs back?
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Come on, there’s no reason to ramp up the hostility. TB wants to upgrade the roster by trading a futures only package while they are still in a Cup window. Sabres are, unfortunately, in limbo. No playoffs on the horizon, no need of futures. They just can’t trade Tuch.
 
The Sabres do need to evaluate whether Tuch is going to resign. And if the answer is probably “no”…I’d definitely consider trading him.

He will be worth 1st + at the TDL in 2025 - but if you want to maximize his value in a “hockey trade”, now is the time to do it. He's a year younger now. He’s got two playoff runs in him on a cheap AAV for somebody now. The difference in value return for a pure rental versus a guy with 1.5 years left is pretty monumental.

Tampa certainly does not have the assets they would part with for the Sabres to consider, but others might. I get it - the team has been playing better, you are trying to build winning and culture and maybe want to say to your fans “we are keeping our veteran star for 25-26 because we are committed to winning”. But if you get to March 2025 and he hasn’t resigned and is going to bolt in a few months - I think you are playing with fire and looking at a far less appealing situation.

If you can do a hockey deal by this deadline for a guy who helps and has more control, go for it. I don’t see that guy (or guy+) on the Lightning roster that they’d give up.
 
BKarchitect said:
The Sabres do need to evaluate whether Tuch is going to resign. And if the answer is probably “no”…I’d definitely consider trading him.
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They cant do that till the summer with him havng 1+yrs left
BKarchitect said:
He will be worth 1st + at the TDL in 2025 - but if you want to maximize his value in a “hockey trade”, now is the time to do it.
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No. Summer would be because teams can negotiate an extension before a trade
BKarchitect said:
He's a year younger now. He’s got two playoff runs in him on a cheap AAV for somebody now. The difference in value return for a pure rental versus a guy with 1.5 years left is pretty monumental.
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Again false. You know you can keep him beyond onr more year
BKarchitect said:
Tampa certainly does not have the assets they would part with for the Sabres to consider, but others might. I get it - the team has been playing better, you are trying to build winning and culture and maybe want to say to your fans “we are keeping our veteran star for 25-26 because we are committed to winning”. But if you get to March 2025 and he hasn’t resigned and is going to bolt in a few months - I think you are playing with fire and looking at a far less appealing situation.

If you can do a hockey deal by this deadline for a guy who helps and has more control, go for it. I don’t see that guy (or guy+) on the Lightning roster that they’d give up.
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Lighting doesnt have anything they would give up. Given their prior trades it would cost about 4 1st to get him
 
Djp said:
They cant do that till the summer with him havng 1+yrs left


No. Summer would be because teams can negotiate an extension before a trade


Again false. You know you can keep him beyond onr more year
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Teams may very well value Tuch without the extension in place more than him being tied to his retirement deal from age 30-37 or whatever. His value still in his prime for two playoff runs at $4.75 AAV and then NOT having to pay him for his declining years is a bonus, not a deterrent. I want Tuch this year and next more than I want to be the team to give him his 6-7 year retirement extension that is all in his 30’s.

Smart teams will pay more for Tuch now at this deadline than when he’s tied into his next extension.

If extends in Buffalo this summer or fall, that’s great and hopefully the plan. But I’d hope you’d have some indication of his openness to it now, even if he can’t officially extend yet.
 
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BKarchitect said:
Teams may very well value Tuch without the extension in place more than him being tied to his retirement deal from age 30-37 or whatever. His value still in his prime for two playoff runs at $4.75 AAV and then NOT having to pay him for his declining years is a bonus, not a deterrent. I want Tuch this year and next more than I want to be the team to give him his 6-7 year retirement extension that is all in his 30’s.

Smart teams will pay more for Tuch now at this deadline than when he’s tied into his next extension.

If extends in Buffalo this summer or fall, that’s great and hopefully the plan. But I’d hope you’d have some indication of his openness to it now, even if he can’t officially extend yet.
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The GM has said hes looking to do hockey trades, not magic bean trades.

Tuch getting traded would be a serious PR problem if all it's for are magic beans
 
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Djp said:
The GM has said hes looking to do hockey trades, not magic bean trades.

Tuch getting traded would be a serious PR problem if all it's for are magic beans
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Who said anything about magic beans? I mentioned “only for a big hockey trade” several times.

The last thing the Sabres need are picks and prospects, agreed. Tampa isn’t a fit.
 
BKarchitect said:
Teams may very well value Tuch without the extension in place more than him being tied to his retirement deal from age 30-37 or whatever. His value still in his prime for two playoff runs at $4.75 AAV and then NOT having to pay him for his declining years is a bonus, not a deterrent. I want Tuch this year and next more than I want to be the team to give him his 6-7 year retirement extension that is all in his 30’s.

Smart teams will pay more for Tuch now at this deadline than when he’s tied into his next extension.

If extends in Buffalo this summer or fall, that’s great and hopefully the plan. But I’d hope you’d have some indication of his openness to it now, even if he can’t officially extend yet.
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This is the correct way for an organization to operate. Buffalo should absolutely be in contact with Tuch's agent. I wouldn't fault them if they had conversations with his camp, determined he wouldn't want to re-sign and looked to move him at this deadline. I think he'd get a really nice return especially if the Sabres retained on his deal and packaged him. I can also acknowledge that Buffalo really needs to be getting established talent. They can't peddle him for futures.
 
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toddkaz said:
Tampa fans....Of course you don't see them as scrubs cause your homerism gets in the way.
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Please enlighten us who you think the scrubs are. Geekie, the 20 year old top 10 pick; or Howard, the 20 year old who is likely to win the Hobey Baker? I don't want my homerism getting in the way.
 
DistantThunderRep said:
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "scrubs". Which actually seems ironic.
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Whats the irony?

Rschmitz said:
Please enlighten us who you think the scrubs are. Geekie, the 20 year old top 10 pick; or Howard, the 20 year old who is likely to win the Hobey Baker? I don't want my homerism getting in the way.
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Wasn't Geekie picked 11th? Tough to have a discussion when you are touting something that is a lie.
 
Rschmitz said:
Please enlighten us who you think the scrubs are. Geekie, the 20 year old top 10 pick; or Howard, the 20 year old who is likely to win the Hobey Baker? I don't want my homerism getting in the way.
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No interest in Geekie or Howard, we need hockey deal, otherwise it doesn't make sense to us.
 
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