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[Pokecheque]

He left his feet when making the hit. Textbook Charging.
And he slammed his opponent into the boards violently. Textbook Boarding
5 minute major. Game misconduct.

Properly called and assessed.

Deliberate intent to injure? I don't believe so. And how would it be proved anyways.

Now the Bettman NHL is going to demand that a statement must be made that this type of physical play will not be tolerated.

I recall a few years ago Kucherov deliberately took out Sobotka's knee in a game in Sweden and never was held accountable. Sobotka never played again.

I remember Steve Moore getting crushed into the boards by Rob Blake. Moore never played again. Nothing was done.

Todd Bertuzzi....? I could go on.....

Steinburg? Who'se he? Let's make an example of this nobody.

I don't believe Steinburg will change his style of play. Nor should he.

Rob Blake? What!?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Rob Blake? What!?

I think they meant Peter Mueller, but maybe they exist in a alternate reality where it was Blake, not Bertuzzi that ended Moore's career

 

[henchman21]

Did they say specifically what made contact with Cernak's head? It looked to me like his head was whiplashed into the glass.

Yes they did and you can clearly see head contact prior to Cernak’s head hitting the glass.

This was simply a bad and dumb hit. Not the worst or close to it… but very clearly suspension worthy.

 

[Pokecheque]

I think they meant Peter Mueller, but maybe they exist in a alternate reality where it was Blake, not Bertuzzi that ended Moore's career

Okay, that I can see. To be fair, Mueller was one hard check away from being done even if it had been done legally but yes, Blake's check was pretty dirty IIRC.

The one that doesn't get talked about enough is my all-time favorite Av Matt Hunwick slamming the head of his former Bruins teammate Marc Savard into the glass, ending his career. And yes, his career was hanging on by a thread at that point anyway but Hunwick never laid a big hit on ANYONE during his time, then just happened to choose to hit a guy in the head? Ugh...

Anyway, I digress. Stienburg is doin' the time and hopefully learns a bit better balance because the previous hit on Zemgus Girgenssons was f***in' AWESOME.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I'm sorry but how is no one seeing Steinburgs flying shoulder hit Cernaks head? It's a textbook suspendable hit.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Okay, that I can see. To be fair, Mueller was one hard check away from being done even if it had been done legally but yes, Blake's check was pretty dirty IIRC.

The one that doesn't get talked about enough is my all-time favorite Av Matt Hunwick slamming the head of his former Bruins teammate Marc Savard into the glass, ending his career. And yes, his career was hanging on by a thread at that point anyway but Hunwick never laid a big hit on ANYONE during his time, then just happened to choose to hit a guy in the head? Ugh...

Anyway, I digress. Stienburg is doin' the time and hopefully learns a bit better balance because the previous hit on Zemgus Girgenssons was f***in' AWESOME.

The Blake check was what started the Mueller concussion issues, I can't remember him having significant issues with that previously.

 

[henchman21]

The Blake check was what started the Mueller concussion issues, I can't remember him having significant issues with that previously.

IIRC he had one with Arizona prior and one in the Dub that was known. As with most hockey players, they've had more than were diagnosed though.

The best thing Mueller ever did for himself was getting over to play in Europe. Not nearly as many issues there in this area, and from there he's had a pretty decent career.

 

[Ceremony]

I'll save everyone the trouble: Mueller is still playing. 5 points in 3 games so far in the Czech league.

 

[Pokecheque]

The Blake check was what started the Mueller concussion issues, I can't remember him having significant issues with that previously.

Oh he definitely had concussion issues before that, you could see it in the way he played, I've never seen a player avoid contact more than he did.

 

[Vaslof]

Kylington was somehow -2 in his 5 minutes of icetime.

 

[henchman21]

Kylington was somehow -2 in his 5 minutes of icetime.

Whenever he was out there, Cooper was trying to get the Point line out there ASAP. There was a change like 3 seconds into a shift to do that one the 2nd (?) goal.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

I think they meant Peter Mueller, but maybe they exist in a alternate reality where it was Blake, not Bertuzzi that ended Moore's career

LOL Naw........ I just don't have total recall like some of you guys. Now that you've reminded me, it was Mueller that Blake too out and Bertuzzi on Moore.

Thanks for the history lesson.

 

[MacKaRant]

Oh he definitely had concussion issues before that, you could see it in the way he played, I've never seen a player avoid contact more than he did.

In contrast to Cernak, who has had a few concussions in the NHL, and still doesn't seem to keep his head up or move out of the way. I hope he's okay after the Steinburg hit, never good to see head injuries

 

[Alienblood]

They got a ton of credit for Bura, Nuke, Toews, Kadri…

(I know that these can’t be compared with 1M AAV crap UFAs)

Garth Joy is gone now though

 

[Alienblood]

My sentiments exactly. He left his feet and used his ass to make contract... and did NOT make contact with the head.

Sure, Steinburg lept into the check. So boarding and charging. Those are the calls. Forsberg regularly used to use his ass to take out people but his skates didn't leave the ice.

The NHL Disciplinary Guru is inept and oh so very consistently, inconsistently situational.

It's a clean hit if he doesn't leave his feet. There was no contact with the head

 

[henchman21]

It's a clean hit if he doesn't leave his feet. There was no contact with the head

There was very clear contact to the head. How do people not see this?!

If Stienburg stayed on his feet, he hits Cernak through the chest. Maybe it is a 2 minute charge are worst, but probably doesn't get called. There would be zero chatter about it because it wouldn't be jumping into Cernak's head.

 

[S E P H]

Kylington was somehow -2 in his 5 minutes of icetime.

I think what we're seeing is that Bednar is very limited in the type of player who is successful in his system. Other coaches can utilise players like Tatar to their maximum, but Bednar some how makes certain players worse.

 

[MacKaRant]

I think what we're seeing is that Bednar is very limited in the type of player who is successful in his system. Other coaches can utilise players like Tatar to their maximum, but Bednar some how makes certain players worse.

Seph, I love ya, but are you really skewering Bednar because he can't get a defenseman who's never played forward in his life, was out of the league for awhile and lost whatever spark he had, and couldn't beat out an aging Calvin de Haan or a random waiver wire pickup from one of the East's most hopeless teams for a regular spot on our D to play well as a winger?

 

[S E P H]

Seph, I love ya, but are you really skewering Bednar because he can't get a defenseman who's never played forward in his life, was out of the league for awhile and lost whatever spark he had, and couldn't beat out an aging Calvin de Haan or a random waiver wire pickup from one of the East's most hopeless teams for a regular spot on our D to play well as a winger?

Kylington is rubbish in any position, don't think I am defending his play by any means, but we've seen talented players go out of Bednar's system and thrive better. It's fine for the most part, Avs playoff chances won't be impacted by players like Tatar, Kylington, Greer, etc. But I don't think we are maximising our squad to the best of our abilities if Jared can't do some adjusting here and there. That's the main concern I have because our pro scouts will never be 100% and we can't draft at all, so we need a lot of things to go our way and Bednar's lack of adjustment for certain players is another part of the chain that could have negative consequences.

 

[dahrougem2]

Seph, I love ya, but are you really skewering Bednar because he can't get a defenseman who's never played forward in his life, was out of the league for awhile and lost whatever spark he had, and couldn't beat out an aging Calvin de Haan or a random waiver wire pickup from one of the East's most hopeless teams for a regular spot on our D to play well as a winger?

I tend to ageee with SEPH on this one. If a player can't play to Bednar's exact, preferred style of hockey they won't succeed here.

We have also seen the reverse of that where a player thrives in Bednar's system but doesn't look all too great after leaving the Avs.

I think you could get legit use out of the Steinburg's, Prischepov's, Tynan's, and AHLer Phillips and Megna's of the world but you can't expect them to be EXACTLY like the 3rd/4th lines you would have if the team was healthy. He doesn't like playing them, though, so we don't get to see.

F*** Chris Wagner, though. That guy should never see NHL minutes.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think what we're seeing is that Bednar is very limited in the type of player who is successful in his system. Other coaches can utilise players like Tatar to their maximum, but Bednar some how makes certain players worse.

Tatar hasnt done squat after his stint with the Avs.

 

[Balthazar]

Tatar hasnt done squat after his stint with the Avs.

He's washed up

 

[S E P H]

I tend to ageee with SEPH on this one. If a player can't play to Bednar's exact, preferred style of hockey they won't succeed here.

We have also seen the reverse of that where a player thrives in Bednar's system but doesn't look all too great after leaving the Avs.

I think you could get legit use out of the Steinburg's, Prischepov's, Tynan's, and AHLer Phillips and Megna's of the world but you can't expect them to be EXACTLY like the 3rd/4th lines you would have if the team was healthy. He doesn't like playing them, though, so we don't get to see.

F*** Chris Wagner, though. That guy should never see NHL minutes.

Yeah. that's a good point! Like, how Tynan has been an offensive player his entire life in any league he's been in, yet Bednar doesn't play him as such in the NHL. He gave him his 4th line grinder role last game and he's as scary as Aaron Palushaj on a forecheque. It's ridiculous not to give him a benefit of the doubt and allow him to at least get top 6 shifts not because he's amazingly talented, but because his skill set is more along the lines of those types of players.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yeah. that's a good point! Like, how Tynan has been an offensive player his entire life in any league he's been in, yet Bednar doesn't play him as such in the NHL. He gave him his 4th line grinder role last game and he's as scary as Aaron Palushaj on a forecheque. It's ridiculous not to give him a benefit of the doubt and allow him to at least get top 6 shifts not because he's amazingly talented, but because his skill set is more along the lines of those types of players.

It makes no sense to me. Kiviranta, as good as he's been to start the season, is as 4th line as it gets. He is not a fit on the top line. So why not play Tynan there or call up Philips who is clearly an offensive oriented player?