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Been focusing on Thompson more when watching games. My impressions, don't think anything new here that other posters haven't commented on:
  • Above-average shot: Quick release, accuracy, & velocity. Probably his best attribute by far, and the one which would make up for deficiencies which aren't addressed through natural progress and improvement.
  • Slow skating acceleration. Painfully slow acceleration. Long legs apparently don't generate a lot of power or speed, especially from a standing or gliding start. Typical peak speed doesn't seem to be slower or faster than the average player, but when you accelerate slowly, you'll find yourself a step behind, even if you're keeping up.
  • Pulls puck tight to body / skates vs. using a wider spread stance to shield opponent from puck. It's not just on the toe-drag plays; he does it when not rushing the puck.
  • Uses his size sometimes, most often doesn't or even avoids using his size.
  • Doesn't always know where he's going on the ice / how to mesh with linemates when they have the puck in terms of moving into traffic (shield goalie, tie-up defenders) vs. moving to open space to draw defenders or potentially receive return pass, etc.
  • For a "lanky guy", I haven't gauged his style. Is he more an Andreychuk-in-the-crease player vs. a Zubrus / Anisimov half-wall and below over the full d-zone player. I'm not trying to make player comparisons. Someone threw out John LeClair and I don't see Thompson as playing a LeClair style. He has a way better shot than Andreychuk, but doesn't move with the puck anywhere near as effectively as Zubrus / Anisimov, and isn't as dynamic / dangerous as LeClair (yet).
Assuming the above is a truthful assessment,
Seems like a list of "normal" observations about someone
who just turned 21 and hasn't played the equivalent of a full season's worth of NHL games yet.

Still don't understand the front office insistence with starting him in BUF vs. ROC, but no point in debating the past. I believe his recent good fortune results more from luck than the conscious efforts and benefit of "video learning".

[I am reminded of Robert S. McNamara's idea to use the nascent technology of "video tape instruction" to prepare below-minimum-standard IQ inductees to be adequate Vietnam War GIs. The term "McNamara's morons" was assigned to that folly because their mortality rate was tragically 3x that of fully-qualified-standard GI inductees.]

Good analysis. I think a lot of this is spot on. I do think you underestimate his shot. He also has room to add 25 pounds real easy. Once he becomes that big, he'll be able to shield the puck a lot better.

I also think he's a left wing. He's looked a ton better coming from his off wing.
 
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I believe his recent good fortune results more from luck than the conscious efforts and benefit of "video learning".
I don't agree that he's just been lucky. I think there's been substantial improvement in your 5th bullet point compared to the start of the season, leading him to play with more confidence and allowing him to be in position to use his shot more often (or at all) leading to goals. That is not to say I think he's completely good now, more of a statement on just how lost he looked for the first dozen or so games of the season he played. Before the penguins game I had no idea the kid even had that shot. I can't recall him even attempting a shot before that point in the season. The game before he started scoring I noted in a GBU that it looked like he was starting to have some better shifts. The Tage Thompson of the past 9 games has looked like a substantially different player than the one we got at the start of the season; not "the same only luckier".
 
Good analysis. I think a lot of this is spot on. I do think you underestimate his shot. He also has room to add 25 pounds real easy. Once he becomes that big, he'll be able to shield the puck a lot better.

I also think he's a left wing. He's looked a ton better coming from his off wing.
Fully agree with all points. I'm not praising his shot enough - it's clearly very good, not just someone his age, but relative to far more seasoned peers. Muscle will help him tremendously, and I also see him as a far more effective LW, long term.
 
Good analysis. I think a lot of this is spot on. I do think you underestimate his shot. He also has room to add 25 pounds real easy. Once he becomes that big, he'll be able to shield the puck a lot better.

I also think he's a left wing. He's looked a ton better coming from his off wing.
Why would you want him to add 25lbs. He is a good skater at his size. Having him at 230 will just hurt his skating. You say it like add 25lbs and magically his skill at shielding pucks improves. Sorry but that is nonsense.
 
Why would you want him to add 25lbs. He is a good skater at his size. Having him at 230 will just hurt his skating. You say it like add 25lbs and magically his skill at shielding pucks improves. Sorry but that is nonsense.

Gone are the days where a player needs to be big and thick. I bet Dahlin is 205 at his max weight in the NHL, you needs to be strong and lean.
 
Why would you want him to add 25lbs. He is a good skater at his size. Having him at 230 will just hurt his skating. You say it like add 25lbs and magically his skill at shielding pucks improves. Sorry but that is nonsense.

Watch Crosby shield the puck. It's technically perfect. All done with lower body strength, body lean, and use of legs to shield. Can't be a twig to do that.

It's not just weight for weight. It's power to shield the puck.

Gone are the days where a player needs to be big and thick. I bet Dahlin is 205 at his max weight in the NHL, you needs to be strong and lean.

Different type of player than a LW like Thompson.
 
I was at the game tonight and I was paying close attention to him. I thought his overall game was pretty sloppy but he had a few plays that really stood oiout me. I was really surprised by his straight line speed on his first penalty. Just really explosive. Caught the guy no problem. His shot is ridiculous .He had a couple that were absolutely smoked. He still has a ways to go whenever he changes direction .
 
Why would you want him to add 25lbs. He is a good skater at his size. Having him at 230 will just hurt his skating. You say it like add 25lbs and magically his skill at shielding pucks improves. Sorry but that is nonsense.

It’s a relative thing. At 6’1” ya 195 to 215 is a reasonable weight depending how he carries it.

At 6’6”, he will get broken playing at 200 flat. He needs to fill out like most players his age.

He just needs to do it gradually, 5 lbs by next season, 5 more after that and reassess.

Same with Dahlin, I don’t want him to stay fail thin nor go full Lindros.
 
Gone are the days where a player needs to be big and thick. I bet Dahlin is 205 at his max weight in the NHL, you needs to be strong and lean.

But Dahlin and Thompson look to be about the same level of noticeably skinny. And Dahlin weighed in at what 185 at camp, so probably playing at about 180 given the nhl schedule. So 20-25 lbs sounds about right for both guys.
 
I really liked him this weekend. He was especially excellent in the shifts leading up that line's tying goal in WAS, and was buzzing again vs Anaheim the other night. I'm most impressed by his hockey iq, its the main reason I think he has a shot to be a legitimate contributor down the road.
 
I really liked him this weekend. He was especially excellent in the shifts leading up that line's tying goal in WAS, and was buzzing again vs Anaheim the other night. I'm most impressed by his hockey iq, its the main reason I think he has a shot to be a legitimate contributor down the road.

I think he could fit perfect with Jack if they decide to balance things out a bit in the future.

In a year or so I could see Tage just being Laine lite for Eichel. A shooter as soon as he enters the ozone.

Particularly if he learns to just start shooting a little quicker or adds some polish to his moves. The amount of space Jack could give him to shoot the way he can from range would be sick.
 
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This is the relevant part of the article for me, as far as how the front office viewed his place on the team...

Remember, Thompson was a healthy scratch for seven out of nine games from Oct. 20 through Nov. 8. Rather than sending him to Rochester, the Sabres opted to have Thompson learn by watching video and working with the coaching staff before and after practice. His shot is one reason why he stayed.

"His physical tools are great. He's a big kid with NHL skating skills, size and shot," General Manager Jason Botterill told The Buffalo News recently. "He needs to get stronger but we felt we had the traits that we could work with at the NHL level. There's no manual that says "this is how we will go about this" for every player. To me, we're not sitting here saying that we're experts in development. There's give and take, discussion all the time with our coaches, the player."

...Interesting and a little refreshing in a way to see Botterill say there's no one certain way to develop players, and that they aren't "experts" at development.
 
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This is the relevant part of the article for me, as far as how the front office viewed his place on the team...

Remember, Thompson was a healthy scratch for seven out of nine games from Oct. 20 through Nov. 8. Rather than sending him to Rochester, the Sabres opted to have Thompson learn by watching video and working with the coaching staff before and after practice. His shot is one reason why he stayed.

"His physical tools are great. He's a big kid with NHL skating skills, size and shot," General Manager Jason Botterill told The Buffalo News recently. "He needs to get stronger but we felt we had the traits that we could work with at the NHL level. There's no manual that says "this is how we will go about this" for every player. To me, we're not sitting here saying that we're experts in development. There's give and take, discussion all the time with our coaches, the player."

...Interesting and a little refreshing in a way to see Botterill say there's no one certain way to develop players, and that they aren't "experts" at development.

That’s actually a little concerning unless we just like the modesty.

They get paid a ton of money to be an expert at this job.

It’d be like a CEO at a Fortune 500 company saying we aren’t experts, we just like to talk about stuff and see how it goes.

I mean, I’m all for experimenting, but let’s not snow us with #humblebrags
 
That’s actually a little concerning unless we just like the modesty.

They get paid a ton of money to be an expert at this job.

It’d be like a CEO at a Fortune 500 company saying we aren’t experts, we just like to talk about stuff and see how it goes.

I mean, I’m all for experimenting, but let’s not snow us with #humblebrags

Of course it's concerning to you...as if GMs and coaching staffs are supposed to know exactly what will develop a player (especially a new player to the club) in the shortest time frame, ahead of time, as if it's not a process.
 
That’s actually a little concerning unless we just like the modesty.

They get paid a ton of money to be an expert at this job.

It’d be like a CEO at a Fortune 500 company saying we aren’t experts, we just like to talk about stuff and see how it goes.

I mean, I’m all for experimenting, but let’s not snow us with #humblebrags

If you are concerned over that then I don’t think you are understanding what they are saying.
 
I really like Thompson long term.The kid is only 21 and does not even have 82 games under his belt. He is already capable of playing in the lineup nightly on a playoff team. Give him another off year to train and he will eventually be a consistent 15-20 goal scorer in the middle 6. If he can put up 20 goals a season playing away from Eichel that would be fantastic.

I feel bad for the kid. Until we end up using that STL 1st he is unfairly going to be the target of vitriol being the main piece brought back for RoR.
 
Of course it's concerning to you...as if GMs and coaching staffs are supposed to know exactly what will develop a player (especially a new player to the club) in the shortest time frame, ahead of time, as if it's not a process.
If you are concerned over that then I don’t think you are understanding what they are saying.

Settle down boys. I’m not concerned that they want to take a thoughtful look at things or that it’s a “process”.

I was commenting on the part referring to them not being experts. Perhaps my post didn’t bold the word as to indicate such.

I just want my management, like my coaches and players, to believe they are an expert at what they do.
 
I really like Thompson long term.The kid is only 21 and does not even have 82 games under his belt. He is already capable of playing in the lineup nightly on a playoff team. Give him another off year to train and he will eventually be a consistent 15-20 goal scorer in the middle 6. If he can put up 20 goals a season playing away from Eichel that would be fantastic.

I feel bad for the kid. Until we end up using that STL 1st he is unfairly going to be the target of vitriol being the main piece brought back for RoR.
The team is where it is despite Tage's play this current season.

I'm not worried about him long-term at all, but on balance he's done far more harm for the team than good, and I couldn't fathom an argument otherwise. If any NHL player in the league is a bad player, then Tage is a bad player. Right now.

And so the bolded is a bit disingenuous.
 
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The team is where it is despite Tage's play this current season.

I'm not worried about him long-term at all, but on balance he's done far more harm for the team than good, and I couldn't fathom an argument otherwise. If any NHL player in the league is a bad player, then Tage is a bad player. Right now.

And so the bolded is a bit disingenuous.

Just a bit. As well as the faux victim complex for Tage’s persecution. I think like 2 people in total think he won’t be good eventually. Just not today.

Proven to be ready for a playoff team.., you kill me Layne!!
 
The team is where it is despite Tage's play this current season.

I'm not worried about him long-term at all, but on balance he's done far more harm for the team than good, and I couldn't fathom an argument otherwise. If any NHL player in the league is a bad player, then Tage is a bad player. Right now.

And so the bolded is a bit disingenuous.
That's fair but he has done a good job using his reach to create turnovers and certainly unloads every chance he gets. He also has exceptional hands and makes room for himself. Not bad on the wall. He has taken big strides. Tage isn't THAT bad.
Would like to see him dish more but I have no problem with him firing away. Still a little lost in the D zone.
 
I actually wondered what it might be like to put him on the line with Skinner and Eichel,,,See if Eichel can feed him to unload that big shot of his...Only thing is, can Tage keep up with the speed of Eichel and Skinner ? Would he just be way too slow ?
 
Those who say he shouldn't gain weight are not right here.

He needs to get stronger. That would mean more muscle weight. Probably mostly his legs. It's going to help him not hurt him.

I don't care how the game is changing.
 
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