Prospect Info: Syracuse Crunch, Orlando Solar Bears & Prospects

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Eamon Powell will use his extra year of eligibility to play a 5th season for BC in 2024-25.

While Powell remains in college, it puts off his signing deadline for another year.

 

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Him going to junior for a year only means he needs 3 years of NCAA before being UFA eligible (4 years removed from the draft). Very possible he may want to pick where he wants to play.
I may have this wrong but my understanding is that players drafted that go into the NCAA don't have their rights held for a certain timeframe before their rights are lost like players who play in leagues that have NHL-transfer agreements do. NCAA players must complete their program to become UFA eligible. 4 years is just the typical time for an NCAA program.
 

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OSB narrowly knocked SC out of the final playoff spot. The Stingrays have now fired their coach.


"Missing the Kelly Cup Playoffs in 2022 and 2024 and losing last year in the first round is not the standard and expectation for our organization, and we need to get back to playing meaningful hockey in May and June."
but that's their standard.

SC has the rookie of the year, Austin Magera. Doesn't matter.

The 21-22 season is almost unfair. Kotyk started the season as assistant coach, and only had the last 18 games of the season in the big chair. They went 10-8-0, and missed. There was still time to have turned their season around, which is why it was done with nearly 20 games left.
 
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TheDaysOf 04

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Crunch lose Game 1 of the playoffs 3-2 to the Amerks

- Joel Bouchard starts Brandon Halverson over Hugo says a lot about Alnefelt's play the past few weeks
- Dylan Duke, in what is technically his 4th professional game, scores his first AHL goal





Ethan Gauthier assists on the game winner for Drummondville as they start the 3rd round vs Victoriaville

Gauthier has 10 goals, 19 points in 11 playoff games

 
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Felonious Python

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OSB played last night with a 9 pm start. I don't think the ice was especially good, given that an NBA game had just been played a few hours before.

The Kia Center staff got the place converted in under three hours. They didn't have enough time to convert all the seating, but they got the essentials done.


It was a Saturday night, but I was still sort of surprised by the number of kids in attendance.
 

TheDaysOf 04

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Crunch win Game 2 in OT

- 1 assist on Day's goal in the 3rd for the lead and the the OT winner for Fortier
- Duke has a point in each playoff game





Shaugabay's season ends as Green Bay falls to Muskegon in the playoffs.

He finishes with 4 goals, 6 points, in 8 playoff games, including this game winner.

 

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A potential series clincer in Greenville tonight.


Spencer Kersten should probably get a Syracuse camp invite, just to see what they've got.
 

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I may have this wrong but my understanding is that players drafted that go into the NCAA don't have their rights held for a certain timeframe before their rights are lost like players who play in leagues that have NHL-transfer agreements do. NCAA players must complete their program to become UFA eligible. 4 years is just the typical time for an NCAA program.
Nope. if you're an NCAA route player, all you have to do is wait 4 years from draft and then become a free agent that August. Ex: Shaugabay drafted in 2023, UFA eligible in August 2027
 

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Nope. if you're an NCAA route player, all you have to do is wait 4 years from draft and then become a free agent that August. Ex: Shaugabay drafted in 2023, UFA eligible in August 2027
CapFriendly has his rights as expiring August 2028.
 
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CapFriendly has his rights as expiring August 2028.
CapFriendly is wrong. Based on when he starts his NCAA career, Tampa COULD have his rights through August 2028, but the CBA states for NCAA route players, they can become UFAs 4 years following being drafted.

Example: Justin Schultz: Anaheim Ducks 2nd rounder in 2008, 1 more year of junior in the BCHL, 3 years of NCAA at Wisconsin, elects to become UFA in 2012, signs with Edmonton Oilers. That's 4 years following being drafted despite just 3 years in the NCAA
 

Felonious Python

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CapFriendly is wrong. Based on when he starts his NCAA career, Tampa COULD have his rights through August 2028, but the CBA states for NCAA route players, they can become UFAs 4 years following being drafted.

Example: Justin Schultz: Anaheim Ducks 2nd rounder in 2008, 1 more year of junior in the BCHL, 3 years of NCAA at Wisconsin, elects to become UFA in 2012, signs with Edmonton Oilers. That's 4 years following being drafted despite just 3 years in the NCAA
I'm pretty sure it's tied to finishing school. Ty Taylor was a guy we had the indefinite rights to, and he left UNH after three years to play in USports.

2012 might have been under an old CBA.
 

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I'm pretty sure it's tied to finishing school. Ty Taylor was a guy we had the indefinite rights to, and he left UNH after three years to play in USports.

2012 might have been under an old CBA.
It's not though. Jackson Blake was UFA eligible in 2025 despite that only being after his junior year at UND, thus why Carolina pressed to sign him following his sophomore season. Blake spent his D+1 in junior, then 2 years of NCAA, and all he had to do was withdraw from UND and run out the clock to August 2025 to become a UFA. Those are the rules.

Ty Taylor is a unique case (but doesn't matter cause he isn't good)
 

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Nope. if you're an NCAA route player, all you have to do is wait 4 years from draft and then become a free agent that August. Ex: Shaugabay drafted in 2023, UFA eligible in August 2027
I'm still trying to work out the legalese the CBA is written in but I think the 4 years you're referring to only applies to players who were drafted as teens and drop-out after January 1st of their 4th year?


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ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6

(c) College Players.
(i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and
remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college
class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for
his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation
of his college class
. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such
Player to retain such rights.
(ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does
not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his
college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the
negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following
his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central
Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college
student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student
on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his
fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA
eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the
circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive
right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the
August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college
student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to
retain such rights.
(iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of
his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of
negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following
the graduation of his college class.
(iv) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the
graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive
rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth
June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days
after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a
bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona
fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the
Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth
year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is
scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in
the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the
exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a
bona fide college student.
(v) If a Player drafted at age 20 or older is a bona fide college student at the
time of his selection or becomes a bona fide college student while his
drafting Club retains exclusive rights, then his drafting Club shall retain
those rights until the later of: (a) the second June 1 following the date of
his selection, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives
notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided
that if the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced
his fourth year of NCAA eligibility and the Player ceases to be a bona fide
college student on or after January 1 of an academic year, or (2) is in his
fourth year of college, is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of
his fourth year and the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on
or after January 1 of an academic year, or (3) remains a bona fide college
student through the graduation of his college class, then in the
circumstances described in (1) or (2) or (3), the Club shall retain the
exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including August 15 of that calendar year.


For purposes of the above provisions, the term "graduation of his college
class" shall mean the class with which the Player is scheduled to graduate
during his final semester of attendance (as opposed to his matriculating
class (the class with which he is expected to graduate as of the date of his
original enrollment)). For purposes of clarity, a Player's graduating class
may change during his tenure in college.
Furthermore, a Player shall be deemed to be scheduled to graduate from
college if, at the conclusion of his fourth year of college he would have
been within five percent (5%) of the minimum number of credits required
to graduate, provided, such determination shall be made assuming that in
such fourth year of college Player earned at least the number of credits
equal to the average number of credits for which he had been enrolled
during his first three years of college. It shall be the Player's responsibility
to promptly provide evidence (i.e., official school transcripts and
requirements) that he was or was not scheduled to graduate. Absent
evidence to the contrary, NHL Central Registry shall treat a Player as if he
was scheduled to graduate or remained a bona fide college student through
the graduation of his college class. Furthermore, a Player who is removed
from his Club's Reserve List as a result of the operation of the above
provisions shall be a draft-related Unrestricted Free Agent effective upon
such removal.
Any Club that retains the exclusive rights to a Player who is a bona fide
college student may request, at any time, that such Player promptly
provide a current official school transcript and the school's graduation
requirements.
As a general matter, the above provisions were not intended to cut off, and
shall not have the effect of cutting off, a Club's exclusive negotiating
rights during the period that a Player remains in college.
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Felonious Python

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I'm still trying to work out the legalese the CBA is written in but I think the 4 years you're referring to only applies to players who were drafted as teens and drop-out after January 1st of their 4th year?


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ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6

(c) College Players.
(i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and
remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college
class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for
his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation
of his college class
. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such
Player to retain such rights.
(ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time
of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student
prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does
not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his
college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the
negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following
his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central
Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college
student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student
on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his
fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA
eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the
circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive
right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the
August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college
student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to
retain such rights.
(iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of
his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of
negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following
the graduation of his college class.
(iv) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in
accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college
student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry
Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the
graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive
rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth
June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days
after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a
bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona
fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the
Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth
year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is
scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in
the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the
exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a
bona fide college student.
(v) If a Player drafted at age 20 or older is a bona fide college student at the
time of his selection or becomes a bona fide college student while his
drafting Club retains exclusive rights, then his drafting Club shall retain
those rights until the later of: (a) the second June 1 following the date of
his selection, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives
notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided
that if the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced
his fourth year of NCAA eligibility and the Player ceases to be a bona fide
college student on or after January 1 of an academic year, or (2) is in his
fourth year of college, is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of
his fourth year and the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on
or after January 1 of an academic year, or (3) remains a bona fide college
student through the graduation of his college class, then in the
circumstances described in (1) or (2) or (3), the Club shall retain the
exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and
including August 15 of that calendar year.


For purposes of the above provisions, the term "graduation of his college
class" shall mean the class with which the Player is scheduled to graduate
during his final semester of attendance (as opposed to his matriculating
class (the class with which he is expected to graduate as of the date of his
original enrollment)). For purposes of clarity, a Player's graduating class
may change during his tenure in college.
Furthermore, a Player shall be deemed to be scheduled to graduate from
college if, at the conclusion of his fourth year of college he would have
been within five percent (5%) of the minimum number of credits required
to graduate, provided, such determination shall be made assuming that in
such fourth year of college Player earned at least the number of credits
equal to the average number of credits for which he had been enrolled
during his first three years of college. It shall be the Player's responsibility
to promptly provide evidence (i.e., official school transcripts and
requirements) that he was or was not scheduled to graduate. Absent
evidence to the contrary, NHL Central Registry shall treat a Player as if he
was scheduled to graduate or remained a bona fide college student through
the graduation of his college class. Furthermore, a Player who is removed
from his Club's Reserve List as a result of the operation of the above
provisions shall be a draft-related Unrestricted Free Agent effective upon
such removal.
Any Club that retains the exclusive rights to a Player who is a bona fide
college student may request, at any time, that such Player promptly
provide a current official school transcript and the school's graduation
requirements.
As a general matter, the above provisions were not intended to cut off, and
shall not have the effect of cutting off, a Club's exclusive negotiating
rights during the period that a Player remains in college.
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My head hurts
I forced ChatGPT to simplify this.

  1. Age and College Status: If a player is 18 or 19 when drafted and is a college student or becomes one soon after being drafted, the team that drafted them can negotiate exclusively with them until after they graduate. The team doesn't have to offer them a contract right away.
  2. Remaining a College Student: If a player drafted at 18 or 19 as a college student later stops being a college student, the drafting team can still negotiate with them for a longer time (up to four years from being drafted) or until 30 days after the league knows they're not a student anymore.
  3. Changes in College Status: If a player was given an offer but then becomes a college student later, the team can still keep negotiating rights until the player graduates.
  4. Older College Students: If a player is 20 or older when drafted and then becomes a college student, the drafting team has similar rights to negotiate with them until a certain period, even if the player stops being a student.
  5. Special Cases for Graduating Seniors: If a player is in their fourth year of college and stops being a student after January 1st, the drafting team can keep negotiating rights until August 15th of that year.
  6. Scheduled Graduation: The rules consider a player to be scheduled to graduate if they're close to meeting their college's requirements by the end of their fourth year.
  7. Responsibility for Proof: Players need to show evidence if they're graduating or not, and if they don't, the league assumes they are still students.
  8. Rights During College: These rules don't mean teams lose rights while a player is still in college. They can negotiate until the player graduates.
 

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