Swayman Vs The Bruins

[Danarqhy]

If Neely is this thin-skinned to not realize not prostrating yourself in front of management is all part of negotiations, maybe the B's might need to find new management.

Every day he just comes off like a bigger whiner.

You might have a point except it's the Swayman camp that's been leaking stuff to the media since the get go with Gross doing the negotiating through the Spittin Chiclets podcast. It's also Swayman himself that hasn't proven he's worth elite #1 salary as he's never played a full season as a starter. It's also Swayman who's always crying to the media every other day about how he's been slighted while being the one who elected for the arbitration process in the first place!

If Swayman had a case for $8.5M++ as being a good contract, he would have been traded or offer sheeted already... he hasn't and likely won't be, because he holds very little value and too much risk at the outrageous salary he's demanding. Neely and Sweeney fired back because they had enough.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Still remarkable that they thought it was a good idea to deal Ullmark without being anywhere near close to signing Swayman.

 

[gstommylee]

I hope Swayman gets 10M OR the Bruins trade him and can't find another starting goalie for a decade while Sway goes on to become a top 3 goalie in the league winning multiple cups and throwing shade at the Bruins

He's not worth 10m...

 

[JianYang]

Seems to me swayman wants to be paid like a workhorse, but he hasn't had the opportunity to be one. What is the most starts he's ever had?

A solution might be to sign a short term deal and see how he does with a larger load, but maybe that isn't part of the bruins belief system right now to have a guy pick up the lions share of burden in net.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

At this point it looks like a short term bridge or trade is the only way forward. Shame, because it seems like Swayman really has no end goal and doesn’t care about the team at all. He just wants his bag at all costs. Seeing how Bruins have handled these situations in the past, even if a contract is signed, the long term damage is done after this tweet.

It’s a somewhat unique dynamic because it’s almost a 3 way negotiation. You have Swayman, the Bruins, and then the “fraternity of goalies” that Swayman sees himself as representing. So in a way Swayman believes he has two sets of “teammates” to consider in these negotiations.

IIRC this is exactly what Jesus was talking about when he said “no man can serve two masters”

If Swayman views this as some kind of righteous and principled stance, then it seems unlikely to end anytime soon.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Seems to me swayman wants to be paid like a workhorse, but he hasn't had the opportunity to be one. What is the most starts he's ever had?

A solution might be to sign a short term deal and see how he does with a larger load, but maybe that isn't part of the bruins belief system right now to have a guy pick up the lions share of burden in net.

His career high in games was this past season at 44.

 

[shelbysdad]

Knowing Jeremy Jacobs... are we really shocked?

Why because the Bruins don't spend to the cap every year?

Wrong

 

[JKG33]

Also, Swayman is still holding a grudge from his arbitration hearing. Saying he used it as motivation. That’s great to use as motivation but arbitration is part of the sport, you can’t be that sensitive. If you’re holding grudges then just request a trade.

This is the definition of f*** around and find out. The teams f*** around by tearing down their players trying just to get a discount on the contracts. Now they're finding out after the player outperformed that contract and isn't about to sign a team friendly deal. Good on Swayman

 

[FMichael]

Looking at his playoffs and career stats, he should be thankful to his teammates to have 8x8 because half of it is thanks to Ullmark and his teammates. Bro is not a top goalie in the league.

I would trade trade him , really toxic to keep around

I don't know if many rival GMs would want Swayman at this point in time, or have to move the assets to acquire him...Best deal for both sides might be a 2, or 3 year bridge.

 

[SI90]

This is one of those things that fans just repeat over and over wanting it to be true, but it really isn’t. How an organization conducts itself in any negotiation is it’s own choice, and to assume that certain ways won’t have mid- or long-term consequences is naive and, as far as the executives are concerned, being bad at your job.

Thats fair but what do you think arbitration is? It’s 2 sides arguing their case on a players value. Teams want a lower price so will have to point to examples of why they’re not willing to pay as high. It’s natural and happens in every arbitration case.

Now, if a team is calling a guy a scrub or a bum I could see your point but that’s not normally what happens. You go into it knowing what the process entails.

This is the definition of f*** around and find out. The teams f*** around by tearing down their players trying just to get a discount on the contracts. Now they're finding out after the player outperformed that contract and isn't about to sign a team friendly deal. Good on Swayman

8X8 or even 8X7 isn’t team friendly. I’d even argue with Swaymans lack of track record or short history that it’s more than a fair offer.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I would believe any GM over any agent. Agents are carbon copies of your typical car salesman.

I find them equally hard to believe.

 

[BostonBob]

Still remarkable that they thought it was a good idea to deal Ullmark without being anywhere near close to signing Swayman.

Holy crap - how many times does it need repeating here that the Bruins needed to deal Ullmark before July 1st.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1834742522339299499

 

[JKG33]

8X8 or even 8X7 isn’t team friendly. I’d even argue with Swaymans lack of track record or short history that it’s more than a fair offer.

The Bruins tore him down to get every penny they could, now he's returning the favor.

This isn't like say Matthews and Marner where the team bent over backwards to give them the bag before they ever earned it.

 

[danpantz]

This is the definition of f*** around and find out. The teams f*** around by tearing down their players trying just to get a discount on the contracts. Now they're finding out after the player outperformed that contract and isn't about to sign a team friendly deal. Good on Swayman

Swayman is the one who filed for Arbitration by the way

 

[Vegan Knight]

Something that has been lost in all of this is that the Bruins already have a bad history with Lewis Gross as he was Torey Krugs agent when the Bs pulled their offer to him off the table right before free agency. While Swayman is probably still a bit jaded from the arb. hearing but something tells me that its Gross holding a grudge more than Swayman is.

That's probably just what you want to believe because Gross has never had any good games in a Bruins uniform while Swayman has.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Boston being smart . You don’t pay your goalie more than league minimum.

 

[JKG33]

Swayman is the one who filed for Arbitration by the way

...because the team wouldn't pay what he's worth

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Holy crap - how many times does it need repeating here that the Bruins needed to deal Ullmark before July 1st.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1834742522339299499

Oh wow. So they may not have gotten a 1st round pick out of him.

... Sounds infinitely better than getting a 1st round pick but losing both your NHL goalies.

 

[danpantz]

...because the team wouldn't pay what he's worth

An independent arbitrator decided what he was worth based on stats, length of service and contributions to the team.

That’s how arbitration works.

 

[Voight]

Holy crap - how many times does it need repeating here that the Bruins needed to deal Ullmark before July 1st.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1834742522339299499

Right but they had plenty of time before then to sign Swayman...

 

[Nothingbutglass]

This is the definition of f*** around and find out. The teams f*** around by tearing down their players trying just to get a discount on the contracts. Now they're finding out after the player outperformed that contract and isn't about to sign a team friendly deal. Good on Swayman

He sure showed them. Now he can sit on his couch and not get paid.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Taking what's said in an arbitration hearing personally is wild.

It's the team's job to get as good of a deal as possible for the team, just like it's your agent's job to talk you up as best they can to get you as good of a deal as possible.

... And he's the one who elected for arbitration.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Right but they had plenty of time before then to sign Swayman...

You are missing the whole Lewis Gross angle. Bruins didnt have any issues getting Pasta or McAvoy done.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The Swayman saga with BOS is interesting. You have an impasse with contract negotiations. There’s been rumors from both sides of reported offers. Cam Neely, somewhat surprising for an executive said in a press conference a snide remark “ I know there’s 64 million reasons I’d be in camp now”

Now you have reports from Swaymans agent that those numbers were inaccurate.
Also, Swayman is still holding a grudge from his arbitration hearing. Saying he used it as motivation. That’s great to use as motivation but arbitration is part of the sport, you can’t be that sensitive. If you’re holding grudges then just request a trade. This whole saga is interesting.

How does this end?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841831916317675607

you gotta be careful in arbitration one side is trying to get what they deserve and the other (the team) is saying everything you wouldnt want to hear, alot of reasons why you dont deserve to be paid can be very disrespectful. arbitration can get messy and this is a prime example of it, sometimes it just makes more sense to pay up that extra 500k or 1m and keep the relationship good.

 

[BostonBob]

Oh wow. So they may not have gotten a 1st round pick out of him.

... Sounds infinitely better than getting a 1st round pick but losing both your NHL goalies.

Yes - it's too bad Boston couldn't have looked into the future and seen these contract issues coming up with Swayman. Dammit Sweeney - buy a freaking crystal ball and save yourself all these headaches.

Right but they had plenty of time before then to sign Swayman...

You don't think they were trying to sign him before trading away Ullmark ????