Svechnikov - Aho - Jarvis

[kp61c]

the lack of points from svech is baffling. he always stands out in a good way and plays a physical game, also he is the best play driver out of these 3. there will be a lot of suitors if they decide to get rid of him.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

the lack of points from svech is baffling. he always stands out in a good way and plays a physical game, also he is the best play driver out of these 3. there will be a lot of suitors if they decide to get rid of him.

I don’t think the Canes are looking to get rid of him at all. He had a really good reg season after an ice cold start and he’s the only guy with actual size in the top 6. As long as Canes are winning and he is driving play then we’re good

 

[Roland of Gilead]

Its funny, that ppl are blaming Aho.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Its funny, that ppl are blaming Aho.

yea i mean his stick company is to blame not him never him.

 

[PaulD]

5 years ago. Also Bedard should've been on team canada before Jarvis. Total nonsense

Schieflie

 

[Mulletman]

Its funny, that ppl are blaming Aho.

Yeah, he'll get most of the blame for sure for this loss. Even if he just became only the 5th player in NHL history to have 8 straight playoff runs with 10 points or more...

 

[kanucks25]

Aho has to have some sort of debilitating injury because he's been awful.

So soft and timid all over the ice, seems like all he wants to do is stay out of the play as much as he can until it's time for a quick line change.

The difference between his "efforts" and Staal's is jarring.

Svechnikov isn't that far behind. Crazy that people are defending these performances.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Jarvis is definitely playing through injury. He’s been banged up with shoulder and an undisclosed LBI for a while now and reportedly put off surgery to play in the Olympics (if that’s true, it’s a mistake from the team to allow that IMO). But yeah he’s been awful, probably the Canes’ worst forward all playoffs.

Aho is probably playing through injury too, his play has just been so uncharacteristic. He’s been one of the best playoff performers league wide until this year and just looks so uncharacteristically bad offensively and in general. He’s still been overall ok with decent defense but you definitely want way more from your 1C. Really curious to see what they say after the series is over. Could easily see a serious injury revealed. And if not that timing if poor play sucks but still not much of a concern considering his overall track record.

Svech by the eye test hasn’t been nearly as bad as those two, he’s been dragged down by them IMO. He still has some dangerous plays, has kept the penalties down and has shown physicality and solid back checking/D. Points aren’t coming because of the other two struggling. Moving Martinook up to Aho/Svech line wasn’t ever going to get them going…

2-3 games left for them to somewhat change the narrative. Here’s hoping

 

[Kuz]

Whats interesting is the top line on Vegas Barbashev-Eichel-Stone have actually been less productive with only 6 points in total in 10 games vs 8 for Carolinas top line. In general neither Vegas or Carolina is getting much from their top line right now. Still none of them Are being dominated and have horrible +/- stats. Also Dorofeyev 0 points in the final after having 14 points in 16 games in the rounds before.

 

[kanucks25]

Whats interesting is the top line on Vegas Barbashev-Eichel-Stone have actually been less productive with only 6 points in total in 10 games vs 8 for Carolinas top line. In general neither Vegas or Carolina is getting much from their top line right now. Still none of them Are being dominated and have horrible +/- stats. Also Dorofeyev 0 points in the final after having 14 points in 16 games in the rounds before.

Many of the Aho line's points in this series have been phantom second assists and Eichel is PPG overall in the playoffs whereas Aho is not close. If he was better in previous series he would have more leeway.

Two things can be true: Aho has generally been good in the playoffs in the past but has not been so this time around and will be the main reason the Canes lose (if they do so, I still have them as the favorite despite them looking sloppier than we're used to).

I think there are some people that think Aho doesn't get enough recognition league wide but it's kind of working in his favor now because a bigger name would be getting a lot more heat.

 

[LightningStrikes]

All three are terrific leaders who let their younger peers and old man Staal (in what might be his last run) enjoy the spotlight in a SCF. A dream come true for every hockey player. The level of selflessness and heart this takes gets absurdly underrated in this thread. This is how you build a dynasty. Chapeau to the trio!

 

[OysterForever]

Jarvis has beem so bad i've been thinking he must be a beer leaguer in disguise

 

[Kuz]

Theyre also in general taking the hardest matchups on the Canes and doing okay in total. Producing to little, but also not letting the opponent produce much. Still as the top line you want to outproduce the other teams top line which Carolina havent really done all playoffs, but they rely on a very solid lineup that is deep and both the second and third line are putting up points. Still they face another team that are deep so its back and forward and lots of goals as both teams have questionable goaltending.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Jarvis won Game 2 in OT and after he missed the Grade A out front he fought off 4 Knights to get the puck to Ehlers who passed it to Staal for the Game Winning Goal last night.

So, both of Canes wins have had Jarvis contributing.

Aho has to be hurt as he has always been a good playoff performer....his wheels are off and shot power down too.

Svetch alternates between the Equator and the North Pole each game/often changing during the game.

 

[tarheelhockey]

At this point I’m convinced that Jarvis has something else going on with his hand/wrist in addition to the shoulder injury. He is visibly unable to cradle and settle the puck, which shows up in unforced bobbles and soft/wayward shots. His biggest impact is coming from just skating straight at the puck as a disruptor, trying to knock it loose for a teammate, as with the GWG last night. That’s a very different contribution than what he usually brings to the table and not a “top line winger” type of player.

 

[Ole Gil]

Jarvis is definitely playing through injury. He’s been banged up with shoulder and an undisclosed LBI for a while now and reportedly put off surgery to play in the Olympics (if that’s true, it’s a mistake from the team to allow that IMO). But yeah he’s been awful, probably the Canes’ worst forward all playoffs.

Aho is probably playing through injury too, his play has just been so uncharacteristic. He’s been one of the best playoff performers league wide until this year and just looks so uncharacteristically bad offensively and in general. He’s still been overall ok with decent defense but you definitely want way more from your 1C. Really curious to see what they say after the series is over. Could easily see a serious injury revealed. And if not that timing if poor play sucks but still not much of a concern considering his overall track record.

Svech by the eye test hasn’t been nearly as bad as those two, he’s been dragged down by them IMO. He still has some dangerous plays, has kept the penalties down and has shown physicality and solid back checking/D. Points aren’t coming because of the other two struggling. Moving Martinook up to Aho/Svech line wasn’t ever going to get them going…

2-3 games left for them to somewhat change the narrative. Here’s hoping

Svech looks like a guy playing with two guys playing with injuries. Aho and Jarvis aren't creating anything, which leaves Svech on his own trying to make things happen, which just isn't going to be successful.

 

[luiginb]

Aho has to have some sort of debilitating injury because he's been awful.

So soft and timid all over the ice, seems like all he wants to do is stay out of the play as much as he can until it's time for a quick line change.

That and the fact his vision is gone and he keeps falling on his face every couple of periods makes me think he´s dealing with the dreaded "upper body injury"

 

[NotCommitted]

Svech by the eye test hasn’t been nearly as bad as those two, he’s been dragged down by them IMO. He still has some dangerous plays, has kept the penalties down and has shown physicality and solid back checking/D. Points aren’t coming because of the other two struggling. Moving Martinook up to Aho/Svech line wasn’t ever going to get them going…

Lol the eye test is a funny thing, I've though Svechnikov has looked the worst, just so many dumb plays in the O-zone that kill the play. Also he's yet to be on ice for the Canes when they score 5v5...

Dunno what's up with Aho, but I kind of doubt it's injury unless it's something that mostly affects his shooting. I think he's been great on PK and pretty solid defensively overall.

 

[NotCommitted]

That and the fact his vision is gone and he keeps falling on his face every couple of periods makes me think he´s dealing with the dreaded "upper body injury"

Yeah the falling I've noticed, not sure about vision, seems to read the play very well defensively for the most part and he's been a joy to watch on the PK. Solid on the PP as well, though usually you'd see more highlight reel passes from him (whether pp or 5v5), though I remember a few from these playoffs which just didn't end up in the back of the net.

 

[bleedgreen]

To the OP….one more time….

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

After Rod the Bod changed the lines in game 2:

Jarvis OT goal G2 + great assist on Staal game winner G4
Svech late tying goal G3 + 2 goal game in G5
Aho pass on Hall’s goal that made the big comeback realistic in G3 + goal to give them a cushion in G5 that ended being the game winner

These guys are redeeming themselves, which is fantastic to see.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

To the OP….one more time….

BLOODWAVE IS COMING.

 

[pelderhostiga]

Aho is probably playing through injury too, his play has just been so uncharacteristic. He’s been one of the best playoff performers league wide until this year and just looks so uncharacteristically bad offensively and in general. He’s still been overall ok with decent defense but you definitely want way more from your 1C. Really curious to see what they say after the series is over. Could easily see a serious injury revealed. And if not that timing if poor play sucks but still not much of a concern considering his overall track record.

Svech by the eye test hasn’t been nearly as bad as those two, he’s been dragged down by them IMO. He still has some dangerous plays, has kept the penalties down and has shown physicality and solid back checking/D. Points aren’t coming because of the other two struggling. Moving Martinook up to Aho/Svech line wasn’t ever going to get them going…

Let's not jump to conculsions with Aho's career playoff stats being padded by the monster performance in the 2020 qualifying round. Aside from that he's always been a good playoff performer but not in the elite category.

The Svech/Aho debate is also baffling. To me, Aho's game has always been about the smarts while Svechnikov is not that smart of a player. They´re just glued together because what else are you going to do with that roster.

Still, a good thing both got going in game 5 and here's to hoping for a Canes win in the next game as well.

 

[BonMorrison]

At what point do we all agree that Aho is not a high-end 1C?

Haha look at this idiot

 

[Roland of Gilead]

After that Svechnikovs first PP goal, Aho and Svechnikov were quite good. Talking about getting monkey off your back. Jarvis needs to get his monkey off too.