Svechnikov - Aho - Jarvis

[wgknestrick]

he's very obviously a 2C on any team, and a 1C on several. What is this crazy talk

His scoring rates /60min at 5v5 and 5v4 in this playoff would tell you otherwise. It is only crazy to not have a realistic discussion about it and ignore the objective results to date.

For example, Stankoven has scored 50% more pts/60min (3.0) at 5v5 than Aho scored while on the PP (2.01pts/60min 5v4).

 

[Hockeyholic]

At what point do we all agree that Aho is not a high-end 1C?

Aho doesn't need to be. They have insane depth compared to Vegas. Hall, Blake, Stankoven, Ehlers, Slavin, Staal, Jarvis, Chatfield, etc.

Good luck stopping that roster consistently.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

Sebastian Aho feasts on garbage, not good teams.

Historically, that HASN'T been the case. This year is a real head scratcher.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

82 points into an empty net!

Did Aho kick your dog and take your lunch money?

 

[Felidae]

I don't think anyone (that knows hockey) has ever thought that in Raleigh. I'm wondering if he's even a 2C on a contending team this year. Staal has outplayed him offensively this year while getting much more challenging shifts.

Sebastian Aho is 8th in points and 12th in PPG among centers this decade.

He's been very underwhelming this postseason, but let's pump the brakes a little bit. He's still a top 10-20 C in the league.

 

[BonMorrison]

Did Aho kick your dog and take your lunch money?

Generational trauma, folks.

 

[SenzZen]

 

[Ole Gil]

I think they're both going to get one of those "his knee cap fell off in game 2 of the first round" post playoff injury reports.

It's the playoffs. People play hurt. I think this is what playing hurt looks like sometimes.

Or they forgot how to play hockey.

 

[um]

Why don't they try shaking up the lines? It's sucked since early April.

Having no first line is going to cost you the cup.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

hmmm…lost game 1 of last series too. I wonder how that turned out?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

It’s almost like past performance doesn’t equate with future success.

 

[Devils Trap]

Aho doesn't need to be. They have insane depth compared to Vegas. Hall, Blake, Stankoven, Ehlers, Slavin, Staal, Jarvis, Chatfield, etc.

Good luck stopping that roster consistently.

Vegas has Mitch Marner and William Karlsson on their 2nd line / Tomas Hertl and Mark Stone on their 3rd

Yes CAR have good depth but VGK is not the right team to compare them too lmao

 

[bleedgreen]

Why don't they try shaking up the lines? It's sucked since early April.

Having no first line is going to cost you the cup.

The second line is why we’re in the finals, can’t break that up. The third line has been great too and they don’t want to mess that up either, but if they did a change it’s there. Maybe flip a winger with Ehlers…..but the way Ehlers is playing would you really change his line?

The first line hasn’t been bad defensively and that’s what matters at this point. We scored four goals last night, we have offense.

 

[adarebad]

Where are you?

Aho is the new finnish flash...... so fast you don't even see him on the ice.

 

[um]

The second line is why we’re in the finals, can’t break that up. The third line has been great too and they don’t want to mess that up either, but if they did a change it’s there. Maybe flip a winger with Ehlers…..but the way Ehlers is playing would you really change his line?

The first line hasn’t been bad defensively and that’s what matters at this point. We scored four goals last night, we have offense.

I figured a switch between the first and third line, of course you leave the Hall line alone.

I’d switch Martinook and Jarvis. Gives you a better balance and less risky than moving Ehlers.

I strongly disagree being good defensively is what matters most for your first forward line… if the Hall line was scoring at this pace would it be a success?

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Not a Canes fan but Jarvis was useless on 4 Nations the Olympic teams. So far he has not been great these playoffs. Taylor Hall has been great though.

 

[D1az]

I don't think they will improve.
They didn't against worse and more tired teams, and now they are up against a team which effectively crushed the league's best team.

They had three series to find the missing chemistry and scoring.
It's sad if Carolina loses this, because the year they really had most pieces in place the top line turned into ghosts.

 

[MikeFolignosHelmet]

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is one of the weirdest plot twists I can recall. They have just been stunningly bad through this period of high stakes games where everyone else is stepping up to win games, and all three of them are just coasting through with next to no contribution. By all logic that should have meant they hit the golf course by now, but instead the worst they’ve faced is a couple of Game 1 losses. It’s like they suddenly became the 4th line and the rest of the team just left them behind and found success on their own.

Jarvis is at least somewhat explainable if he’s seriously hurt as is widely suspected, but even that doesn’t completely explain his inability to make very simple plays without screwing up (like bobbling the puck when he’s all by himself). It’s not like he’s lost some specific aspect of his game, he’s lost his entire game.

Svech is going through one of his usual slumps. This is him 30 games a year. Just very poorly timed. You can see him getting in on plays, but not creating anything. Eventually he’ll break back out with some multi-goal games to even out the numbers. Question is whether that happens in the next 2 weeks.

Aho… unexplainable. This stuff about him being a 2C is total nonsense, over the past several years he’s been a top 10 center and one of the most consistent performers in the league, and specifically a playoff performer. His disappearance for such a long stretch just defies all logic. I assume they’ll announce he has some sort of major injury when this is over, but he doesn’t look hobbled. It’s like he has completely lost his hockey sense, his playmaking aggression. Very weird to see a player of his caliber fight the game this hard for this long.

 

[Nicko999]

I think they're both going to get one of those "his knee cap fell off in game 2 of the first round" post playoff injury reports.

It's the playoffs. People play hurt. I think this is what playing hurt looks like sometimes.

Or they forgot how to play hockey.

Habs fans wanted to hear this in regards to Caufield and Slafkovsky but no such thing. They just flat out sucked.
Bad playoffs happen. I wouldn't put too much into a bad run. Now if it happens again next year then it's a worrying trend.

 

[Eegs]

Not a Canes fan but Jarvis was useless on 4 Nations the Olympic teams. So far he has not been great these playoffs. Taylor Hall has been great though.

Jarvis was not useless. He was barely used though.

He's not a player that usually stands out because he's got this dynamic skilllset. He's a 2-way player that uses hi IQ to get himself in positions to succeed on offense. He does everything very well, but isn't a player that wows you all the time, rather he's someone you appreciate when you see all the little things he does well.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

I'm thinking Aho is injured... he ain't doing shit.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I hate to say it, but there's a very real possibility this line loses them the cup. It's a negative storyline Vegas doesn't have.

All those years the Canes didn't have a reliable second top 6 line to produce and now that they finally do, the supposed top guys aren't doing jack. I kinda feel bad. They obviously want to produce, but it's just not working.

I don't think it's just a playoff anomaly though. I don't think I've ever seen this line "click", scoring goals after strings of great plays and manufacturing offense as a line rather than individual efforts or broken plays. Obviously I don't watch every Carolina game, so maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like Svechnikov has never really worked with Aho.

In the playoffs have they even scored a single ES goal outside of the OT goal against Montreal and empty netters?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Obviously I don't watch every Carolina game, so maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like Svechnikov has never really worked with Aho.

Svech has rarely had real chemistry with anyone. He’s one of those guys who generates offense largely on his own, and occasionally throws a big hit but not within a larger framework with purpose. You see him out there doing good things, and it feels like he should be elite.

And to his credit, he works hard and has a great attitude. He doesn’t pout, he doesn’t cheat the game too badly. He puts in the extra time to refine his skills. His worst trait is that he racks up stick penalties from being too aggressive. If he was American we’d be calling him one of those clean cut Captain America types who tries hard and sacrifices with a smile on his face.

But somehow he just doesn’t fit into a team concept. It’s hard to explain, but it’s been going on for like 9 years now so it’s become definitive of who he is as a player. What you see is what you get — he’ll take over a handful of games a year, he’ll be good in about half of them, and the rest you’ll barely even remember him being on the ice.

The only explanation I have, and it’s not kind but probably true, is that he’s just a big dumb jock who doesn’t have a mental game to speak of.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Jarvis was not useless. He was barely used though.

He's not a player that usually stands out because he's got this dynamic skilllset. He's a 2-way player that uses hi IQ to get himself in positions to succeed on offense. He does everything very well, but isn't a player that wows you all the time, rather he's someone you appreciate when you see all the little things he does well.

He wasn't used because he was not effective...